uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Germany = state owned world leading rail services. UK = privatised ageing pish rail service. There is a reason we don't have football specials or extra/designated trains on matchdays - the railway is run for private profit not for the public good. Look at the ridiculous situations you got the past couple of years with 5.30pm FA Cup Finals, all the fans from the north west had 2 trains they could get home and that's the lot. Now a public rail service run for the public can have train after train waiting at Wembley Station to take fans directly to their home town. Instead they all need to get back in to Euston and use regular services, private company isn't interested in 'doing a turn' for the football fans. You could apply the same logic to this afternoon. We could have a Thistle express going to Dingwall and back for £30 a skull. For the Aberdeen Monday night kick off they could run a special late night train home for Jags fans. But there is no reason for a private company to do this, we are an inconvenience, at best they break even, it might even run at a slight loss so why would they bother? It's not whats good for the people its whats good for the company. Vote Yes for a re-nationalised railway that benefits those who use it rather than the people who run it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Germany = state owned world leading rail services. UK = privatised ageing pish rail service. There is a reason we don't have football specials or extra/designated trains on matchdays - the railway is run for private profit not for the public good. Look at the ridiculous situations you got the past couple of years with 5.30pm FA Cup Finals, all the fans from the north west had 2 trains they could get home and that's the lot. Now a public rail service run for the public can have train after train waiting at Wembley Station to take fans directly to their home town. Instead they all need to get back in to Euston and use regular services, private company isn't interested in 'doing a turn' for the football fans. You could apply the same logic to this afternoon. We could have a Thistle express going to Dingwall and back for £30 a skull. For the Aberdeen Monday night kick off they could run a special late night train home for Jags fans. But there is no reason for a private company to do this, we are an inconvenience, at best they break even, it might even run at a slight loss so why would they bother? It's not whats good for the people its whats good for the company. Vote Yes for a re-nationalised railway that benefits those who use it rather than the people who run it. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Germany = state owned world leading rail services. UK = privatised ageing pish rail service. There is a reason we don't have football specials or extra/designated trains on matchdays - the railway is run for private profit not for the public good. Look at the ridiculous situations you got the past couple of years with 5.30pm FA Cup Finals, all the fans from the north west had 2 trains they could get home and that's the lot. Now a public rail service run for the public can have train after train waiting at Wembley Station to take fans directly to their home town. Instead they all need to get back in to Euston and use regular services, private company isn't interested in 'doing a turn' for the football fans. You could apply the same logic to this afternoon. We could have a Thistle express going to Dingwall and back for £30 a skull. For the Aberdeen Monday night kick off they could run a specia late night train home for Jags fans. But there is no reason for a private company to do this, we are an inconvenience, at best they break even, it might even run at a slight loss so why would they bother? It's not whats good for the people its whats good for the company. Vote Yes for a re-nationalised railway that benefits those who use it rather than the people who run it. Very well said, in total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Brilliant! The "no" campaigners want to know why a winning "Yes" vote and independence will improve life in Scotland. And here's one of the answers.... special trains for the fitba' ! Certainly gets my vote! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Germany = state owned world leading rail services. UK = privatised ageing pish rail service. There is a reason we don't have football specials or extra/designated trains on matchdays - the railway is run for private profit not for the public good. Look at the ridiculous situations you got the past couple of years with 5.30pm FA Cup Finals, all the fans from the north west had 2 trains they could get home and that's the lot. Now a public rail service run for the public can have train after train waiting at Wembley Station to take fans directly to their home town. Instead they all need to get back in to Euston and use regular services, private company isn't interested in 'doing a turn' for the football fans. You could apply the same logic to this afternoon. We could have a Thistle express going to Dingwall and back for £30 a skull. For the Aberdeen Monday night kick off they could run a special late night train home for Jags fans. But there is no reason for a private company to do this, we are an inconvenience, at best they break even, it might even run at a slight loss so why would they bother? It's not whats good for the people its whats good for the company. Vote Yes for a re-nationalised railway that benefits those who use it rather than the people who run it. Deutsche Bahn bought Arriva in 2010 and now has four rail franchises (including the Tyne & Wear Metro) in the UK. The Wembley arrangements that you highlight are in place for the Scotland-England game next week. You could buy two packages from the SFA that included direct train travel with Virgin to and from Wembley. Epic fail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Brilliant! The "no" campaigners want to know why a winning "Yes" vote and independence will improve life in Scotland. And here's one of the answers.... special trains for the fitba' ! Certainly gets my vote! When did the SNP state they would re-privatize the rail network?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Deutsche Bahn bought Arriva in 2010 and now has four rail franchises (including the Tyne & Wear Metro) in the UK. The Wembley arrangements that you highlight are in place for the Scotland-England game next week. You could buy two packages from the SFA that included direct train travel with Virgin to and from Wembley. Epic fail! Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Wow Germany has a the largest rail franchise market in Europe. Local authorities will be awarding 35 contracts over the next two years. Uberteeb should check his facts before writing politically-motivated crap on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Deutsche Bahn bought Arriva in 2010 and now has four rail franchises (including the Tyne & Wear Metro) in the UK. The Wembley arrangements that you highlight are in place for the Scotland-England game next week. You could buy two packages from the SFA that included direct train travel with Virgin to and from Wembley. Epic fail! Yes, Deutsche Bahn run franchises in the UK (receiving huge subsidies from the UK government) and re-invest their UK made profits into the German state railyway. What kind of shitty deal is that for the UK public? The rail service you talk about to Wembley was all organised by the Tartan Army and is a 'private train'. *facepalm* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Yes, Deutsche Bahn run franchises in the UK (receiving huge subsidies from the UK government) and re-invest their UK made profits into the German state railyway. What kind of shitty deal is that for the UK public? The rail service you talk about to Wembley was all organised by the Tartan Army and is a 'private train'. *facepalm* Care to answer the point about the nationalization of Scotfail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Care to answer the point about the nationalization of Scotfail? Nationalisation will not happen in the UK. It can happen in an independent Scotland. There have already been murmerings of doing this when the Scotrail franchise ends and is at least a topic for discussion up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Nationalisation will not happen in the UK. It can happen in an independent Scotland. There have already been murmerings of doing this when the Scotrail franchise ends and is at least a topic for discussion up here. So, it could happen rather than will happen. The referendum next year is on independence, not nationalization of the rail network in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 So, it could happen rather than will happen. The referendum next year is on independence, not nationalization of the rail network in Scotland. Clever boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) Clever boy Cleverer than you (admittedly, that's not difficult). Edited August 10, 2013 by Charlie Endell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 So, it could happen rather than will happen. The referendum next year is on independence, not nationalization of the rail network in Scotland. It could happen under independence -- it definitely won't happen under a government run in Westminster which has rarely represented the people of Scotland. Anything can be up for debate and change with the real opportunity for our voices to be heard instead of ignored completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Nationalisation will not happen in the UK. It can happen in an independent Scotland. There have already been murmerings of doing this when the Scotrail franchise ends and is at least a topic for discussion up here. you are either to young to remember the railways when they were nationalised or just didn't use them, they were dirty old and late, and that's the best i can say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 you are either to young to remember the railways when they were nationalised or just didn't use them, they were dirty old and late, or on strike, and that's the best i can say Plus were costing the tax payer an absolute fortune 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Uberteeb is completely correct that the train service in the UK is a shambolic over-priced joke; and that the rot set in when BR was flogged off by the Tories to their chums in the City. Successive governments (my own party shamefully included) have baulked at the notion of floating the 'N' word for fear of their tongues sliding out of big business's collective ring piece. Eastern European rail services were infinitely better than the UK's in terms of quality and price in the '70s and '80s. The ethos applied there was need before mass profit. Unfortunately these days it's trendy to worship the god of profit and spit on the fallen angel that is need and common sense. If the SNP do de-privatise public services such as the rail and transport networks, then great credit to them. Sorry if that grates with the sensitivities of the Daily Mail readership. Heh heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Yes, Deutsche Bahn run franchises in the UK (receiving huge subsidies from the UK government) and re-invest their UK made profits into the German state railyway. What kind of shitty deal is that for the UK public? The rail service you talk about to Wembley was all organised by the Tartan Army and is a 'private train'. *facepalm* Deutsche Bahn loses money, after subsidies, on its UK franchises. Who is the operator of the Tartan Army private train? Virgin? The deal that I saw on the SFA website included packages that included direct travel on Virgin. The details can still be found on Thomson Sport. "You'll travel with Virgin Trains from Glasgow Central Station at 10:20am down the country direct to Wembley Stadium. "When the final whistle blows, catch your direct train back to Glasgow at around 11.28pm and enjoy a light bite to eat with soft drinks before your arrival at around 5.48am. "We’re Scotland's Official Travel Partner". Here's an example of Virgin operating charter trains to and from Wembley for FA Cup semis. *facepalm* *facepalm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 you are either to young to remember the railways when they were nationalised or just didn't use them, they were dirty old and late, and that's the best i can say Plus were costing the tax payer an absolute fortune Government spending on railways is much higher now than it was under British Rail. Privatisation has failed the public when it comes to the railways. As it has with the utilities. As it will with the NHS. Life's necessities should be provided in the public interest not in the interest of shareholders and private companies. The best railways in the world are state run railways. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/archives/34384 http://fullfact.org/factchecks/taxpayer_subsidy_train_network_nationalisation-3391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Government spending on railways is much higher now than it was under British Rail. Privatisation has failed the public when it comes to the railways. As it has with the utilities. As it will with the NHS. Life's necessities should be provided in the public interest not in the interest of shareholders and private companies. The best railways in the world are state run railways. http://blogs.lse.ac..../archives/34384 http://fullfact.org/...nalisation-3391 Network Rail is a 100% government-owned company. Railtrack was re-nationalised and re-named Network Rail. Subsidies have multiplied several times since re-nationalisation. Aggregated, the train operators pay a net premium to the Department of Transport. You still have not confirmed who is providing the Tartan Army's charter trains to Wembley next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Deutsche Bahn loses money, after subsidies, on its UK franchises. Who is the operator of the Tartan Army private train? Virgin? The deal that I saw on the SFA website included packages that included direct travel on Virgin. The details can still be found on Thomson Sport. "You'll travel with Virgin Trains from Glasgow Central Station at 10:20am down the country direct to Wembley Stadium. "When the final whistle blows, catch your direct train back to Glasgow at around 11.28pm and enjoy a light bite to eat with soft drinks before your arrival at around 5.48am. "We’re Scotland's Official Travel Partner". Here's an example of Virgin operating charter trains to and from Wembley for FA Cup semis. *facepalm* *facepalm* I'm not saying that no trains have ever been run to football matches. But they don't always happen because it is not always in the private train operator's interest to do so. And for that reason the kind of things called for in that report posted by the OP will never happen in the UK. The UK will never nationalise it's railways because no government has the balls to do it. In an independent Scotland there is a realistic chance the railways will be nationalised. UK = no chance of this happening Scotland - chance of this happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'm not saying that no trains have ever been run to football matches. But they don't always happen because it is not always in the private train operator's interest to do so. And for that reason the kind of things called for in that report posted by the OP will never happen in the UK. The UK will never nationalise it's railways because no government has the balls to do it. In an independent Scotland there is a realistic chance the railways will be nationalised. UK = no chance of this happening Scotland - chance of this happening. Railtrack (Network Rail) and East Coast were renationalised by the last Labour Government. Scotland's rail infrastructure is owned by the British Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 You could apply the same logic to this afternoon. We could have a Thistle express going to Dingwall and back for £30 a skull. For the Aberdeen Monday night kick off they could run a special late night train home for Jags fans. But there is no reason for a private company to do this, we are an inconvenience, at best they break even, it might even run at a slight loss so why would they bother? It's not whats good for the people its whats good for the company. Vote Yes for a re-nationalised railway that benefits those who use it rather than the people who run it. Do you honestly expect Scottish taxpayers to subsidise Jags fans to travel by train to Dingwall and Aberdeen? Would you approve of such subsidies for other clubs' fans too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) Germany = state owned world leading rail services. UK = privatised ageing pish rail service. Sounds like the post-war Deutsche Reichsbahn would be your ideal operator. Could be wrong but I believe that German Railways must be state owned as per the post-war Constitution. Edited August 10, 2013 by One t in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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