Tommy Sheridan - Today's The Day You Get The Jail

[B.C.G. JAG]

Murdoch 2, Politicians 0

 

I wanted him to get let off if only so that the tabloids might start reconsidering what equates as news. So after several millions of public money being spent on this, we now know that Tommy Sheridan lies about his sex life - well that was money well spent! Murdoch's got revenge, Tommy and Gail will make a few quid out of this somewhere down the line and the press of this country continues to go about it's rabid business. The public were always going to be losers no matter what the outcome.

[Uncle Psychosis]

I hope he swings for it...

[Chris near Oxford]

Murdoch 2, Politicians 0

 

I wanted him to get let off if only so that the tabloids might start reconsidering what equates as news. So after several millions of public money being spent on this, we now know that Tommy Sheridan lies about his sex life - well that was money well spent! Murdoch's got revenge, Tommy and Gail will make a few quid out of this somewhere down the line and the press of this country continues to go about it's rabid business. The public were always going to be losers no matter what the outcome.

What about the people he denounced as liars and scabs because they wouldn't perjure themselves to maintain their lies? Including of course one of our fellow Jags Fans? Why should they and their families have this accusation sitting over them?

 

Sheridan made Murdoch's game so damn easy. He should have just ignored it: but he wanted his teetotal, scrabble-playing family man image to be preserved. The accusations weren't that important and, given that they were true, he should just have brushed them off.

[crazy davie]

Given the rag-tag assemblage of freaks, liars, criminals, and ne'er-do-wells on the prosecution witness side, I was expecting a reasonable-doubt Not Guilty verdict. Probs he is guilty, but I thought he would have got away with it.

[Meister Jag]

What about the people he denounced as liars and scabs because they wouldn't perjure themselves to maintain their lies? Including of course one of our fellow Jags Fans? Why should they and their families have this accusation sitting over them?

 

Sheridan made Murdoch's game so damn easy. He should have just ignored it: but he wanted his teetotal, scrabble-playing family man image to be preserved. The accusations weren't that important and, given that they were true, he should just have brushed them off.

 

Are you Richie Venton in disguise? I actually feel a wee bit sorry for TS but agree that in the final analysis his ego probably was his downfall. As I've said previously in this thread, this shouldn't have been allowed to go to court. I really don't think any of this prurient nonsense is in the public interest and all we have here is the establishment doing their mate Murdoch a favour by allowing this to proceed to hearing. What a waste of police resources and judicial time - hardly the crime of the century.

 

As for Gail sticking by him, could this be her showing her religious side? She apparently lent heavily on her faith in the witness box and made great play of fiddling with her rosary beads. Not knocking it btw, just suggesting that perhaps she can see a reason to stay in the marriage and stick by her man etc.

 

For the record, my ideal outcome would have been "cleared" but with reduced compensation. Anything to get one over Murdoch. But the sad thing is that I don't think the SSP have come out of this with any credit either. I certainly view their actions as class treachery and am glad that I walked when I did; even if I did loose some comrades in the process. But the struggle goes on...

[jaggybunnet]

Are you Richie Venton in disguise? I actually feel a wee bit sorry for TS but agree that in the final analysis his ego probably was his downfall. As I've said previously in this thread, this shouldn't have been allowed to go to court. I really don't think any of this prurient nonsense is in the public interest and all we have here is the establishment doing their mate Murdoch a favour by allowing this to proceed to hearing. What a waste of police resources and judicial time - hardly the crime of the century.

 

As for Gail sticking by him, could this be her showing her religious side? She apparently lent heavily on her faith in the witness box and made great play of fiddling with her rosary beads. Not knocking it btw, just suggesting that perhaps she can see a reason to stay in the marriage and stick by her man etc.

 

For the record, my ideal outcome would have been "cleared" but with reduced compensation. Anything to get one over Murdoch. But the sad thing is that I don't think the SSP have come out of this with any credit either. I certainly view their actions as class treachery and am glad that I walked when I did; even if I did loose some comrades in the process. But the struggle goes on...

 

To get up in the morning????

 

idealy i would have IT do 7 years and news of the screws paying the costs of the case and for sad sack to stay in jail... but you cant have everything so, the 7 years bit will do

[GOVAN JAG]

LOL brilliant news.

 

Bye bye Tommy boy.

[Phoenix]

Are you Richie Venton in disguise? I actually feel a wee bit sorry for TS but agree that in the final analysis his ego probably was his downfall. As I've said previously in this thread, this shouldn't have been allowed to go to court. I really don't think any of this prurient nonsense is in the public interest and all we have here is the establishment doing their mate Murdoch a favour by allowing this to proceed to hearing. What a waste of police resources and judicial time - hardly the crime of the century.

 

As for Gail sticking by him, could this be her showing her religious side? She apparently lent heavily on her faith in the witness box and made great play of fiddling with her rosary beads. Not knocking it btw, just suggesting that perhaps she can see a reason to stay in the marriage and stick by her man etc.

 

For the record, my ideal outcome would have been "cleared" but with reduced compensation. Anything to get one over Murdoch. But the sad thing is that I don't think the SSP have come out of this with any credit either. I certainly view their actions as class treachery and am glad that I walked when I did; even if I did loose some comrades in the process. But the struggle goes on...

And i'm sure you were saying the same thing when it was Jeffrey Archer on trial for perjury? Or was that different because he was a Tory?

[jaggybunnet]

And i'm sure you were saying the same thing when it was Jeffrey Archer on trial for perjury? Or was that different because he was a Tory?

 

 

Of course it was, they are bitter and twisted socialists with massive we are the poor downtrodden minority chip on there shoulder.

[Meister Jag]

To get up in the morning????

 

idealy i would have IT do 7 years and news of the screws paying the costs of the case and for sad sack to stay in jail... but you cant have everything so, the 7 years bit will do

 

Seek urgent medical help... NOW! You're clearly going soft in your old age - only seven years! But no problem with your suggestion that NoW pays the court costs. But is a custodial sentence really necessary? This is just the State seeking revenge and all this does is to make sheridan into a socialist martyr of sorts.

 

Had Sheridan been an Italian politician his standing would probably have increased. Just a thought...

[jaggybunnet]

1. Seriously glad that you're okay - was a little worried and want you fit and well to be able to post when your coalition falls on it's ar**. It's but a matter of time; but gawd knows what will take over as New Labour Mark II has no answers.

 

2. For a Millwall fan (home of the NF and all that...) I actually quite like Bob Crow even if he's not doing what Sheridan did in the past i.e. to the average wage of a skilled worker. But remember I'm not his biggest fan; but fair's fair. What he (Crow that is) does is to fight for his members and if you check year-on-year wage increases, he's doing a good job. In private industry he'd probably be bonused up to his sphincter. Wages are actually:

 

His basic pay rose from £84,923 in 2008 to £94,747 at the end of last year, according to figures published by the RMT. Bob Crow's overall pay package rose from £122,167 to £133,183 last year.

On top of this he claimed £9,989 in expenses and £2,376 in travel costs, taking his total income to £145,548. All declared and legitimate. Oh, and the train operators also benefited from increased profits (and a great subsidy from government than when nationalised under Old Labour); so everyone was happy. As productive a partnership between the employer and worker as you'll get. Now what the Tories want to elsewhere; well, we all know what that is...

 

But I guess the rail shareholders won't be happy when I get in power nationalise the railways and have Tories picking up dog sh** with their teeth as part of their community service for crimes against the State. A wee footnote is that since de-nationalised, the rail subsidy has increased by over 300% year-on-year. Guess who's footing the bill? Yip, mugs like you and me. Fiscal madness and not in the interests of anyone.

 

 

this has got your friend Bobs marks all over it.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12066994

[Meister Jag]

And i'm sure you were saying the same thing when it was Jeffrey Archer on trial for perjury? Or was that different because he was a Tory?

 

What's being a Tory got to do with anything? No need to turn all party political. Crimes against literature mate!

[jaggybunnet]

Seek urgent medical help... NOW! You're clearly going soft in your old age - only seven years! But no problem with your suggestion that NoW pays the court costs. But is a custodial sentence really necessary? This is just the State seeking revenge and all this does is to make sheridan into a socialist martyr laughing stock of sorts.

Had Sheridan been an Italian politician his standing would probably have increased. Just a thought...

 

not allowed to hang them now sadly

 

sorted that bit for you and that ***** from italy should be put down.

[jaggybunnet]

What's being a Tory got to do with anything? No need to turn all party political. Crimes against literature mate!

 

 

i think he may be hinting that you may have had a different view it that case.

[Meister Jag]

this has got your friend Bobs marks all over it.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12066994

 

FFS Jaggy, you're on a roll tonight - watch the old blood pressure; this could be too much excitement for you mate. RMT accounts are audited and are in the public domain. Do you seriously think Crow would be that stupid?

 

Put it this way, if you were a train driver, who would you want as a union leader? Don't answer that - probably Mussolini!

[Meister Jag]

i think he may be hinting that you may have had a different view it that case.

 

Don't I know it and I'm not biting; or am I? The sentencing will be interesting and will no doubt involve the Establishment putting the boot in big time. As the old joke goes:

 

A: How long will Tommy be in jail?

 

B: About 3 years.

 

A: But what did he do? Murder, rape or theft?

 

B: No, nothing really...

 

A: But for nothing, you get only 2 years in this country!"

 

 

[jaggybunnet]

FFS Jaggy, you're on a roll tonight - watch the old blood pressure; this could be too much excitement for you mate. RMT accounts are audited and are in the public domain. Do you seriously think Crow would be that stupid?

 

Put it this way, if you were a train driver, who would you want as a union leader? Don't answer that - probably Mussolini!

 

and, so are polititions and they are all squeaky clean..... arnt they

 

 

yes i do, it seem to happen to the power hungry all the time.

 

some one who would help me and was not trying to further his career.

 

and the drivers are wanting triple pay and a day inlieu, wht planet are they on that they think thats right.

 

and they have the cheek to try and justify it by stating this crap below.

 

 

(From BBC Web site)

Aslef spokesman Steve Grant said: "People in the supermarkets and retail sector are being paid triple time. Bankers are being given big bonuses. Why can't we be rewarded as well?"

 

let me see, supermarket worker on 15-20k a year LU Driver 40+K a year. :mad2:

[Meister Jag]

and, so are polititions and they are all squeaky clean..... arnt they

 

 

yes i do, it seem to happen to the power hungry all the time.

 

some one who would help me and was not trying to further his career.

 

and the drivers are wanting triple pay and a day inlieu, wht planet are they on that they think thats right.

 

and they have the cheek to try and justify it by stating this crap below.

 

 

(From BBC Web site)

Aslef spokesman Steve Grant said: "People in the supermarkets and retail sector are being paid triple time. Bankers are being given big bonuses. Why can't we be rewarded as well?"

 

let me see, supermarket worker on 15-20k a year LU Driver 40+K a year. :mad2:

 

Bob Crow is the RMT Gen Sec; so now't to do with Aslef. But as I've said before, the job of a Union is to look after its members; so I personally have no problem with what they're trying to achieve. Think CBI, BMA, POF, Tory party etc... all self-interest groups at the end of the day. Just wait and see what your Tory mates have in store for us all over the next few months. Hate to say it, but this mob could end up making Thatcher look like a saint. (Can't believe I actuallty typed that!)

 

When analysed though, train drivers actually provide a public service. Now the bankers and city-types who got us into this mess... therein lies your problem; not well paid workers.

[jaggybunnet]

Bob Crow is the RMT Gen Sec; so now't to do with Aslef. But as I've said before, the job of a Union is to look after its members; so I personally have no problem with what they're trying to achieve. Think CBI, BMA, POF, Tory party etc... all self-interest groups at the end of the day. Just wait and see what your Tory mates have in store for us all over the next few months. Hate to say it, but this mob could end up making Thatcher look like a saint. (Can't believe I actuallty typed that!)

 

When analysed though, train drivers actually provide a public service. Now the bankers and city-types who got us into this mess... therein lies your problem; not well paid workers.

 

what I seem to be picking up from your posts is a bit of double standards, If you are part of

 

***Meister Jags*** gang

 

you can do what you want because you are part of the downtrodden masses (even when they are better paid than most)and every one picks on you.....aaawwwww

 

the LU strike (IMHO) is everything that is wrong with the Unions, it is really them trying to flex there muscles and nothing to do with injustice to there workers

 

 

yes they bloody are, 40+K a year is well paid (better paid than me anyway)

 

 

sorry, forgot to add, the Tories are picking up the pieces after a inept and corrupt labour government who do what they always do which is turn the public sector into a bloated monster which cant be sustained then leave it to the Tories to sort out.

I don't like the cuts, but can understand why they have to be done, unlike all the lefties who are still wanting to spend money we don't have

Edited December 24, 2010 by jaggybunnet

[Uncle Psychosis]

sorry, forgot to add, the Tories are picking up the pieces after a inept and corrupt labour government who do what they always do which is turn the public sector into a bloated monster which cant be sustained then leave it to the Tories to sort out.

I don't like the cuts, but can understand why they have to be done, unlike all the lefties who are still wanting to spend money we don't have

 

Except we would have the money. If we got rid of trident, stopped fighting illegal wars in the middle east (yes I know the evil baby eating loony lefty red terror labour party started those wars) and made the super rich actually pay their tax then we wouldn't need to do things like cutting housing benefit for the poorest members of society.

 

I think what I disagree with most about politics with you jaggybunnet is your constant implications that if the Tories had been in power for the last fifteen years we wouldn't be in this mess. They wouldn't have reigned in the banks any more than Labour did. The Labour government have a lot to answer for but they weren't in power in Greece, or Iceland, or the USA, or Spain, or Portugal, or any of the other countries whose economies have had it hard. The current crisis would have hit one way or another regardless of which politician happened to be in Downing St at the time.

 

To be honest, I think that anyone who tries to claim that one mainstream party is better than an other is deluding themselves. They've all repeatedly proven themselves incompetent. I said it before and I'll say it again---arguing over whether the Tories are better than the Lib Dems or the Labour party is a bit like arguing over whether you'd rather burn, freeze, or starve to death. They're ALL a bunch of charlatans who will do whats in the best interest of their mates, their lobbyists, and their rich donors rather than whats best for Joe Bloggs in Glasgow or Birmingham or Swansea. Thats whats so depressing about modern politics.

 

Merry Christmas by the way

Edited December 24, 2010 by Uncle Psychosis

[alx]

First text of the day passed without further comment(!):

 

"Oh I'm the king of the swingers yeah, used to rule the SSP. Unzipped my flies and told some lies, then got done for perjury."

[Meister Jag]

what I seem to be picking up from your posts is a bit of double standards, If you are part of

 

***Meister Jags*** gang

 

you can do what you want because you are part of the downtrodden masses (even when they are better paid than most)and every one picks on you.....aaawwwww What exactly is your point? Is it me personally you're having a go at and what double-standards are you alluding to? If you follow my train of thought you'll see that I do not deviate from the "party" line. Democratic centralism and the dictatorship of the proletariat is what I'm all about. But you can all have pokey hats and 99s on the May Day holiday.

 

the LU strike (IMHO) is everything that is wrong with the Unions, it is really them trying to flex there muscles and nothing to do with injustice to there workers

 

 

yes they bloody are, 40+K a year is well paid (better paid than me anyway) TBQH, I don't begrudge any hard working person a wage. Why would I? What you honestly earn is not my concern and I wish you well. However, I would like to see is a number of the tax avoiding super-rich being brought to heel. The ones who duck, dive and fraudulently avoiding paying their way. (Before you rip your tights; this does not relate to the honest guys who earn a lot and pay their way. Just the crooks that you get off on; to include spiv bankers, accountants, lawyers etc. [As generous a catch-all as I can come up with to annoy you and your cronies!]) Their contribution to the so-called "deficit" would go a long way to sorting out the fiscal mess that we're told we're in.

 

Yet I seem to recall when the country was much poorer we could start up the NHS and introduce the Welfare State. And as has been mentioned in earlier posts, New Labour haven't come out of any of this with any credit. FFS, how much has Blair wasted on starting illegal wars? Let's start with the human costs before moving onto the military costs. Fine that the Establishment go after a so-called firebrand socialist; but really, they should be taking a look at this warmongering murderer first. Oh, and I agree, £40k isn't a bad wage.

 

 

sorry, forgot to add, the Tories are picking up the pieces after a inept and corrupt labour government who do what they always do which is turn the public sector into a bloated monster which cant be sustained then leave it to the Tories to sort out.

I don't like the cuts, but can understand why they have to be done, unlike all the lefties who are still wanting to spend money we don't have Sorry, sort out the unpaid tax mess, withdraw from the wars, increase corporation tax and, BINGO, no need for any cuts! Mervyn King even suggested that this argument was "persuasive" FFS.

 

Sorry to take issue Comrade Jaggy but you do talk one load of utter bo**ocks. Nevertheless, I do respect your opinion. But in the hope that I can bring you over to the side of the righteous I'll leave you with a few chosen words:

 

When looking at all of this - worker's wages to deficit cuts, the measure of any civilised society can be seen in the way it is able to nurture and prepare the next generation. A society that cannot hand over the same living standards and opportunities it has enjoyed is fundamentally flawed; especially when there is no need to cut and slash essential services. You say you don't like the cuts but are happy to go along with them.

 

Going back to the student threads, it can be argued that by securing a prosperous future for today's youth is the guarantee of a dignified retirement for the older generation i.e. you and me. One generation basically hands over the baton to the next... Yet the crisis of capitalism threatens all of this; and none of this is the fault of the average person in the street. Although folk like you will believe the Daily Mail and blame it all on civil servants or council workers.

 

Rising unemployment and attacks on the infrastructure of society, housing, social services and education means increased exposure and lost opportunities for the most vulnerable citizens. The planned deficit cuts mean that a whole layer of young people risk being lost in a vicious circle of unemployment and temporary work, of cuts in benefits, declining living standards and lost opportunity. In short, the very party you support is turning back the clock and is creating a class society that earlier Tory governments had promised to abolish. Remember Thatcher's claims of a "classless society"? It seems a million miles away. IMO, this just shows how out of touch your masters were when they were engaging in social engineering in the 80s and 90s and how out of touch they are now.

 

But maybe you don't subscribe to this notion as "right is might". Having read a few of your rants, I'm guessing that in your free market utopia the free and brave would be able to seize the world. This perhaps explains the need to maintain the ruling class in an eternal war for life, for land, for love, for women, for power, and for gold. The earth and its treasures is really just "booty for the bold" and you want it all for you and yours. (With apologies if I'm generalising but this old class warrior is on a roll here... )

 

As Stalin once said of the ruling class: When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use. Basically, the people will have the last laugh and will come back as both judge and jury!

 

Pick through this and remember that there is an alternative to being downtrodden and miserable. But most importantly: Have a good Christmas! Веселого Рождества и счастливого Нового года

Edited December 24, 2010 by Meister Jag

[Woodstock Jag]

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the most ironic thing ever concocted.

[Blackpool Jags]

I'm with you on all of the above, MJ, but the reason I'm happy to see Sheridan banged up is precisely because of the damage he did to the Left cause in Scotland, and how he set back the cause of socialism more than a hunner Thatchers could ever have done.

 

I've met one or two of the witnesses who testified against him in this and the original court case, albeit a good few years ago now. But I'm as sure as I'll ever be that they are good, honest, committed socialists and that they are the real victims in this, not Tommy and his wife.

 

The great socialist leaders of the past - far too many to mention - would never have contemplated doing anything to compromise the cause and, by and large, were totally selfless throughout their political lives, Sheridan went out his way to court controversy, media attention and his own celebrity in equal measure. Socialism could never happen via one person, let alone in one country. I've canvassed for him in the (distant) past as have many other good people who I know well. Most of them will tell you that he'd typically slope off early from any leafletting/flyer campaign to go and get his Nat King off this or that one. Ok, so what? But it was his almost manic obsession of being at the centre of absolutely anything and everything that was his drug. People knew this and tired eventually of it.

 

It's only my view, but to call long-standing, dyed-in-the-wool socialists 'scabs' before the media was the ultimate insult. Each one of those people had openly qualified their testimony at the outset of their evidence by denouncing the rancid entity that is Murdoch's News International. They were patently not testifying in order to aid and abet the NI cause but were simply speaking under oath. Nothing else could reasonably have been expected of anybody in their situations.

 

The fact that the one organisation which, hitherto, had the potential - if not the actual power - to put a serious dent in Murdoch's sprawling, cancerous media circus, is now an impotent shadow of its former self, is squarely and incontrovertibly the fault of one Mr Thomas Sheridan.

 

Damn him for that.

[McKennan]

Yesterday's eye-opener came from Bob Bird of NOTW, who said his rag wasn't afraid to investigate 'the powerful'. I'm sure Suntan Tommy must have been flattered by that.

 

Gotta love politics: lie to start a war that kills hundreds of thousands and sends a country into the privatised dark ages - okay with News International; lie because you dipped someone other than your spouse - News International puts out its guardian of the public morality costume and falls to the floor in a faint.