Yellow & Redneck Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) During looking at recent news, all things Partick Thistle of course, I stumbled upon an article written by one Alex Massie, a highly "respectable" journalist who has worked at many high quality newspapers both in the UK, and in the states. Now of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I took offence at a certain paragraph that he wrote in this article about Scotland's Sectarianism Bill, and it reads like this: "We're assured that context matters and that the police and courts can be trusted to implement everything sensibly but wouldn't it be more reassuring not to have to worry about any of this at all? You and I know that the Partick Thistle song "We hate Roman Catholics/We hate Protestants too/We hate Jews and Muslims/Partick Thistle we love you" is a gentle reflection on Glasgow's football crazies but there's bound to be someone upset by it and just as likely that their "concerns" will be treated sympathetically." I have held a season ticket for seven years, and in all that time never have I heard such filth being sung from our supporters. I don't know if anyone else has, so perhaps you could shed some light on this. Ok, there is one or two songs that are not exactly squeaky clean, but what he is saying is that we are directly attacking various religions maliciously and callously. This is a well viewed website, and I fear the integrity of the club is at risk if what he is saying is not entirely truthful. Any thoughts on this? Full article link: Clicky (You can comment on the article without registering on the page if you so wish.) Edited June 21, 2011 by Yellow & Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicofan Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I have heard other teams sing this I am sure...never heard this at firhill in the 25 years i have been going that I can remember. The Hello Hello song is now outlawed...but still gets a good airing on special ocassions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie Thistle Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) ........what an *********! none of the songs that are sung at Firhill justify this nonsense! Edited June 21, 2011 by Davie Thistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 As far as I'm concerned that he is a loud-mouthed malcontent, who is more suited to writing for the "Daily Mirror" and the like. I did post a comment on this article at the bottom of the page, yet to be displayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I have heard other teams sing this I am sure...never heard this at firhill in the 25 years i have been going that I can remember. The Hello Hello song is now outlawed...but still gets a good airing on special ocassions I've not heard the song either (and have left a comment to that effect) but the comment made does apply equally to Hello, Hello. He is making the point that such satire (if that's how you consider it) may be just as likely to fall foul of the law as pro-IRA chants or Derry's Walls. Which is not more than we have already been warned. The legislation being proposed is likely to be utterly ineffective and seems to be more for show than anything else. (Not that Eck would make a song and dance about something without any underlying substance!!) The police already have sufficient powers - if there is a problem on the legal front it's that these existing powers are not being pursued sufficiently, or perhaps at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 a similar song was sung against the Old Firm in the late 70's early 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vom Itorium Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 a similar song was sung against the Old Firm in the late 70's early 80's 30-40 years ago... shows you how in touch Mr Massie is with what goes on in Scottish Football. The club should be notified of this nonsense and put him right..fud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 "We're assured that context matters and that the police and courts can be trusted to implement everything sensibly but wouldn't it be more reassuring not to have to worry about any of this at all? You and I know that the Partick Thistle song "We hate Roman Catholics/We hate Protestants too/We hate Jews and Muslims/Partick Thistle we love you" is a gentle reflection on Glasgow's football crazies but there's bound to be someone upset by it and just as likely that their "concerns" will be treated sympathetically." Any thoughts on this? What a c0ck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 UPDATE. "*Edited to clarify: this is a song imagined by Alastair Gray in his short story A Mouth Piece. Sorry Jags fan." Well at least we got an apology, but you would think that research would be carried out before this sort of thing is posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleveland steamer Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I used to sing it years ago - and I didn't actually MEAN it... It's an extension of the 'hello hello' song (obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 the club should sue this twit...800k,a new stand behind goal and a new left back and striker (for defamation of character) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 the club should sue this twit...800k,a new stand behind goal and a new left back and striker (for defamation of character) Only 800k?? We are worth at least 800mill!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 UPDATE. "*Edited to clarify: this is a song imagined by Alastair Gray in his short story A Mouth Piece. Sorry Jags fan." Well at least we got an apology, but you would think that research would be carried out before this sort of thing is posted. Oh well, I suppose it was worth me besmirching my reputation by being on the Spectator website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hebridean jag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Great song. Used to love belting that out at OF games. Better being a misanthrope than a bigot Anyone who thinks it wasn`t hugely popular between mid 70`s and mid 80`s either did`nt go to games at the time or is trying to sanitize our history Edited June 22, 2011 by hebridean jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Great song. Used to love belting that out at OF games. Better being a misanthrope than a bigot Anyone who thinks it wasn`t hugely popular between mid 70`s and mid 80`s either did`nt go to games at the time or is trying to sanitize our history Or we're going senile. I genuinely can't recall this song at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkey Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I have never heard it at Firhill, or at any thislte game. But I have heard it outside of football and I have sang it when pished. And in the company of Old Firm fan friends who were singing equally upsetting songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premjag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Absolutely mental. So by putting the word "hypothetical" in brackets, that protects against all defamatory statements made in newsprint? Someone tell Private Eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Not that fussed. He could have cited Hello Hello. Outside of the Thistle reference, he has a point, though. The current legislation doesn't actually do anything you couldn't do under a common law charge of breach of the peace from a police perspective and it's likely to fall foul of Art 10 ECHR (freedom of speech) if ever someone is prosecuted under this new act. It just smacks of politicians wanting "to be seen to be doing something" when all that's needed is for the police to be more rigorous in the application of the existing law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Not that fussed. He could have cited Hello Hello. Outside of the Thistle reference, he has a point, though. The current legislation doesn't actually do anything you couldn't do under a common law charge of breach of the peace from a police perspective and it's likely to fall foul of Art 10 ECHR (freedom of speech) if ever someone is prosecuted under this new act. It just smacks of politicians wanting "to be seen to be doing something" when all that's needed is for the police to be more rigorous in the application of the existing law. Get it to the Supreme Court and give our First Minister something else to get rabid about :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Get it to the Supreme Court and give our First Minister something else to get rabid about :-) It could be dealt with in the Sheriff Court if really necessary, but it would be very funny if the point of law were reviewed at UKSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I'm aware of it being sung decades ago but I've never heard it at any game I've been at from the late 80's onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Great song. Used to love belting that out at OF games. Better being a misanthrope than a bigot Anyone who thinks it wasn`t hugely popular between mid 70`s and mid 80`s either did`nt go to games at the time or is trying to sanitize our history No way is it a great song and if Thistle fans were to sing it in this day and age I'd be utterly ashamed. I do remember a version of the song being sung with the words we hate Glasgow Rangers, we hate Celtic too, we hate Heart of Midlothian but the Thistle we love you. Maybe this could be resurrected next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 No way is it a great song and if Thistle fans were to sing it in this day and age I'd be utterly ashamed. I do remember a version of the song being sung with the words we hate Glasgow Rangers, we hate Celtic too, we hate Heart of Midlothian but the Thistle we love you. Maybe this could be resurrected next season In its a day - It was a great song, if you took it as the anti -bigotory , religion has bugger all to do with football statement it was making. In the 70's and 80's lots of things went on a football matches which would never happen nowadays , and it all added to a great atmosphere, which is sadly missing today in football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Not that fussed. He could have cited Hello Hello. Outside of the Thistle reference, he has a point, though. The current legislation doesn't actually do anything you couldn't do under a common law charge of breach of the peace from a police perspective and it's likely to fall foul of Art 10 ECHR (freedom of speech) if ever someone is prosecuted under this new act. It just smacks of politicians wanting "to be seen to be doing something" when all that's needed is for the police to be more rigorous in the application of the existing law. Yes never mind the huge drug problems,health,gangsterism rife within our comunities, lack of jobs lets jail football fans for singing songs f**ken joke Salmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm62 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 As I remember it the exact words were: "We hate Jews and Mohammedans" Small point I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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