The Mighty Quinn Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hillsborough was a tragic accident, it was horrific. God bless the dead, injured and whoever's lives have been blighted. But how can Liverpool take the moral high ground after Heysel? Hillsborough was an accident, lots of human error. But Heysel was pure badness, pre - meditated on their behalf. They killed 66 Juventus fans through their hooliganism. Good on Del Piero for saying he had an offer but wouldn't sign for Liverpool because of Heysel. Good to see there's still people out their with morals and dignity in football. What is the general consensus on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hillsborough was a tragic accident, it was horrific. God bless the dead, injured and whoever's lives have been blighted. But how can Liverpool take the moral high ground after Heysel? Hillsborough was an accident, lots of human error. But Heysel was pure badness, pre - meditated on their behalf. They killed 66 Juventus fans through their hooliganism. Good on Del Piero for saying he had an offer but wouldn't sign for Liverpool because of Heysel. Good to see there's still people out their with morals and dignity in football. What is the general consensus on this? Have you read the report out today, Hillsborough was one of the biggest cover ups in post war history, evidence and statements tampered, dead children alcohol tested, all to keep the south Yorkshire plod in the clear for an almighty screw up orchestrated by themselves. 41 people had a chance of survival if the police had acted correctly. Heysel was a different matter, stop your trolling and go back to reading the sun,the police messed up and broke the law covering up and this goes all the way to the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel J. Botch Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 What is the general consensus on this? I'd pretty much say not your view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 What is the general consensus on this? I feel sorry for the families who saw their husbands, kids and even wives go to that game only for them not to come back. The fact that it's taken 20+ years for the plod to hand over their Hillsborough documents is a scandal and they should be hauled through the courts. That being said though I do agree with the OP that after Heysel my sympathy for Liverpool FC eroded as they ramped up their victim status - which includes not wanting to play on the Hillsborough date ... whereas conversely the Heysel date is OK. My brother (also a Jags fan) was in the Heysel that night and watched what he termed as "scouse animals" go to work in a stadium that was an unbridled sh*thole in the same style as the old pre-concreted Hampden terraces - which didn't help matters. Today, though, is for the families getting their answers and perhaps kick-starting the final series of procedures that will hopefully allow them to put it behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Quinn Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Have you read the report out today, Hillsborough was one of the biggest cover ups in post war history, evidence and statements tampered, dead children alcohol tested, all to keep the south Yorkshire plod in the clear for an almighty screw up orchestrated by themselves. 41 people had a chance of survival if the police had acted correctly. Heysel was a different matter, stop your trolling and go back to reading the sun,the police messed up and broke the law covering up and this goes all the way to the top Just because i am of a different opinion to you, doesnt mean i'm trolling. I'm being deadly serious. You say it's different and it is. If i'm going to start lobbing bricks at people like the liverpool scum did, then i'm goin to have it in my head that i might possibly kill someone. They're scum. They can't talk about someone telling some lies when they've murdered people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Didn't know whether to post this in this thread, or one of the several maggie threads on this fora. https://www.youtube....bed/0IswPkwiPGc Liverpool support yesterday airing their thoughts on Maggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Talking of the old crow, how many t-shirts did you buy at the TUC conference BlackpoolJags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Talking of the old crow, how many t-shirts did you buy at the TUC conference BlackpoolJags? Alas, I don't get invited to the TUC as I'm not one of the great and the good; you need to be a proper bureaucrat to join the elite at that particular bash. I am, however, in the process of getting a couple of anti-Maggon T shirts sent by mail order. They're the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Just because i am of a different opinion to you, doesnt mean i'm trolling. I'm being deadly serious. You say it's different and it is. If i'm going to start lobbing bricks at people like the liverpool scum did, then i'm goin to have it in my head that i might possibly kill someone. They're scum. They can't talk about someone telling some lies when they've murdered people Seems a bit of a furious rant. Are you referring to all Liverpool supporters? Are the likes of you and me murderers because of other people from our country have killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? (Condolences are always offered, of course.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Hillsborough was a tragic accident, it was horrific. God bless the dead, injured and whoever's lives have been blighted. But how can Liverpool take the moral high ground after Heysel? Hillsborough was an accident, lots of human error. But Heysel was pure badness, pre - meditated on their behalf. They killed 66 Juventus fans through their hooliganism. Good on Del Piero for saying he had an offer but wouldn't sign for Liverpool because of Heysel. Good to see there's still people out their with morals and dignity in football. What is the general consensus on this? What a load of crap - As someone who was at the Heysel that night and originally in Section Z where the accident happened , to suggest the Italians were innocent is rubbish. I was at the game with other Thistle fans that night and we were attacked outside the ground by Juventus fans and could have had a serious kicking if Liverpool fans had not intervened We were were moved out of the Section just the tragedy occurred off as the Italians in the so called neutral section were attacking neutrals and Liverpool fans. The Italian fans were no innocents , Both sets of fans where responsible hoever in my view the people to blame for the accident were the authorites , the Heysel was a pure dump with holes in the wall where people without tickets could get through. The fencing separating the fans was just chicken wire with no police there to segrate the crowd, Both sets of fans kept charging the one and other and shaking it until the fence collapsed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Seems a bit of a furious rant. Are you referring to all Liverpool supporters? Are the likes of you and me murderers because of other people from our country have killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? (Condolences are always offered, of course.) Seems the same every time you lot talk about Chelsea fans BNP/NAZIS/HOOLIGANS ECT **** me 2 days after Heysel Chelsea fans were getting blamed for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 According to the news, Everton manager Moyes (future manager of Scotland national team) is for the stadium-sharing with Liverpool. I agree with him. West Ham United and Leyton Orient should share the Olympic Stadium; Hearts and Hibernian should share a larger decent stadium in a very convenient place of Edinburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicofan Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 According to the news, Everton manager Moyes (future manager of Scotland national team) is for the stadium-sharing with Liverpool. I agree with him. West Ham United and Leyton Orient should share the Olympic Stadium; Hearts and Hibernian should share a larger decent stadium in a very convenient place of Edinburgh. Nah your way wide of the mark here SackSack 00....they should ALL share Meadowbank...makes sense ye ken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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