twinny Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 So someone who controls the media ,removes any voice of opposition in the media uses all the arms of the state to work on his re-election is good for democracy how ,despite massive Oli Reserves the people in Venezula are still poor ,its the second most violent Country in South America after Mexico which has been in a de facto War against the Drug Cartels for four years by any stretch of the imagination how is this guys re-election good for the people of Venezula - so you shout left Wing rubbish meantime ensure no one can oppose you but this makes you a good guy ? So it is the most violent country in South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Admin can we make sure this is thread is archived please, as i am sure i will need it for some of BJ and MJ quotes later Feel free to refer to facts such as those contained on this site which articulates, in this case, Venezuela's initiatives in respect of producing sufficient quantities of affordable food for its population. http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5587 There's quite a bit of literature around on the web outling reasons for the level of violent crime in Venezuela, if you can be bothered to trawl around which, I should add, I can't. But essentially, there seems to be a range of factors beyond Chavez's control, such as its border with Colombia and the attendant (mainly drugs-related) crime associated with that. Another claim, by independent anylists, is that crime levels are at their highest in the regions of the country where the opposition are in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Feel free to refer to facts such as those contained on this site which articulates, in this case, Venezuela's initiatives in respect of producing sufficient quantities of affordable food for its population. http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5587 There's quite a bit of literature around on the web outling reasons for the level of violent crime in Venezuela, if you can be bothered to trawl around which, I should add, I can't. But essentially, there seems to be a range of factors beyond Chavez's control, such as its border with Colombia and the attendant (mainly drugs-related) crime associated with that. Another claim, by independent anylists, is that crime levels are at their highest in the regions of the country where the opposition are in control. very commendable apart from its putting farmers and producers out of business due to the low prices, so fine right up until the government admit they cant afford it anymore Edited October 12, 2012 by jaggybunnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I was going to give you a long post but thought the easiest thing to do was to point you in the direction of the CWI site http://www.marxist.net/ The CWI is a pro-imperialist sect who supported the imperialist-backed disintegration of Jugoslavija (Yugoslavia), and now support the "self-determination" of Chinese Taipei, a puppet government of US/Japanese imperialism. Look at Peter Taaffe's response to me. http://chinaworker.info/en/content/news/41/ "Mikawasima Tookjoo" is me. Mikawasima is a Korea town in Tookjoo (Tokyo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 So someone who controls the media ,removes any voice of opposition in the media uses all the arms of the state to work on his re-election is good for democracy how ,despite massive Oli Reserves the people in Venezula are still poor ,its the second most violent Country in South America after Mexico which has been in a de facto War against the Drug Cartels for four years by any stretch of the imagination how is this guys re-election good for the people of Venezula - so you shout left Wing rubbish meantime ensure no one can oppose you but this makes you a good guy ? Woody, so why did so many folk bother to vote for Chavez? With oil at stake and if a rigged vote, I'm surprised America aided by it's attack dog Britain isn't lining up some form of intervention. But maybe the US knows that to jump in following a democratic election wouldn't look good for world democracy i.e. we'll only allow heads of state we like. I'm not for one minute suggesting that Chavez is a perfect leader and I don't doubt violent crime may be a problem, but he's just pulled off a win in a democratic election that many pollsters wouldn't have predicted. I also understand that Chavez may have cancer, so maybe America is just waiting to see what the prognosis is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The CWI is a pro-imperialist sect who supported the imperialist-backed disintegration of Jugoslavija (Yugoslavia), and now support the "self-determination" of Chinese Taipei, a puppet government of US/Japanese imperialism. Look at Peter Taaffe's response to me. http://chinaworker.i...ontent/news/41/ "Mikawasima Tookjoo" is me. Mikawasima is a Korea town in Tookjoo (Tokyo). Mikawasima, I've read and re-read Peter Taaffe's response and fail to see why this makes him pro-imperialist. I take it you're using this term as a slur or insult? On the contrary, he tries to set out the CWI's international position whilst suggesting (politely IMO) that your understanding is flawed. Surely a matter of disagreement between two comrades. I take it you'd still refer to him as a brother; or are you taking a sectarian stand on this one: blindfold, bullet in the head etc? Not for the first time, you've left me feeling slightly confused... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Admin can we make sure this is thread is archived please, as i am sure i will need it for some of BJ and MJ quotes later Jaggy old boy, you never cease to amaze. Express an interest in a thread and you want my work archieved; I'm flattered. As ever, I'm taking your comments as a compliment and go on record as thanking you for taking an interest in my life's work. Next time JB's in town we'll arrange to meet up in the Strathmore for a photo shoot and will arrange to have a couple of snaps laminated for your personal use. We'll also arrange to have a t-shirt made up for you - one that features the two of us in revolutionary pose. Take it from me, you'll receive many admiring glances from the fairer sex plus one or two from boys who like a bit of boy band rough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Jaggy old boy, you never cease to amaze. Express an interest in a thread and you want my work archieved; I'm flattered. As ever, I'm taking your comments as a compliment and go on record as thanking you for taking an interest in my life's work. Next time JB's in town we'll arrange to meet up in the Strathmore for a photo shoot and will arrange to have a couple of snaps laminated for your personal use. We'll also arrange to have a t-shirt made up for you - one that features the two of us in revolutionary pose. Take it from me, you'll receive many admiring glances from the fairer sex plus one or two from boys who like a bit of boy band rough! Ah cannae wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Jaggy old boy, you never cease to amaze. Express an interest in a thread and you want my work archieved; I'm flattered. As ever, I'm taking your comments as a compliment and go on record as thanking you for taking an interest in my life's work. Next time JB's in town we'll arrange to meet up in the Strathmore for a photo shoot and will arrange to have a couple of snaps laminated for your personal use. We'll also arrange to have a t-shirt made up for you - one that features the two of us in revolutionary pose. Take it from me, you'll receive many admiring glances from the fairer sex plus one or two from boys who like a bit of boy band rough! i will wear your t shirt if you wear my i love maggie and boris for PM T shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Mikawasima, I've read and re-read Peter Taaffe's response and fail to see why this makes him pro-imperialist. I take it you're using this term as a slur or insult? On the contrary, he tries to set out the CWI's international position whilst suggesting (politely IMO) that your understanding is flawed. Surely a matter of disagreement between two comrades. I take it you'd still refer to him as a brother; or are you taking a sectarian stand on this one: blindfold, bullet in the head etc? Not for the first time, you've left me feeling slightly confused... Peter Taaffe gives a de facto support for the US/Japanese imperialist plot of Taiwan independence. The political meaning of Taiwan independence is equal to British imperialism's creation of "Northern Ireland", or creating "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the potentially hostile Arabic world". Or there are many other examples -- British imperialism's invention of Kuwait, Japanese imperialism's creation of Manchuria, etc. Peter Taaffe's pro-imperialist degeneration goes to the appalling level -- he supports the right of Orange Order to march! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Peter Taaffe gives a de facto support for the US/Japanese imperialist plot of Taiwan independence. The political meaning of Taiwan independence is equal to British imperialism's creation of "Northern Ireland", or creating "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the potentially hostile Arabic world". Or there are many other examples -- British imperialism's invention of Kuwait, Japanese imperialism's creation of Manchuria, etc. Peter Taaffe's pro-imperialist degeneration goes to the appalling level -- he supports the right of Orange Order to march! Siegy, WTF is a "little loyal Jewish Ulster" and what do you have against the Jews? The self same race that gave us so many brilliant independent thinkers. Shame on you for being a racist f***wit! Have you never heard the notion that Ulster is where one of the lost tribes of Israel settled? Some Orangemen apparently claim lineage; plus comparisions between Ulster and Israel are quite easy to form. Anyway, in my internationalist world, there's room for everyone; even you! Your post is perhaps one of the most bigoted and sectarian that I've read on here in ages. Plus in a democracy, doesn't everyone have the right to demonstrate? I'm not a fan of what the loyal orders stand for, but at least they're consistent in their message; as, I guess, are their polar opposites in the republican movement. Each to their own and if they want to wander up and down streets demonstarting allegiance to whomever or whatever then they should be allowed to do so; IMO. All part of life in a democracy and if we don't like it we are allowed to make a peaceful counter demonstration. But returning to Northern Ireland, I'm of the opinion that the solution to the problem has always been one of class. Issues like sh*t housing, drugs, poverty and unemployment span both communities and should be tackled as cross-community initiatives. Problem is, history and religion get in the way... but give it time! Are you seriously suggesting that a united Ireland solves Ulster's problems? If so, seek urgent medical help now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Siegy, WTF is a "little loyal Jewish Ulster" and what do you have against the Jews? The self same race that gave us so many brilliant independent thinkers. Shame on you for being a racist f***wit! Have you never heard the notion that Ulster is where one of the lost tribes of Israel settled? Some Orangemen apparently claim lineage; plus comparisions between Ulster and Israel are quite easy to form. Anyway, in my internationalist world, there's room for everyone; even you! Your post is perhaps one of the most bigoted and sectarian that I've read on here in ages. Plus in a democracy, doesn't everyone have the right to demonstrate? I'm not a fan of what the loyal orders stand for, but at least they're consistent in their message; as, I guess, are their polar opposites in the republican movement. Each to their own and if they want to wander up and down streets demonstarting allegiance to whomever or whatever then they should be allowed to do so; IMO. All part of life in a democracy and if we don't like it we are allowed to make a peaceful counter demonstration. But returning to Northern Ireland, I'm of the opinion that the solution to the problem has always been one of class. Issues like sh*t housing, drugs, poverty and unemployment span both communities and should be tackled as cross-community initiatives. Problem is, history and religion get in the way... but give it time! Are you seriously suggesting that a united Ireland solves Ulster's problems? If so, seek urgent medical help now!!! Firstly, I do not understand what "WTF" means here. Of course I do not think that you mean the World Taekwondo Federation, but I do not know this abbreviation. Please write more "official" style. I have nothing against the non-Zionist Jews. My MPhil supervisor was a Jewish Marxist and I was friendly a Jewish former Marxist who suddenly turned into orthodox Judaism after writing much about Marxist philosophy (although fundamentally invalid). "Creating a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the potentially hostile Arabic world" was the words of Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem. This statement clearly expose the real aim of the creation of Nazisrael. "doesn't everyone have the right to demonstrate?" -- No, I clearly reject such "right" for fascists, Zionists, Taiwan independentists etc. They must be violently crushed. Ulster Unionists must leave Ireland, if they refuse to be Irish. I strongly support the struggle for a united socialist Ireland, and a secular socialist republic of the whole historic land of Palestine in which the Hebrews have every minority right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Siegy, WTF is a "little loyal Jewish Ulster" and what do you have against the Jews? The self same race that gave us so many brilliant independent thinkers. Shame on you for being a racist f***wit! Have you never heard the notion that Ulster is where one of the lost tribes of Israel settled? Some Orangemen apparently claim lineage; plus comparisions between Ulster and Israel are quite easy to form. Anyway, in my internationalist world, there's room for everyone; even you! Your post is perhaps one of the most bigoted and sectarian that I've read on here in ages. Plus in a democracy, doesn't everyone have the right to demonstrate? I'm not a fan of what the loyal orders stand for, but at least they're consistent in their message; as, I guess, are their polar opposites in the republican movement. Each to their own and if they want to wander up and down streets demonstarting allegiance to whomever or whatever then they should be allowed to do so; IMO. All part of life in a democracy and if we don't like it we are allowed to make a peaceful counter demonstration. But returning to Northern Ireland, I'm of the opinion that the solution to the problem has always been one of class. Issues like sh*t housing, drugs, poverty and unemployment span both communities and should be tackled as cross-community initiatives. Problem is, history and religion get in the way... but give it time! Are you seriously suggesting that a united Ireland solves Ulster's problems? If so, seek urgent medical help now!!! SS00 is making you look more right wing than blair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Your post is perhaps one of the most bigoted and sectarian that I've read on here in ages. If so, seek urgent medical help now!!! MJ - are you seriously attempting to have an intellectual conversation with a lunatic f***wit who collects football tops by the hundred and lamentably has the same kind of predeliction for young girls that has got a paedo teacher recently deported from France? Last time we checked he was indeed on medication for mental health issues. His racist ramblings on here on this thread would again be enough to have the normal Jags fan disbarred sine diefrom the forum but he seems to be protected by the Mods. Will be interesting to see how they spin this one. Edited October 13, 2012 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Silly accusation of "racism". What sort of racism in my view? I see the Ulster Unionists and Zionists to be inherently pro-imperialist, reactionary and sectarian. Saying this truth has nothing to do with racism. I have nothing against the non-Zionist Jews (Hebrews). In the USA there are many atheist and communist Jews who firmly stand against the Zionist state (Nazisrael). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) SS00 is making you look more right wing than blair Thanks for that Jaggy, good to see a one comrade looking out for another. Siege Siege 00 intrigues me, he has me stumped, he's so left wing he’s in danger of going off the radar and ending up in Penicuik. I showed his posts to my 86 year-old father in law (Communist Party member) who quick as a flash said “Stalin knew how to deal with people like that!” Wonder what he meant Edited October 15, 2012 by Meister Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 MJ - are you seriously attempting to have an intellectual conversation with a lunatic f***wit who collects football tops by the hundred and lamentably has the same kind of predeliction for young girls that has got a paedo teacher recently deported from France? Last time we checked he was indeed on medication for mental health issues. His racist ramblings on here on this thread would again be enough to have the normal Jags fan disbarred sine diefrom the forum but he seems to be protected by the Mods. Will be interesting to see how they spin this one. Erm, in a word, no. I have to confess that I haven't a clue what he's going on about and the more he posts the more contradictory the message. But I'm never one to put a good f***wit down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Thanks for that Jaggy, good to see a one comrade looking out for another. Siege Siege 00 intrigues me, he has me stumped, he so left wing he’s in danger of going off the radar and ending up in Penicuik. I showed his posts to my 86 year-old father in law (Communist Party member) who quick as a flash said “Stalin knew how to deal with people like that!” Wonder what he meant Stalin was a paranoid nutter who killed Murdered his own people quicker than hitler could, so what did he mean? Edited October 14, 2012 by jaggybunnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Silly accusation of "racism". What sort of racism in my view? I see the Ulster Unionists and Zionists to be inherently pro-imperialist, reactionary and sectarian. Saying this truth has nothing to do with racism. I have nothing against the non-Zionist Jews (Hebrews). In the USA there are many atheist and communist Jews who firmly stand against the Zionist state (Nazisrael). you are an idiot if you think that but more likely (i hope) are just on a wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Thanks for that Jaggy, good to see a one comrade looking out for another. Siege Siege 00 intrigues me, he has me stumped, he so left wing he’s in danger of going off the radar and ending up in Penicuik. I showed his posts to my 86 year-old father in law (Communist Party member) who quick as a flash said “Stalin knew how to deal with people like that!” Wonder what he meant Which Communist Party? CPB (Morning Star)? CPS? CPGB (Weekly Worker)? Or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Which Communist Party? CPB (Morning Star)? CPS? CPGB (Weekly Worker)? Or other? Or other... you did ask ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Stalin was a paranoid nutter who killed Murdered his own people quicker than hitler could, so what did he mean? Good to see you're keeping up-to-speed with this Jaggy. You know that there are times that I worry about what the vintage port is doing to your brain. So is Stalin now your despot of choice? Pretty nasty piece of work IMO; but don't all leaders - irrespective of political leaning - turn a bit paranoid in the end? Look at the state of your blessed thatcher when the knives were out for her... she'd basically become a liability so time to get rid of the old boot (as I'm sure someone in Tory Party Central Office once said). [Edited to assist the Tory right, or is that not so bright, on this forum ] Edited October 15, 2012 by Meister Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Good to see you're keeping up-to-speed with this Jaggy. you know that there are times that I worry about what the vintage port is doing to your brain. So is Stalin now your despot of choice? Pretty nasty piece of work IMO; but don't all leaders - irrespective of political leaning - turn a bit paranoid/ look at the state of your blessed thatcher when the knives were out for her... she'd basically did her parties bidding so time to get rid of the old boot (as I'm sure someone in Central Office once said). you have been reading too much SS00 posts that didnt make sence, are you saying i am wrong or be cause he was a Communist thats ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 you have been reading too much SS00 posts that didnt make sence, are you saying i am wrong or be cause he was a Communist thats ok? Read my posts, at NO point have I said that he was a good guy. As despots go, he's up there with the best, or should that be the worst, of them. Hope this clarifies your query. But was Stalin really a communist in the marxist-leninist mould? Naw, I'll leave that for another day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Stalin was a paranoid nutter who killed Murdered his own people quicker than hitler could, so what did he mean? Hitler did not kill that many of his own people ,in fact he was pretty good to his own people - now the rest of Europe ,Jews,Gypsies.Russians ,Poles that is a completley different ball game. Dont forget Hitler did win a large % of the popular vote - of course once in power who needed a messy democratic process. Comparisions between Hitler and Stalin are not easy ( ignoring the fact Millions died as a result of there masdness). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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