Dick Dastardly

Football debts I believe have to be paid in full before other creditors get a penny. That said, if Dundee go out of business, they will get nothing for Inglorious Gary, so we would get 25% of bog all.

Don't think it will make much difference to their value. I doubt if any Scottish club that can afford them would want them and the cup tie/suspension wont apply if they head down south.

On the plus side, we should know the draw for the next round before the game is played. If we get someone like Inverness or St Johnston, we might play a different side than if Rangers/Celtic came out the pot.

Exactly my point. If selling/getting rid of Griffith/Harkins is going to get the creditors less than 6p in the pound then he is doing the right thing. If not then the creditors would be able to sue. Only he (and the creditors) will have all the figures.

A very good summary, and the important point is that the Administrator's primary role is to recover as much as possible for the creditors. As much as we all want it, that does not mean punish Dundee, and in his defense, by holding onto Griffiths and Harkins, probably the only assets of any value, I think he is probably doing the right thing. There are rumored to be about £2m in debt and if the 6p in the pound offer is accurate, that would mean the creditors would get £120,000 from the sale of the club in it's current state. Sell Griffiths and Harkins and the value will be massively reduced from the reduction in assets and the almost certain reduction in the clubs league status. So, how much would they get for the 2 players mentioned ? Probably not a lot. I can't see that any Scottish club that can afford them would want them, which leaves the English Leagues. GH was hardly a roaring success there and with times tough I can't see them fetching more than £250k for the pair. Take away agents fees, sell on clauses, players cut, administrator's fees, taxes and there isn't going to be much left for the creditors. OK, so some of this is based on rumour and speculation, but I just wanted to suggest that it is not neccesary for the administrator to sell everything to be doing his job.

For the benefit of us Nomads, what did he say ?

Quinton Jacobs for Namibia I think that MoJo got his first cap after moving to Watford.

Anyone think that England didn't really want to win, but had to be seen to try ? There has been a series of PR disasters ever since they started the bid, beginning with Lord Triessman and ending with the Panorama report. All nothing to do with the bid, but all damaging. Conspiracy ?

Dundalk I believe

Early days. There is plenty of time to knock some negativity into them and turn them into proper Jags.

Why not have a top league of 2 teams where they play each other 4 times a season, with no relegation or promotion. The rest can have 2 leagues of 16. Works for me.

Don't want to defend the press, but this is actually correct. Because Dundee have appealed, the points have not yet been deducted. Look at the official Scottish Football League webite if you want confirmation

Shame, I think he might have done something against the Stirling defense, although McCall would probably start him from the bench until he's had a couple of reserve games to settle in.

The point I'm trying to make is that had they got the promotion, they would have had the money to pay the tax man. It was only because they failed so spectacularly that they are in the shit. Don't get me wrong, I have little sympathy, I'm just saying that they were not cheating. They knew the rules and played by the rules and are now suffering the consequence of the rules.

I would actually disagree that they cheated. Had they got promotion to the SPL, they would have easily been able to pay off the debts. What they did was set up a business model based on a gamble. It was a valid business model, but they lost the gamble, now they have to pay the consequences. The situation with our stadium is totally different and I would argue that Inverness were bigger cheats than Dundee.They spent money on the squad rather than the stadium in full knowledge of the rules, then argued about the rules after they had won. However that is an old wound that is probably best left untouched for now.

Is it his wife that plays Schmeichel

True, but people think he is.

Shimmin will go to a struggling SPL club - St.Mirren, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen. Kuqi will head back down south to a League 1 or League 2 side. I don't want any of them as we can't afford them.

I'm going to be controvertial here and suggest that the SFA/SFL would be right to do nothing until the Dundee situation is sorted out. Much as I dislike Dundee, the governing bodies should be doing what is right for Scottish Football and I would argue that Scottish football is better with Dundee FC in some form rather than Beith or Spartans or Teuchter Utd. Penalising Dundee now would make it very hard to find the new buyer that the club needs to survive and the survival of Dundee FC should, rightly be the priority of the SFA/SFL. A statement that they will review the situation in January would give the club a fighting chance.

Not with their wages we wouldn't. Recruit them and we would be as dead as Dundee.

Smith must be staying as he is assistant

It depends on whether they end up in Admin or Liquidation. If Admin, Dundee can't come out until football debts are settled in full (ie pay the lot or come to an agreement with us). If it is Liquidation, we become just one of the creditors

saleable assets The club need cash, and it will cost them to get rid of Harkins, Griffiths etc, assets that they can sell in January. If the administrator was to get rid of them he would not be doing his job. He has to get rid of stuff that he can't get any money for and keep the stuff he can sell.

Bad news for us that the Binos play them tomorrow.

To the ones made redundant or the ones they are keeping ?