Lindau Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 OK legend should read bell-end but he does make a valid point imo!!! http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/johnhillcoat/2010/07/clubs-hold-all-aces-in-player-poker-game.html#more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 OK legend should read bell-end but he does make a valid point imo!!! http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/johnhillcoat/2010/07/clubs-hold-all-aces-in-player-poker-game.html#more They pulled a flanker big time ... The club did nothing illegal, and Hillcoat is implying the club did something that was not above board. Those let go and re-hired were at the end of their contracts, IIRC. I'm sure there's been an unwritten understanding between the manager, club and players that they would be re-hired. I also assume they've been made aware of the possibility they may not be re-hired. Many, many clubs will have done this. I wonder why Hillcoat, who is a minor character in Thistle's recent history, chose the Jags to make an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggyman Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 The club did nothing illegal, and Hillcoat is implying the club did something that was not above board. Those let go and re-hired were at the end of their contracts, IIRC. I'm sure there's been an unwritten understanding between the manager, club and players that they would be re-hired. I also assume they've been made aware of the possibility they may not be re-hired. Many, many clubs will have done this. I wonder why Hillcoat, who is a minor character in Thistle's recent history, chose the Jags to make an example. Possibly because most of the readers would know the players he mentioned rather saying Joe Bloggs of Whatever Utd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) Off hand I dont know of any club that freed a player in May that has re-signed them again for this season never mind 3 players!!. Agreed, if the players sign a contract that says their wages will stop at the last game of the season, fair enough, but he surely has a point re holiday money after being employed by a company for a "football" year Edited July 18, 2010 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I would imagine that would be thrashed out in their contracts. Even a gravy train columnist like Hillcoat should realise that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I am sure I read that the Players Union have had close look at the Thistle senario and we seem to be the club that has started this ball rolling in this country. Again, just my opinion, but yet another own goal by the board. Hardly gonna entice a half decent player to the club. But of course we dont have money for that anyway, so what does it matter!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I'm sure that if the club could have afforded Jackie, Sid, Craig and Ian over the summer we wouldn't be the subject of Hillcoat's musings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mull Jag Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 A decent move from the club, we let 3 players go Maxi, Sid, Hinchy that we have resigned, say they were on average £400pw each, so £1200 pw total, we resigned them 8 weeks later on, saving of £9600. Wht pay guys to caoch/play when ther eis no one to coach or games to play? This will become standard practice at most lower levels clubs, 10 month deal July to April, with options to resign, or 2 year deals with reduced summer wages. Yes we run the risk of some of the guys signing back on but lets be honest there is a glut of employable players out there , that a lot of players will be happy to accept the terms. The saving made of £9600 equates to about 32 full price adult supporters at every home match this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 This will become standard practice at most lower levels clubs, 10 month deal July to April, with options to resign, or 2 year deals with reduced summer wages. Thats gonna create a few problems if we have games in May!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleGreySky Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) That's hilarious. Only a footballer would complain about this. He says our squad played for 10 months of the year? They get paid to play football! If we are going to get statistical, they do very few hours for a their money. They don't have to sign for us again and the club are under no obligation to resign them. Hillcoat is actually implying that the club has done something illegal and it up to a player to sue us. They have done nothing wrong. The only lawsuit in this is defamation in his article suggesting that the club would contract or not contract players illegally. I'm so tired of footballers shooting their mouths off for a few quid from a shite paper like the daily record. It is a commentary on Scottish society that people pay for newspapers like this, and use them to 'educate' themselves. In Scotland, there is actual demand for pathetic articles like this and the Daily Record are pissing themselves laughing at the fact they only have to pay John ******* Hillcoat to fill their pages, rather than an actual journalist who might command a larger fee for an article worth reading to someone more intelligent than your average Scottish footballer. Edited July 18, 2010 by PaleGreySky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 That's hilarious. Only a footballer would complain about this. He says our squad played for 10 months of the year? They get paid to play football! If we are going to get statistical, they do very few hours for a their money. They don't have to sign for us again and the club are under no obligation to resign them. Hillcoat is actually implying that the club has done something illegal and it up to a player to sue us. They have done nothing wrong. The only lawsuit in this is defamation in his article suggesting that the club would contract or not contract players illegally. I'm so tired of footballers shooting their mouths off for a few quid from a shite paper like the daily record. It is a commentary on Scottish society that people pay for newspapers like this, and use them to 'educate' themselves. In Scotland, there is actual demand for pathetic articles like this and the Daily Record are pissing themselves laughing at the fact they only have to pay John ******* Hillcoat to fill their pages, rather than an actual journalist who might command a larger fee for an article worth reading to someone more intelligent than your average Scottish footballer. totally agree! Now lets sue the Daily Record...I reckon about £1.3m should cover it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleGreySky Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Could pay for a few players...John Hillcoat instead of Hinchcliffe, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted July 18, 2010 Members Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 The Jags squad played for around 10 months of the year without being granted holidays or wages to compensate for being cut loose in summer. That just wouldn't be tolerated in any other line of work. Plenty of contractors work like this all the time John. It's called life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleGreySky Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Wow. Sorry. I just re-read the above quote. 'wages to compensate for being cut loose in summer'? Is that a joke? It's not just tolerated in EVERY other line of work, it's what's fair! Why the **** should thistle pay wages for someone who's contract has run out!? If they agree a contract and it expires, and we happen to offer them another contract with a gap between the two, where is the obligation to pay wages for a person who is neither working nor an employee of the club. This article is pretty sickeningly ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatestEver Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Hillcoat is a fat Paisley Schemer, with a face like someones taken a skin graph from the arse of someone with severe obesity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted July 18, 2010 Members Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Hillcoat is a fat Paisley Schemer, with a face like someones taken a skin graph from the arse of someone with severe obesity. Brilliant. And I see your a Morton fan so not that your biased or anything then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatestEver Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Brilliant. And I see your a Morton fan so not that your biased or anything then! It's not as if he's a Reptilian, dole-junkie or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeehon Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 **** John Hillcoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky jag Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 hillcoat is without doubt the worst collumnist ever in the history of football, why pay any attention to what he says? read his column first few weeks he was in paper, was just a collection of anecdotes about players with nicknames doing "zany shit" in the dressing room... "yes, me and big chugger mcgraw glued big choppers toes together when he fell asleep on the team bus once...what a to-do!!!..." "yes, once me and big danny "hard-as-nails" smith hid wee sammy "the snake" clellands socks...what a to-do!!...." "what a to-do one day in the dressing room, when the gaffer couldn't find his favourite mug for drinking his coffee, little did he know big cruncher mcdougall had stole it...what a to-do!..." **** off hillcoat ya w@nk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I am sure I read that the Players Union have had close look at the Thistle senario and we seem to be the club that has started this ball rolling in this country. Again, just my opinion, but yet another own goal by the board. Hardly gonna entice a half decent player to the club. But of course we dont have money for that anyway, so what does it matter!!! Seems our Board can do no right !! Funny, I haven't heard any complaining from the 4 players involved and indeed, they all seemed very happy to re sign so where is the problem ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 What annoys me about this piece of sh*t journalism is the usual simplification of the situation. To my knowledge, we realeased three players and told two more they were free to find new clubs (but I assume they were still under contract and being paid). However anyone casually reading this article would believe we had realease ALL our playing staff - "They pulled a flanker big time as they freed their players at the end of last season and told them they would re-sign them in time for the start of the new campaign." This just isn't the case. We did nothing wrong, and in the case of Jackie he wasn't even our player to release - he was on loan last season, a free agent in the summer, and he is a new signing for the coming season. I'm sure Sid, IM and CH knew the situation was going to arise and as somebody said previously, they have all happily resigned and nobody is complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Of course we could just as easily have held onto Sid, Hinchy and Maxwell over that spell. All we needed to do was to trim our youth squad sufficiently........ Oh! hang on I see a rather large flaw in my argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Izzy, you've just proved that girls know NOTHING about football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeehon Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 hillcoat is without doubt the worst collumnist ever in the history of football, why pay any attention to what he says? read his column first few weeks he was in paper, was just a collection of anecdotes about players with nicknames doing "zany shit" in the dressing room... "yes, me and big chugger mcgraw glued big choppers toes together when he fell asleep on the team bus once...what a to-do!!!..." "yes, once me and big danny "hard-as-nails" smith hid wee sammy "the snake" clellands socks...what a to-do!!...." "what a to-do one day in the dressing room, when the gaffer couldn't find his favourite mug for drinking his coffee, little did he know big cruncher mcdougall had stole it...what a to-do!..." **** off hillcoat ya w@nk :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris near Oxford Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 A few seasons ago when Oxford United were chasing a League 2 play-off place it transpired that the chairman and sole proprietor (Firoz Kassam) had signed several players only to the end of the league season. When it looked like the club were going to make the play-offs and that those players would be out of contract he offered them a two-week extension. The players, of course, told him to get lost and, unsurprisingly, the club dropped out of the play-off positions. So the point is that if we only sign players up to the end of May, they are free to join other clubs in between if they get an offer. So we are playing fast and loose here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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