Jag36

The R number is a lot more of a reliable measure when there are lots of cases. When cases are low it fluctuates a lot more depending on outbreaks clusters ect. Think It was above 3 at one point in Germamy about a month ago when they had consistently low cases after an outbreak at a factory. Point is as cases are at a low level in Scotland the R number becomes less important in terms of indicating how infection rates are changing

Bannigan always wants to take the ball, control the game and be the 'play-maker' problem is he's not that great at it - think hes not a bad player but hes not the player he or McCall thinks he is.. probably good enough to get in the side but not in the role McCall plays him

Richard Foster arguing the science and regulations of covid with the National Clinical Director on sportsound and claiming the Aberdeen players were just niave to the rules- brilliant

The SPFL need to be seen to be doing something..so instead of acting against those involved Celtic, Aberdeen, their players with hefty fines etc, points deductions, they penalise the lower leagues so they can be seen as taking action..while keeping Celtic etc. on side- pathetic

Thought it was interesting that Jason Leitch made it clear that if there were breaches from "now on" ( but not those previous to the "yellow card") then they might shutdown football. Also said that it was likely more stories of previous breaches would emerge in the coming days- seems to suggest he's been told in his meeting with clubs of more players breaking lockdown rules and are just waiting for it to come out.

Would be good to hear a statement from the SFA and SPFL on this..honestly their silence as a governing body at this time is just incredible. Anyone else got a problem with this?

Fair enough it is a wider problem. My point was mainly we couldnt go 2 weeks without a game called off ( but that could be more to do with the cautious approach in Scotland). Whether they work or not there should be harsh penalties for those who break the rules- if football gets called off again puts hundreds of jobs in jeopardy ( nevermind peoples health by not following the rules) and if thats caused by the actions of a few players then that shouldnt just go unpunished. Didn't actually see the Aberdeen players taking much responsibilty in their statement. Something along the lines of ' we couldn't have foreseen the outbreak in Aberdeen when we went out'- Guess what thats the nature of Covid and thats why you follow the rules.The Football authorities have a responsibility to act here..their role is not only to negotiate the next sky deal to line their pockets.

Whats going on with Scottish football..?! No other league seems to have had these problems. No suprise really ... from the way the whole situation has been handled from the top to bottom This now needs some intervention from the SFA and SPFL..fines suspension, docked points etc. for clubs whos players break the rules

Totally sums up scottish football, selfish players, selfish clubs, lack of leadership. Couldn't even make it two weeks without a game called off..don't remember this happening in the 'top flight' anywhere else. What a Joke.

Agree and the 'Family' part just doesnt sit right with me. We are here to compete like every other club ,and that just softens it. By their nature football clubs and fans have a rapport but if you don't perform ultimately you will lose your job. So this 'Family' idea seems to add another dimension of almost unaccountability for failure that i don't think is right for a football club

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Just a small point..but wish they would stop calling it the PTH family. I've been going to games for over 30 years...but its a football club so please just call it that

Think once it went to arbitration it was never going to happen

Haha don't pretend you had some great insight. It was always more likely this was the way it was going to go but given its a Thistle forum the majority of people are probably going to argue our case. The idea you 'called it' with your great legal mind and insight is laughable.

Pretty sure this is not what the courts were getting at when they said the issue would be best resolved within the game. Looks like this could end up back in court depending on the SFA punishment..and sure that wont go down well- and yes WJ this is just speculation.. Anyway im pretty much done with Scottish Football and Football in general. Greed, self interest, the old firm...corporate football, instagram footballers, VAR.. i could go on Im out!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18562648.glasgow-city-blown-away-james-anderson-generosity-champions-league-gesture/ This is how you accept a donation..with gratitude..the men's game could learn a lot

It was the majority of clubs that set the rules.. everyman for himself, greed and self interest so we're just playing by their rules. There were opportunities for alternatives such as 14-10-10-10 that would have had a relatively insignificant impact on clubs, but they were totally dismissed from what i can see whithout any credible explanation. Think Thistle in particular are a genuinely decent club but we're totally in the right to fight this injustice.

Possibility of Doncaster and Nelms ending up in the dock..that would great

Definitely adds to the debate. He's confirmed he comes from a legal background which was totally obvious so don't think theres any need to know anymore. Thats totally fair don't think anyone else on this forum would be happy to start disclosing personal information

Agree

Don't agree with most of his points but posting from his legal perspective is fine with me. Makes for an interesting debate, even though the way he states his opinions comes across as gospel

The plot thinkens..

Just a theory but may be to do with trying to get as many clubs on board as possible to increase the threat of expulsion. Knowing Thistle/Hearts may have to withraw their case if this became a real possibility

Football is more than just a business if you don't understand then thats your loss. They weighted the vote in favour of it going through. Not disclosing information, setting a massively premature deadline( before even allowing the furlough scheme to be fully announced) and giving the resolution little time for proper consideration. Took advantage of a situation where clubs were in fear for their futures basically saying only voting for this will allow you access to prize money- we will see in court if this was in fact the case. In no way did it become academic. If there was interference that broke the SPFL's rules and precedures, and/or scots law then that can and will not be overlooked

Of course it has but I have very little faith in the SPFL to be transparent and honest as a result of their actions so i decides not just to take what they say at face value. Has it ever occurred to you that they have not acted honestly with integrety and are motivated more by bonus's and payments, serving the rich powerful few above protecting and enhancing the game as a whole . At a time of crisis instead of showing leadership and building consensus they have promoted division serving self interest and greed over any genuine attempt at fairness. Lost any trust in the SPFL the moment they pushed through the vote and failed to adequately address the legitimate concerns around Dundee's vote.