The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Nae Roughie factoids up my sleeve, sorry mate. Two clean sheets in his last two Thistle games was a good way to go though, a 4-0 win at East End Park then last game, Partick Thistle 1 Airdrie 0, November 20th 1982. I remember we all thought the Hibs deal was off and there was still hope that he'd stay and see out his career with the Jags. The team came running out for the Airdrie game with the shed chanting his name. Sadly, that proved to be the fond farewell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Wot? No total of shut outs, penalties saved, dribbles outside the box etc. C'mon Jukebox you're letting the side down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 great thread jukey. you got a publishing date for the release of the jaggy factlopedia yet? Jaggy trivia # 148 ... Historian David Ross notes: "Interesting to note the differences between the penalty kick as we know it and as now the lawmakers originally intended: a team had to APPEAL for a penalty a la 'howzat,' the offence had to be within TWELVE yards of the goal, the kick could be taken from ANY point twelve yards from goal and the keeper could advance to within SIX yards of the spot where the kick would be taken." 12 yard circumference of centre of goal, or 12 yards from either post, or a 12 yard invisible box between the 6 and 18 boxes? we need to know! Jaggy factoid # 2143 Dick Campbell's Jags (sorry yoda) won promotion in season 2005-06 and in the process we broke a new Scottish League record - the lowest ever goal difference for a promoted side, just +1. Fortunately, we lost this unwanted accolade when Dumbarton came up from the 2nd Division in 2011-12 with a goal difference of 0. uurgghhh. thanks. another emesis moment. keep that up, i will need a new keyboard. blanked out that blankety blanks name in qoute to attempt avoiding repeat. never liked you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Wot? No total of shut outs, penalties saved, dribbles outside the box etc. C'mon Jukebox you're letting the side down. One day I will have this knowledge. Not today, alas... you got a publishing date for the release of the jaggy factlopedia yet? Free knowledge man. Posted = published. 12 yard circumference of centre of goal, or 12 yards from either post, or a 12 yard invisible box between the 6 and 18 boxes? we need to know! Good question. We need to bring the 19h century alive in the imagination. It was all change for the pitch in 1891. When our John stepped up for the first Thistle penalty he placed the ball on the new 12 yard line which ran all the way across the pitch. There was another new line drawn 6 yards behind that where all the other players had to stand. Check it out... http://www.drcdurham.ca/images/pitch1891.gif A good pic of a real match with the 1891 lines plus some good info on the subject... http://www.soccer.mistral.co.uk/histline.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Good question. We need to bring the 19h century alive in the imagination. It was all change for the pitch in 1891. When our John stepped up for the first Thistle penalty he placed the ball on the new 12 yard line which ran all the way across the pitch. There was another new line drawn 6 yards behind that where all the other players had to stand. Check it out... http://www.drcdurham...s/pitch1891.gif 8 yard boobies? what's that all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Measured as two six yard arcs from each goalpost as per the amended bye kick law of 1873 apparently. Well, this is an education... http://www.soccer.mistral.co.uk/histcorn.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagscast Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 And, by the way, surely a new Jagscast report is long overdue on this thread? You're right. We're currently researching a couple of things and hope to publish our findings on them in the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Consecutive 3+ goal humpings In terms of the "all game" list (i.e. competitive and friendly) such a miserable "3 in a row" has now happened to us 9 times in our history - 1890, 1895, 1897, 1898, 1906, 1908, 1973, 2004 and now 2013… … The last time that it happened was in 2004… 22.02.2004 Celtic [h] L1-4 (SPL) 28.02.2004 Motherwell [a] L0-3 (SPL) 06.03.2004 Dunfermline Athletic [h] L0-3 (Scottish Cup) (Gerry's last competitive goal came against Celtic but offered little consolation.) … and we have to rewind all the way back to 1959 to find the last time that it happened in the League… 19.09.1959 Aberdeen [a] L2-5 (SFL 1st Division) 26.09.1959 Rangers [h] L0-3 (SFL 1st Division) 03.10.1959 Motherwell [a] L0-4 (SFL 1st Division) (David Meiklejohn had died a month before, Jags were managerless. Willie Thornton took charge for the first time against Rangers.) … beyond that, there were two League runs of four… 20.11.1897 Hibernian [h] L0-3 (SFL 1st Division) 04.12.1897 St Bernard's [a] L1-9 (SFL 1st Division) 11.12.1897 Celtic [h] L3-6 (SFL 1st Division) 25.12.1897 Heart of Midlothian [a] L2-6 (SFL 1st Division) (Our first season in the Top Flight was a bit of a struggle at times, but we did enough to survive.) 03.09.1898 Hibernian [h] L1-4 (SFL 1st Division) 10.09.1898 St Bernard's [h] L0-3 (SFL 1st Division) 24.09.1898 St Mirren [h] L1-4 (SFL 1st Division) 01.10.1898 Dundee [a] L1-5 (SFL 1st Division) (Our second season in the top flight was worse than the first and we were voted down although bottom dogs Dundee were spared!) … and the above League run of four in turn contributes to the all-time all-game worst run of five… 03.09.1898 Hibernian [h] L1-4 (SFL 1st Division) 10.09.1898 St Bernard's [h] L0-3 (SFL 1st Division) 17.09.1898 Queen's Park [a] L1-6 (Glasgow Cup) 24.09.1898 St Mirren [h] L1-4 (SFL 1st Division) 01.10.1898 Dundee [a] L1-5 (SFL 1st Division) The end. Hopefully. Edited November 25, 2013 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 Who were this St Bernard's mob? They must have been quite useful if they could horse us 9-1? Do they still exist in some recognisable form, perhaps under another name? Or did they just fade and die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 ^ Aye, they come, they go, we see them all do we not? Airdrieonians, Third Lanark, Rangers, St Bernards, Gretna... St Bernards (1878-1942) joined us in the inaugural Alliance League for two seasons before the SFL expanded to two divisions for 1893-94. We went into the Second whilst they were voted straight in to the First. The decision was probably the right one as St Bernards finished third in their first season - ahead of Rangers. The following season they even won the Scottish Cup. It was all a bit of a flash in the pan though and history tells that, in the long run, they couldn’t compete with Hearts or Hibs for support and finance, with the inevitable knock on effect of poorer results and a lower status than their city rivals. Already, by the time we arrived in the First (i.e. the two seasons mentioned above) they were in the relegation battles along with ourselves. Our 9-1 loss at New Logie Green was bizarre even by Thistle’s standards and shocked the press of the day, the Scotsman describing it as “a great peculiarity”. We went into the game as favourites – we were six points ahead of them at the time - and just 4 weeks earlier we had beaten them 5-3 at Meadowside in the reverse League fixture. In our first Top Flight season it seems Thistle were delighting and frustrating their fans and the newspapers in equal measure… we started off the season by defeating the Scottish champions, Heart of Midlothian, and then, as reported, were losing 9-1 to lesser sides… … history tells us there is always hope for Thistle’s next game… Jaggy quotes # 232 “Partick Thistle are fast qualifying for the title of the most eccentric club in the league. One week they go down with a bang, and the next, when least expected, they come up smiling serenely” ~ the Scottish Sport, 1897 As for the sad demise of St Bernards, they were one of the clubs who never emerged post WW2. The cultured, romantic pen of the late, great Bob Crampsey tells the story beautifully in his wonderful book The Scottish Football League The First 100 Years (1890-1990). You can get a good flavour of the tale on the St Bernards wiki page which pools heavily from Bob’s prose… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bernard's_F.C. And, talking of Thistle’s next game… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup The 129th Scottish Cup is well underway and Sunday marks the beginning of our 122nd attempt to win the grand old tournament. It’s surely only a matter of time until the World’s oldest annual football trophy is bedecked in red and yellow ribbons for the first time. I’m presuming, of course, that the winner’s ribbons of 1921 were in the traditional PTFC dark blue and white of early vintage. Partick Thistle FC weren’t born in time for the commencement of the first three tournaments, and our public park standing was deemed too common for us to be allowed into the next four. After securing new private grounds at Jordanvale, we obtained SFA membership and first took part in 1880-81. Come Sunday, we’ll have appeared in 121 of the 122 tournaments since that point. Our sole non appearance from thereon came in season 1895-96, when we were placed into the first ever Scottish Qualifying Cup, and failed to progress. Incidentally, we were only faced with the ignominy of the Scottish Qualifying Cup on two further occasions, and successfully navigated the course in seasons 1896-97 and 1909-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup In contrast to the League Cup, the Glasgow Cup and the Glasgow Charity Cup, Jags have an overall positive record in the tournament: P – 334, W – 140, D – 75, L – 119, F – 662, A – 519. (walk overs, abandoned and voided games not included) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Our most common progressions 6 progressions Dundee United 5 progressions Kilmarnock Hibernian East Fife Stirling Albion Ayr United 4 progressions Dumbarton Motherwell Queen of the South Stenhousemuir Arbroath Clyde Dundee United you say? Yes, Dundee United. Take that Arabs! Our most common exits 13 exits Rangers 8 exits Dundee Dunfermline Athletic Heart of Midlothian 7 exits Celtic Hibernian Motherwell 6 exits Queen's Park Aberdeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Biggest winning margins 16 goals 17.01.1931 Royal Albert [h] W16-0 (1st Round) 12 goals 30.09.1882 Mavisbank [h] W14-2 (2nd Round) 24.10.1885 Alloa Athletic [a] W12-0 (3rd Round) 11 goals 12.09.1885 Granton [h] W11-0 (1st Round) 12.01.1924 Dunkeld and Birnam [home] W11-0 (1st Round) 10 goals 03.09.1887 Westbourne [h] W10-0 (1st Round) Biggest losing margins 10 goals 03.12.1881 Queen's Park [a] L0-10 (5th Round) 7 goals 29.01.1969 Celtic [a] L1-8 (1st Round) 5 goals 17.02.1900 Rangers [h] L1-6 (Quarter Final) 12.01.1901 St Bernard's [a] L0-5 (1st Round) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy factoid # 1880 300 persons attended our very first Scottish Cup tie away back in October 1880 - a one nil derby victory over Jordanhill courtesy of an early goal from Hugh Beaton. Respectable as it was at the time, it stands as our all-time lowest reported crowd in the grand old tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy factoid # 1930 Seven of Thistle’s ten biggest crowds were for Scottish Cup matches. Our two all-time largest attendances occurred within the space of a four day period in 1930. 107,475 were at Hampden on 12th April 1930 to watch us draw 0-0 with Rangers in the Scottish Cup Final. In the replay 4 days later 103,688 turned out for the 6pm kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 The "progressions" positive statistic is a nice one, as I feel as if we've had some pretty miserable Scottish Cup experiences over the last 30 years or so. But history doesn't make our chances on Sunday look too good…... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy trivia # 446 Thistle were on a great run in the 1887-88 tournament - having defeated Rangers we then put Kilmarnock out – but we took two attempts to do so. In the first game at Inchview (5th November 1887) we “stung” Killie with a late equalizer to make it 2-2, forcing the replay. Niall Kennedy's research notes that the subsequent press report was the first time that we’d been referred to as “The Jags”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggernaut, I refer you to the Jaggy Quote of post # 260. Keep the faith man! Jaggy trivia # 77 Thistle threatened to sue the Caledonian Railway Company after a near disastrous first round tie at Galston in January 1900. We had agreed in advance that the Glasgow to Ayrshire train would stop at Gorbals to pick up John Blackwood and William Goudie, both of whom were key regulars. Alas, the train sped right through the station, leaving our boys stranded on the platform. John and William could only watch on in dismay as their teammates steamed away down the track towards Ayrshire without them. Galston had won the Scottish Qualifying Cup and were reckoned as a match for the best teams in the land, especially on their home turf. Thistle gambled on starting the game with nine men, hoping that their missing duo would arrive soon. The gamble backfired when Galston took the lead in the first minute, then missed a penalty shortly afterwards. That was enough for Thistle to send on replacements. McDougall and McDonald brought the numbers back to eleven and Thistle came back with goals from McDougall and McNicol to win 2-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy trivia # 502 On Saturday 29th Oct 1881, no ref turned up for our Scottish Cup 3rd Round replay vs. Petershill. The game was played anyway and Jags won 2-0. However, the result was voided - but it was nothing to do with the fact that there was no ref. The SFA decreed that “the enclosures had not been properly kept”. We won the replayed replay 3-2 AET and, this time, the Jordanvale faithful steered well clear off the pitch and the result stood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy quotes # 88 To beat the existing Scottish Cup holders was a BIG deal for any ambitious club in the burgeoning Association Football scene in 19th century Scotland. Thistle did it for the first time, 9 years after our formation. Ever upwardly mobile in aspiration for the club (luckily for us), our great great great Jags grandfaithers and mithers were in raptures when Thistle defeated Renton, 2-1 in a friendly in March 1885. The Scottish Umpire described the atmosphere at Muir Park thus: “The scene that ensued almost baffles description – men, women and children giving vent to one exultant yell.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy quotes # 89 Following Thistles landmark victory against the Scottish Cup holders, Renton, in March 1885… “The gate at Muir Park against Renton was the largest this season and combined with the result of the match put every Partickonian in the best of temper”. ~ The Scottish Umpire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup A teaser for you… Beating the existing Scottish Cup holders became no biggie for Thistle as the years passed by. To date we have done this on 66 occasions. We defeated St Mirren 3 times in 1926 and 1927 whilst they were still Scottish Cup holders. Great stuff. We defeated Rangers 3 times in 1950 and 1951 whilst they were still Scottish Cup holders. Completely excellent. However, as good as those stats are, they pale into insignificance when compared to the record for the category. Once, we beat a certain team 10 times whilst they were still Scottish Cup holders. For a cyber pint, can you name the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy factoid # 1264 The odds of being knocked out of the Scottish Cup three seasons in a row by the same team would easily exceed 1,000 to 1. Despite this, it has occurred twice. We fell victim to Dundee in 1911, 1912 and 1913, and to Dunfermline Athletic in 1966, 1967 and 1968. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Scottish Cup Jaggy trivia # 162 In 1921, a gruelling campaign had taken its toll and the subsequent injury list meant that Partick Thistle only had 12 players to choose from for the Scottish Cup Final. George Easton chose well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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