Bedroom Tax?

[DPO]

Im suprised this topic has not been discussed on the forum, maybe it has and i missed it, anyway does anyone know when the next Anti bedroom Tax protest march will take place in Glasgow?

 

 

Feel free to post your comments on this unfair tax on the poor, just like the Poll tax history repeating itself!

[GrantB]

Jaggybunnet will be along in a minute to tell us what a good idea it is...

[jaggybunnet]

Jaggybunnet will be along in a minute to tell us what a good idea it is...

 

[GrantB]

 

That was quick! I'm impressed.

[Guy Incognito]

 

https://www.facebook...473615/?fref=ts

 

You could say hello to Jaggybunnet while you are there.

[The Devil's Point]

I take it this is about the new "Social Sector Size Criteria" rules? .

 

To be fair, there is an issue with trying to free up under-occupied property to ease overcrowding elsewhere. However, the whole thing is blatantly a nonsense (and effectively a tax) given that there is a lack of suitable alternative social housing for people to downsize to. I think it is also ridiculous to suggest people can simply take in a lodger to make use of a spare room (surely not that simple for most people).

 

I find it hard to believe the government are prepared to implement this given that it won't even save an enormous amount in public expenditure terms. Must be one of the worst thought out policies in memory, and I reckon housing associations are going to suffer big time over this, particularly if a "can't pay, won't pay" type of approach takes hold.

 

I think something does need done about under-occupancy in the social housing sector, although this should have been implemented over a far longer period, and only when suitable alternative accommodation was actually available.

 

Terrible policy. Terrible politics.

[Partick Panther]

My wife says that as I'm soooo Quick in the Nookie stakes that we shouldn't have to pay Bedroom Tax as we're not in it long enough!!!

[The Mighty Quinn]

it's actually very ironic the socialists are greetin about a bedroom tax, coz that's where these students spend most of their day, watchin murder she wrote and doing the guardian crossword. god, the tories might scare them out their bedroom and make them all run to faslane or to another lie down protest to stop another autobahn. Live the dream but socialists. yer full of shit but int you? yer all capitalists when it suits you. i've saw youze standing at your beatnik stands in george sq and buchanan st. youze sell that worker bumwad newspaper for 2 quid n it's only 8 pages big. no way does that cost 2 quid to make. (capitalist socialists, better be careful or people might start calling you national socialists lol) if u were such a socialist u'd be doin it for cost price, which is probably nothing. in fact, you shid be paying people to read your voice of alzheimer nonsense. get in the real world, brush yer teeth, get a respectable hair cut and get a job like the rest of us. earn respect, no one hands it out willy nilly. U think the world owes u a bloody living. more front than brighton the lot of u. i'm not having a go, just tryin to life coach you all so u can all stop being so crap in the future. oh and you're all welcome by the way

Edited May 27, 2013 by The Mighty Quinn

[The Mighty Quinn]

grow up

[The Mighty Quinn]

aye and stop readin the guardian

[Meister Jag]

it's actually very ironic the socialists are greetin about a bedroom tax, coz that's where these students spend most of their day, watchin murder she wrote and doing the guardian crossword. god, the tories might scare them out their bedroom and make them all run to faslane or to another lie down protest to stop another autobahn. Live the dream but socialists. yer full of shit but int you? yer all capitalists when it suits you. i've saw youze standing at your beatnik stands in george sq and buchanan st. youze sell that worker bumwad newspaper for 2 quid n it's only 8 pages big. no way does that cost 2 quid to make. (capitalist socialists, better be careful or people might start calling you national socialists lol) if u were such a socialist u'd be doin it for cost price, which is probably nothing. in fact, you shid be paying people to read your voice of alzheimer nonsense. get in the real world, brush yer teeth, get a respectable hair cut and get a job like the rest of us. earn respect, no one hands it out willy nilly. U think the world owes u a bloody living. more front than brighton the lot of u. i'm not having a go, just tryin to life coach you all so u can all stop being so crap in the future. oh and you're all welcome by the way

 

Here we go, it's lets have a go at Guardian readers and stoodents time. You really are Jaggybunnet's Mini-Me; problem is that our resident Tory is in a class of his own when comes to trying to wind the forum up.

 

Why not try to analyse the tax and then come on and tell us why it's fair. For example, there's been no word on those who let out entire London properties while billing taxpayers for a second flat's rent. A good example of such a public-spirited individual is the Communities Minister Don Foster. Even the Lib Dem' lapdogs are allowed to make a quick buck while they dine at the master's top table. The poor get screwed every time. One rule for one lot as they trouser as much cash as they can because they know how the system works.

 

In the real world - and I know you live in your own personal hell, hating everyone - those living in council flats or renting from housing associations face a 14 per cent benefit cut if the local authority decides they have a spare bedroom and stand to lose a full quarter of their housing benefit if they have two or more spare rooms. All in all, more than 660,000 households will be affected with each losing an average £728 a year. If you're on benefit that's quite a lot of money. With the average housing benefit pegged at around £107 a week, that's the equivalent of stopping each household's payments entirely for a month and a half. How fair is that?

 

So why is this being done? Could successive governments have failed to build enough affordable council houses to meet needs? Meanwhile, there's evidence that folk like Foster can build up massive rental property portfolios and make a mint from who? Well you and me and the taxpayer that's who. Don't we ultimately pay the Housing Benefit bill?

 

But all you'll see are scoungers and dole cheats. This is nothing to do with socialism by the way; only fairness I'm just pointing out that if this or any government was serious about tackling get rich quick scams, this one would have been stopped yonks ago. The audit trail goes back to your blessed Thatcher incidentally. Council houses were a national asset that she sold off. Replaced them with basically sweet f*** all!

Edited May 28, 2013 by Meister Jag

[twinny]

The problem is that after council tenants were given the right to buy their houses, nothing was done to replace the lost social housing. As a result housing prices and private rent prices have rocketed with successive governments refusing to increase the number of houses available for fear of a negative effect on the over-inflated housing market. House and rental prices need to come down, they are ridiculous, and making social housing available would start this cascade needed to sort things out, even if it pisses off all those house owners who will end up in negative equity.

[Meister Jag]

The problem is that after council tenants were given the right to buy their houses, nothing was done to replace the lost social housing. As a result housing prices and private rent prices have rocketed with successive governments refusing to increase the number of houses available for fear of a negative effect on the over-inflated housing market. House and rental prices need to come down, they are ridiculous, and making social housing available would start this cascade needed to sort things out, even if it pisses off all those house owners who will end up in negative equity.

 

Spot on and even Mr Bunnet likes this!! Like an oil tanker turning, he's moving to the left... The Mighty Quinn will no doubt see things in his own Alf Garnett "Jesus was English" kind of way.

[jaggybunnet]

Spot on and even Mr Bunnet likes this!! Like an oil tanker turning, he's moving to the left... The Mighty Quinn will no doubt see things in his own Alf Garnett "Jesus was English" kind of way.

 

nothing to do with the left, just common sense

[Partick Panther]

Something similar over here in Oz. Younger family members left at home after the parents passed away are allowed to keep the council house and let whoever live there for the same rent. Now however someone in parliament has come up with the idea of kicking these younger family members out as they are keeping Real Adult families from getting a chance a suitable housing. Some of these so called Parentless Children have been living the high life with minimum rent to pay and several of their so called friends living with them even although their parents passed away years ago. You drive past these houses and there are 2,3 and even 4 cars in the driveway and there is always the obligatory Satellite Dish on the roof and sometimes 2 of them. Some even have a Caravan in the back yard as well as a boat. Probably the same where you live. It's just not right in my book.

[Meister Jag]

nothing to do with the left, just common sense

 

Jaggy, slowly but surely you're on the turn mate. Next thing you'll be demonstrating in the streets. I'll be at my club, but that's not the point; or is it?

[jaggybunnet]

Jaggy, slowly but surely you're on the turn mate. Next thing you'll be demonstrating in the streets. I'll be at my club, but that's not the point; or is it?

 

think it may be the other way MJ ... turn away from the dark side Mj you know it make sense

[Noel Edmonds]

it's actually very ironic the socialists are greetin about a bedroom tax, coz that's where these students spend most of their day, watchin murder she wrote and doing the guardian crossword. god, the tories might scare them out their bedroom and make them all run to faslane or to another lie down protest to stop another autobahn. Live the dream but socialists. yer full of shit but int you? yer all capitalists when it suits you. i've saw youze standing at your beatnik stands in george sq and buchanan st. youze sell that worker bumwad newspaper for 2 quid n it's only 8 pages big. no way does that cost 2 quid to make. (capitalist socialists, better be careful or people might start calling you national socialists lol) if u were such a socialist u'd be doin it for cost price, which is probably nothing. in fact, you shid be paying people to read your voice of alzheimer nonsense. get in the real world, brush yer teeth, get a respectable hair cut and get a job like the rest of us. earn respect, no one hands it out willy nilly. U think the world owes u a bloody living. more front than brighton the lot of u. i'm not having a go, just tryin to life coach you all so u can all stop being so crap in the future. oh and you're all welcome by the way

You're well suited to the role.

[Blackpool Jags]

Surely if there's going to be a bedroom tax it should be rated on the amount of activity that goes on inside it. It's grossly unfair to tax a household on the basis of some wee dank, unused 6' x 6' room that's main use is for keeping old books and lego sets and the like, when right next door there's a swanky 14' x 12' en suite number with a 47" flat screen telly with blue ray DVD player. Not to mention all the, em, carnal activity and god knows what other forms of enjoyment that typically take place in there.

 

Come on HM Government, get this unfairness sorted.

[Norgethistle]

Doesn't matter what tax comes out by what side, the opposition is always going to find a way to rubbish it and people are going to claim its unfair to them, then complain the country has no money and there are no library's schools garbage collection etc.

 

Standard 35 % tax on all earnings over the initial threshold

Standard 1% tax on the value of the house as your rates

Standard 35% tax on all businesses earning above the threshold

 

Everyone pays the same rate (NO EXCEPTIONS), no one is discriminated against.

[DPO]

Doesn't matter what tax comes out by what side, the opposition is always going to find a way to rubbish it and people are going to claim its unfair to them, then complain the country has no money and there are no library's schools garbage collection etc.

 

Standard 35 % tax on all earnings over the initial threshold

Standard 1% tax on the value of the house as your rates

Standard 35% tax on all businesses earning above the threshold

 

Everyone pays the same rate (NO EXCEPTIONS), no one is discriminated against.

 

Well said Mr Diddy Cameron

[Norgethistle]

Well said Mr Diddy Cameron

 

And its wrong how? or should we tax those that have worked hard and dragged themselves up the payscale and the property ladder?

[jaggybunnet]

And its wrong how? or should we tax those that have worked hard and dragged themselves up the payscale and the property ladder?

the loony left will never get it

[DPO]

And its wrong how? or should we tax those that have worked hard and dragged themselves up the payscale and the property ladder?

 

Yes thats right tax the poor who live in a wally close, leave them with just £55 per week to live on, im sure there are having a ball and living a life of opulence!

Just like the poor woman who commited suicide because she could not afford to pay the tax.

You sad little man!

Edited June 5, 2013 by DPO

[jaggybunnet]

Yes thats right tax the poor who live in a wally close, leave them with just £55 per week to live on, im sure there are having a ball and living a life of opulence!

Just like the poor woman who commited suicide because she could not afford to pay the tax.

You sad little man!

 

no she had other mental issues and had been offered help and alternative housing.

 

oh it is not a tax.

 

so you want to drag every one down to the lowest level?