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The 'kids Go Free' Scheme
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
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The 'kids Go Free' Scheme
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
Good to know that some people are willing to shell out to help the club out even more. It reminds me or those pensioners who write to newspapers saying that they don't think it's necessary for pensioners to get free bus travel, and that they would be willing to pay x amount. Of course, nothing is to stop them paying, if that's what they want! Likewise, anybody who'd be willing to pay more to get into a match, or pay for their child etc, is perfectly free to pay the difference to the club in the form of 50/50 tickets or whatever. It all comes down to money for the club. Hell, I could even do it myself, and have stated that I'm ready to part with more money, but only for something attractive in return, and I don't mean another hospitality event (however much I enjoy them), or 50/50 tickets. Not sure what I'm talking myself into or out of here, so will stop! -
The 'kids Go Free' Scheme
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
I thought that it might come across as that when I typed my response! Things need to change, of course, but not just at Firhill. In the short-term we need to generate more income. But somehow I don't see how charging children to see a medicore team, and maybe one that's going to go part-time, would have any benefit at all. As I've already written, I reckon the move to part-time status would see our crowds decline fast, dramatically and for ever, along with the hope of ever playing at the top level again. Instead I think that what's needed while the game in general (not just PTFC) sorts itself out are some kinds of cash-generating schemes, of whatever kind whatsoever. I suppose without making it explicit I'm thinking in terms of a Save the Jags type massive effort by everybody, club and fans. One thing that StJ was always proud of is that "everybody got something" for their money, even if it was down to the pleasure of sponsoring a player in the 24-hr footie match (which I still haven't recovered from!), a badge, or whatever. Not begging bowls, but offer people something, even raffles, in the knowledge that it's all going to help to pay off the club debt, and people will respond. -
The 'kids Go Free' Scheme
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
Scrap it now, and there'll be even fewer children at the matches than there are now. Probably fewer adults too, who might have to think twice if they need to pay even just a few quid for a couple of youngsters. -
I'm genuinely speechless! Ach well, you can't please everybody, it's true.
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Yes, much too dear.
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Err, I wanted to check out the conditions for the troops on Tuesday.
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Ahh, so that's where it all started!
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Err, isn't this us right back to where we were 15 years ago, when we lost the play-off against the Arabs to drop out of a 10-team top division? Where's the massive reconstruction?
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Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
I'd imagine that almost 100% of Thistle supporters would agree with that. But, a part-time Thistle would definitely lead to even more supporters becoming part-time at most. I admit freely to being one of them. I go to considerable lengths to get to Firhill every other week, and of course to follow the team away as often as I can. My season ticket gets used for around half the games at most. I buy programmes, 50/50s, insane amounts of Jags-related items. But if I learned that Thistle were aiming to become another Clyde or Stirling Albion in terms of ambition and status, then what I currently give to the club would decline to a mere dribble, and at very best I might attend the occasional match at Firhill. Want Thistle to be playing in crowds of well below 1,000 every week? Easy. Switch to becoming a part-time club and continue floundering around in the lower divisions without any ambition to play at the top level. -
To a certain extent. It's actually the club of the people who own the shares, especially those who have been dismantling and selling off the stadium to developers.
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Point taken, and you're right. I guess more folk probably need to get actively involved, rather than merely sniping from the sidelines. I live too far away from Glasgow and am really too busy to get involved in any organizing of anything, but my point is mainly that quite a lot of people are ready to spend money that will go to help the Jags IF there is something attractive and different on offer. There are only so many 50/50 tickets, programmes, scarves etc you want to buy every other week. Change it around even slightly, freshen it up and the money is the same (well, it it would be extra), but more people are likely to be willing to part with their readies.
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Actually thought the crowd did pretty well in terms of vocal support in the second half yesterday.
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Why didn't they organize a couple of stupid Jags-related Christmas hampers as prizes, for God's sake? Couple of bottles of wine, some tinned ham, mince pies etc. etc; throw in a ball or a kid's jersey or two, and raffle them at a quid. Cost to the club? Peanuts. Income generated? Probably a grand or two.
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Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
Throughout my entire life I've seen football clubs in Scotland complaining about cash flow and pleading for investment. And with the exception of Third Lanark, they're all still there in one guise or another, the full-time clubs still full-time, the part-timers still part-time. -
Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
I think that you're being naive. Unilaterally declaring that we've abandoned full-time football would probably lead to other clubs welcoming the fact that Thistle had thrown in the towel, leaving them with one fewer nuisance club that might occasionally interfere with them getting their games against the OF. It's perfectly plain that SPL clubs (for example) will never act for the overall benefit of the game; as you said, it's about self-preservation. And us packing it in as a realistic competitor (albeit one currently at a low point) would simply be treated as an opportunity for them to consolidate their own positions. -
Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
I'm judging strength as playing in the SPL and getting the lion's share of coverage, advertising, tv money etc etc. The climate has indeed changed, not just for football teams but for every kind of organization, be it art clubs or universities. I'm not saying that clubs in the top flight are "comfortable" owing millions, but the fact is that they are there, playing were we can only aspire to go, but where we'll never go if we become a part-time club. I honestly believe that oblivion would come to us faster by going down that route. Or at best we'd be the equivalent of Linlithgow Rose. I like my football, but I wouldn't buy a season ticket or make a round trip of 70+ miles every other week to watch that. -
There are other ways to go before switching to become a team of players who play simply as a hobby. Part-time and junior; pretty similar imo. How many realistically can stay full time? No idea. All of the SPL clubs can; even though they're all millions in debt, they have sufficient turnover to keep it going. And it's the teams who keep that model who will have a chance of joining them. Do you reckon that Cowdenbeath might one day make it to the SPL? If not, why not? I'd suggest that they have no ambition ever to make it there. They're a part-time outfit, already happy to be where they now are. I think that the part-time mentality would soon permeate every aspect of PTFC if it happened, from playing staff right down to supporters, who would become even more part-time than most of them currently are. And yes, I make no apology for saying that most self-proclaimed Thistle supporters are indeed part-timers, or even less. Or crowds show that to be the case.
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Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
Then my answer is an emphatic "no". The notion that Thistle will somehow be the model of the best way to run a football club (remember that from anywhere) and will somehow cause others to follow our model is naive. We've already been there and done that, and regardless of how many millions they might owe, just about every other team that was with us in the SPL back then is going strong. Remember how it became common knowledge that even our star players were on a basic of £500? Did that cause other teams to follow suit? No, it caused other teams to buy up our best players! And were have we been since then? Bottom of first division, and even lower. -
We had some pretty slick mixed squads in the past, e.g. the League Cup winning side, and for a couple of seasons afterwards. I wouldn't be against a sprinkling of part-timers if they were good enough (the last one we had was Des McKeown, who was a fit as they come). Completely part-time is another kettle of fish. Such a team would never win the 1st division against full-time outfits, and would be more likely than not to be yo-yo-ing between the 1st division and lower. That would not attract nearly as many punters as now, and would rapidly lead to the Clyde-isation of Thistle, with crowds of around 500, in even more of a footballing wilderness than we're in now.
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Would You Support A Move To Part-Time Football?
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
No it's not. What does "support" mean? Do we actively desire it? If the club announced that it was moving to become part-time playing staff only would we continue to support the team? A mix of full-time and part-time? -
Question Re. Dundee's Punishment
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
So what should they get? What the Dundee fans and club think is "reasonable", i.e., a 10-point reduction? They've won more than 10 points since their punishment was announced! So it's actually no punishment at all! If that's all the punishment that repeated and chronic attempts to cheat your way through the system incurs then every team might as well just spend millions that they don't have and then go crying for administration. That cannot be allowed, or we might as well just chuck it. -
He's "mistaken", or at the wind-up. There's never been a Joe McFarlane, according to the Official History, and certainly no McFarlane anywhere near around that time. Edited to add: unless he was a youth player or got the odd reserve game; but one of the League Cup winning squad, no way.
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Question Re. Dundee's Punishment
Jaggernaut replied to The Incredible Adam Spark's topic in Main Jags forum
But then anything goes. -
Not according to the Warriors, it wouldn't. (I'm pretty sure that's what I read.)