AlgarveJag

note to Caroline Mackie... - WE NEED A NEW TARGET

we're all in a spin. Please, somebody hand out the chill pills

me too

Jaf, do you remember the wee season book with bios of the players, a word from the manager and the whole seasons fixtures for the entire league?

The reason we can't get consensus on what the leagues should look like is that we have diametrically opposed outcomes. One is the best entertainment for fans and a stable platform to develop Scottish football and footballers in the whole. Larger leagues (more stable) with minimal relegation but maximum opportunity for promotion (playoffs). The other is entirely based on greed and serving a TV contract that satisfies the expectation of people outside of Scotland but only serves to magnify the gulf between the holy twins in Scotland; and a handful of clubs clinging to their skirts hoping for crumbs. The first is all about 'sporting integrity' while the second is about supporting £380,000 salaries for blazer wearing cretans and leeches. Of course, as we've seen, the boards of Scottish football clubs are extremely short sighted so we can expect them to come up with short sighted plans that benefit them in the coming weeks and months. So I'll be very surprised if we see anything that will improve the match day experience for the majority fans in Scotland as a whole being announced by the BudgeGrey committee.

you're welcome

I know for a fact that players have made donations as well as ex-players, Ian McCall (on more than one occasion) and other employees. They have their troubles too with at least half a dozen of them out of contract and the possibility that their income will dry up entirely in a few weeks time with restricted opportunities out there. We each have to do what we can ourselves.

Just £680 to go to hit the first target of £30,000 ! Great company to be in alongside Firhill great, Freddie Frans who continues to the support the Jags and I'm guessing David Thomson QC was either working pro-bono or he's been gifting his fee(s) back to the cause (a couple of times).

If you missed out on your 50:50 tickets or your pint in the Aitken Suite we are getting to close to needing a new target here... https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-jags

Get well soon Frank

Was unable to get pick seats, it just froze. Nearly missed Dools opener. I’ll donate on the donations page but there must be an easier way to buy a raffle ticket. ☹️

Hate is a strong word but I do like pumping some clubs more than others

Out of likes - THIS!

I get it. but I'd rather be realistic and honest rather than bitter, twisted and spend a load of money that we don't have fighting a battle that we can't win in a pit full of vipers - if that's the choice, pass me the barrel..

...absolutely nothing from Rangers - all smoke and mirrors to appease their masses. Photoshopped images of fake whatsApp messages and talk of smoking guns and whistleblowers. They want Champions League not Europa so we won't be hearing from them anytime soon. Meanwhile, back in the real world, we carry on and do what's best for Partick Thistle Football and I'm delighted that we continue to show outstanding sporting integrity and act as a Partick Thistle Family Club.

...now, on to reconstruction. Budge worries me when she talks in her statement of a "temporary" solution and "2 abnormal" seasons... Watch this space

I'm supporting the Jags - season tickets renewed. How I'll feel about away games remains to be seen. I understand the anger and frustration but I'm behind the clubs decision not to enter a battle we can't win and one that would detract resource and importantly money from safeguarding jobs and building a stronger club. You can't beat city hall. It would be nice, as some posters have already put it, to tell the SPFL to shove it where it don't shine but the reality is that we have ambition to play in the top division of this crock of shit as it's our crock of shit and all we've got. The only way to improve it is to work from within with reason and logic and hope you can convince others of your view. This is MY club, its OUR club and we have absolutely nothing of any practical value to gain by any kind of legal action. As the statement says, we can ask the SPFL for clarification without the threat of legal action which would be counter-productive now anyway. We need now, not to act like a petulant Morelos, swiping out at the wrongdoers; rather we need composure and backing to a great (young) team (on real grass) that we can all be proud of. I'm looking forward to watching the next Bannigan, Penrice, Fitzpatrick or Maurice Johnstone, Alan Rough, Alan Hansen or Jim Melrose. M'hon the Jags and FTOF - OTIG

holding back my anger until we here why and what comes next but if it's better than what we have and requires re-negotiation on other points I'd have thought a NO vote would have allowed us to move on to the new proposals.

really? Then who?

afk, the instructions were to return the voting paper by fax OR scan and send by email. Two email addresses were included but those have now been blanked out (presumably at the request of the account holders) along with the name of the Dundee Secretary, again, presumably at the request of the club secretary, Eric Drysdale (the man charged with submitting the DFC vote).

Dl1971, I read our legal opinion as a vote should be taken as cast when it is sent and once cast it cannot be withdrawn. So our argument is that the Dundee vote is cast. Dundee have asked that their vote is ignored as the SPFL subsequently admitted receiving it. Dundee may, of course, change a NO vote to a YES but they haven't done that. Pedantic but how I read it.

sorry Having gone all the way back to the start and the official statement from the club, they put it far more succinctly than I managed; 1. The information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission – to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document. 2. The original vote by Dundee FC was cast in line with the SPFL’s own rules and must stand, meaning that the resolution falls. 3. There is the potential for the SPFL Articles to be altered, as would be required to bring a season to end early, in order to, for example, facilitate the payment of fees to Member Clubs.

so from reading the legal opinion obtained by the club I read 3 possible ways forward. 1. The SPFL (having announced the result which is just my interpretation) accept that either Dundee voted NO or by not voting don't support the proposal and so it fails - end of story. If SPFL don't accept that fact then PTFC can request the courts enforce that right under company law by declaring their entitlement to a 'legal right' (Declarator) and the court would issue and interdict that effetely stops the procedure from going through until the case is heard. The court won't do that unless there is a sufficient body of evidence to suggest that the claim would be successful. 2. Assuming the SPFL refuse to accept the motion failed, it should be challenged on the basis that the Directors of the company failed to provide adequate information (in this case they clearly omitted the vital information that money could be released without the motion passing to end the season) to the members being asked to vote. The members were being asked to vote on the basis that there was no alternative way of distributing funds when in fact there were ways and in any case members could have voted to create a way if it didn't already exist. If this is true, the directors failed in their duty of care and court proceedings would have grounds (evidence required from clubs that voted yes) 3. The SPFL are invited to accept that the motion was not passed and that it should be re-proposed but with all of the rules being observed and all clubs in possession of the necessary facts before being invited to vote again. Again, failing of the SPFL to accept this argument has basis for court proceedings to challenge our and other parties rights having been steamrollered. Anybody read that differently. Interesting thing for me here. is looping back on previous discussions about who can sue who and the fact that you'd be seeing yourself as a member etc. This approach doesn't do that it simply says that the Articles of Association and Company Law were not followed and that we assert or rights under law. Off to read Dundees response now...

Gretna received money the year they went bust in order to fulfil their commitment to play their remaining games. It can be done. They didn't vote to end the season because games couldn't be played.

Dundee are holding the dice and it would appear to be a smart move by them. This gives the time needed to come up with a form of words that allows the money to be distributed so disengaging the immediate need for cash from the question of sporting integrity. From DFC Website... Amongst the member clubs there have been numerous discussions of the SPFL’s offer as well as viable, equitable proposed alternatives that could see potentially a neutral outcome for all clubs involved if the season cannot be finished. In all cases, current placement monies could be distributed to the member clubs in very short order while maintaining all SPFL obligations.