CCjag Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Hampden regularly provides a health and safety risk for those passing as rule books are hurled out of the windows on a regular basis for the general convenience of those and such as those. Someone could, however, usefully address the potentially ludicrous situation which arose following DownDee United’s Murray’s dismissal in the first leg of the Play-Off Final. Taking away the immensely enjoyable injustice of the decision, let’s concentrate on this potential scenario. A player widely regarded as United’s main goal threat is dismissed in the first game. He appeals the second booking and is granted a stay of the suspension pending a hearing which is scheduled for four days after the second leg. In the second leg, he scores the goal that secures a win for his side and condemns Hamilton to the Championship. The following Thursday, the Disciplinary Appeal hearing dismisses his claim and upholds the suspension! The Play-Off has, therefore, been decided by a player who should not have been eligible to appear. A “see you in court" scenario??” The only parallel I can think of, and an infinitely more serious one, was the UK parliament’s decision in 1953 that it could not debate whether or not the imposition of the death sentence on Derek Bentley was correct until after it had been carried out! Blind Justice indeed! Edited May 29, 2017 by CCjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Given that they knew of the tight turnaround between these games it wouldn't have taken much forward planning to have a panel lined up for Saturday that would meet in the event of an appeal because no lodged. As you say a potential scenario that could have a major impact on the outcome of the tie ultimately bringing the game into dispute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CCjag Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I believe that the "Easy-Move Goal Trolley" comes free with every SFA Blazer! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hampden regularly provides a health and safety risk for those passing as rule books are hurled out of the windows on a regular basis for the general convenience of those and such as those. Someone could, however, usefully address the potentially ludicrous situation which arose following DownDee United’s Murray’s dismissal in the first leg of the Play-Off Final. Taking away the immensely enjoyable injustice of the decision, let’s concentrate on this potential scenario. A player widely regarded as United’s main goal threat is dismissed in the first game. He appeals the second booking and is granted a stay of the suspension pending a hearing which is scheduled for four days after the second leg. In the second leg, he scores the goal that secures a win for his side and condemns Hamilton to the Championship. The following Thursday, the Disciplinary Appeal hearing dismisses his claim and upholds the suspension! The Play-Off has, therefore, been decided by a player who should not have been eligible to appear. A “see you in court" scenario??” The only parallel I can think of, and an infinitely more serious one, was the UK parliament’s decision in 1953 that it could not debate whether or not the imposition of the death sentence on Derek Bentley was correct until after it had been carried out! Blind Justice indeed! In your scenario, when would the suspension be served, especially as it was not for violent conduct? Is the play-off simply regarded as another league game and therefore the suspension would kick in at the beginning of next season, or is it a different animal, meaning that it would only be served next time Simon Murray reached the play offs, whether for Dundee United or with another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCjag Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 In your scenario, when would the suspension be served, especially as it was not for violent conduct? Is the play-off simply regarded as another league game and therefore the suspension would kick in at the beginning of next season, or is it a different animal, meaning that it would only be served next time Simon Murray reached the play offs, whether for Dundee United or with another team? Who knows? Logic would suggest the next League game - but when has logic ever had anything to do with the way Scottish Football is regulated? The key point is that, in this far from unlikely scenario, Dundee Utd would have committed the crime and Hamilton taken the punishment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camallain Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hampden regularly provides a health and safety risk for those passing as rule books are hurled out of the windows on a regular basis for the general convenience of those and such as those. Someone could, however, usefully address the potentially ludicrous situation which arose following DownDee United’s Murray’s dismissal in the first leg of the Play-Off Final. Taking away the immensely enjoyable injustice of the decision, let’s concentrate on this potential scenario. A player widely regarded as United’s main goal threat is dismissed in the first game. He appeals the second booking and is granted a stay of the suspension pending a hearing which is scheduled for four days after the second leg. In the second leg, he scores the goal that secures a win for his side and condemns Hamilton to the Championship. The following Thursday, the Disciplinary Appeal hearing dismisses his claim and upholds the suspension! The Play-Off has, therefore, been decided by a player who should not have been eligible to appear. A “see you in court" scenario??” The only parallel I can think of, and an infinitely more serious one, was the UK parliament’s decision in 1953 that it could not debate whether or not the imposition of the death sentence on Derek Bentley was correct until after it had been carried out! Blind Justice indeed! The very same though occurred to me. Essentially you could have a player or players sent off for anything ranging from two yellows for fouls to a straight red for punching an opponent but hey no problem just appeal and you have him/them available for the 2nd leg because the SFA can't be arsed getting their finger out and adjudicating on the offense before the 2nd leg takes place. That's not just wrong it's administrative incompetence and could play a major factor on who gets relegated and who gets promoted. The SFA need to take a long hard look at themselves regarding this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 The appeals system is a joke, and we benefitted by appealing Elliot's red card earlier in the season. There is no reason for any appeal not to be considered during the few days after an offence so that a decision can be made before the next game is due to be played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 The very same though occurred to me. Essentially you could have a player or players sent off for anything ranging from two yellows for fouls to a straight red for punching an opponent but hey no problem just appeal and you have him/them available for the 2nd leg because the SFA can't be arsed getting their finger out and adjudicating on the offense before the 2nd leg takes place. That's not just wrong it's administrative incompetence and could play a major factor on who gets relegated and who gets promoted. The SFA need to take a long hard look at themselves regarding this! Unfortunately the SFA is totally inept and out of touch. I can't think of an organisation that's more incapable of self analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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