briogadh Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hear, hear! The whole thing is excruciatingly boring. I have no love for either side of the Old Firm or their obsession with Irish politics (well, some of the followers anyway) but enough is surely enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 The 2 easdale brothers are looking to sell their bus company for £100 million and the Mr King is still strongly wanting control. With shares so low at the moment, if these 2 side throw money in again then that share price will certainly rise. I want to sell my house for £100M. I have about as much chance as the Easedales have of getting that for a bus company that makes a tiny fraction of that in profits. Maybe they picked up Richard Hughes shares yesterday (that he made over half a million on) but that kind of investment is way below what they require at Ibrox and doesn't go to assisting the football business. I see poor Ally is having to consider how to cut the budget today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25736543 If the Easdales had a plan to splash, they would just keep the spend going. Admin is waiting should the cuts programme fail to be significant enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 "Rangers boss Ally McCoist has finally signed off on a pay cut of around 50%, which he agreed to in October." Whether pro or anti sevco, you can't help but respect this no-nonsense, get tough approach to sorting the finances out pronto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Hear, hear! The whole thing is excruciatingly boring. I have no love for either side of the Old Firm or their obsession with Irish politics (well, some of the followers anyway) but enough is surely enough. Then there's no need to read the thread or at least past the 1st few posts. This - the thread as it's developed - isn't about the old firm by the way it's about one club who cheated, got their just deserts (or at least to some extent) but now it's been revived with the same old nonsense and the same people in football admin and in the press doing their best to blind us to the reality. The thread - as begun was to point up the sad joke of our corrupt football authorities going on about integrity. I made a wee (and I thought humorous) side swipe about (neo-) Rangers because their fans are always complaining about what was done to them by the SFA and other SPL clubs - remember the nonsense of "the enemies of Rangers". Very few of them accept it was all down to the way their club has acted for years before. This thread - IMHO - wouldn't have lasted more than handful of posts having further wee swipes at them but other folk have come on defending Rangers - and you can only do that by denial of facts and accusation of being a Rangers hater it seems (though if you equate Rangers with cheating ..?). I myself and a few other posters here just couldn't let that stand unchallenged so the thread has grown legs. I don't mind it winding down now I've had my say but similar threads will appear again. The spivs running Rangers, the SMSM and the SFA will make sure of that. Edited January 15, 2014 by Mr Bunny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 No they should be judged on that tax case and not let be people be swayed for what they stand for. Our country is a democracy and this is how it is in a democracy i'm afraid. Another post on the forum on another thread (many about Rangers on here so you will have to search) mentioms bigotted/ sectarian banners!!!! Where is the evidence of this as i don't see these banners at Ibrox of this nature but don't let the truth get in the way of a good dig at Rangers again to earn some back slapping from your fellow haters. Seriously take a step back and look at the crap that's posted on here. Attendances are up is a good example 52k at Celtic park for the thistle game at New year when infact only 26k could be bothered to watch it. Integrity? Keep this going and it might attract a main sponsor for the league with them thinking it's booming up here. I have no doubt many Thistle fans couldn't care less and prefer to just give their time to Thistle but you have to ask yourself how many on here are driven by something more sinister. Good old jealousy and football rivalry is fine but to continually throw up the cheating crap constantly when as far as i know the EBT's were not judged to be illegal doesn't register with these folks. The future of Rangers is uncertain but i know they won't go away and i know they will get back to the top of Scottish football one day and folk need to just live with that. Move on and concentrate all your efforts on your own club and don't get all hung up and irritated by the big bad Rangers everday of your lives. It will only get worse so try and let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Rangers fans at tel aviv ETA - intergrity were an awesome straight-edge hardcore band in the 90s. Edited January 15, 2014 by mrD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It seems like it was only 3 days ago after another tear stained "wur the same club" type post on another thread, that Billko told us: No more on this subject from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Integrity, a la Berz? Ok probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 ^ ^ ^ Oh dear, and just when some of us were beginning to think your rehabilitation was going well too. Rehabilitation, and turn out like yourself? Just take comfort in the fact that both of us have an obsession of a team in blue but it's you that needs the help for that obsession. You took your time with that thorough post but a good effort all the same It seems like it was only 3 days ago after another tear stained "wur the same club" type post on another thread, that Billko told us: No more on this subject from me. The tears were from you PT when you realised we ARE the same club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) No they should be judged on that tax case and not let be people be swayed for what they stand for. Our country is a democracy and this is how it is in a democracy i'm afraid. So the EBTs are the only blot on an otherwise squeaky clean club? Your "club" was a disgusting excuse for a football team built on arrogance and a driving need to "equal" your neighbours success, not once did they display any interest in the Scottish game. Since Murray took over your whole way of operating was built on over spending, a debt that eventually killed them, for every 6 million Celtic spend on Sutton, we'll spend 12 on Flo, to paraphrase. Can you expand on what you mean by people being swayed by what rangers stand for? (R E A D the post again, it wasn't Rangers they were talking about but the EDL but you couldn't help jumping in PT) Rangers used EBT's which again were not illegal and did chase the top prizes but ambitious clubs do this and what are you talking about with the not taking an interest in the Scottish game?) (You know Rangers are not the only club to go into debt trying to be successful don''t you? Look around the biggest clubs in Europe and you will see what debt is) HMRC stated we owed them a very large amount of money which was later proved not to be the case and this and Craig Whyte who miss manged the club along with Murray letting him take over are the reasons the club found itself in bother) Why do you use one game to try and argue the case that the vast majority of SPFL teams have shown an increase of attendances over the last 2 years. Suppose it gave you the opportunity to mention Celtic. (One game, are you having a laugh PT? , empty stadia all around the country with the most recent at Inverness v Dundee Utd game. All teams can put false attendances up to try and make the stats look better but the empty grounds don't lie.but i have no doubt some teams have seen an increase but it's hardly boom time) I mentioned Celtic because it was the game in question Police Scotland confirmed a 26k crowd for which is 50% less than the official attendance from Celtic.) Can you expand on what you mean by something more sinister, i'd be interested to hear what you are accusing Thistle fans of. (You want me to expand alot here and what i mean is for some it goes alot deeper than football rivalry so take out of that what you will, not all Thistle fans though which you are suggesting) They were judged by 1 of the three to be illegal, and the 2-1 decsion is being appealled. you know they acted without morals, everyone knows they acted without morals, a court of law doesn't need to make a guilty decision to know that how rangers acted was beyond the integriity of the game. (Not illegally though PT and don't get this mixed up with integrity which is a new word for the Scottish football fan that use it when it suits them) Back? Your club died, end of, a new club started again in the bottom tier and no matter what you say, your club and fans will be reminded of this til the end of time. Enjoy the journey. (Why do you hate this new club you have never played before PT? or is it really the same club but you don't want to admit it I agree we will be reminded of how we started in the bottom tier but you will constantly be reminded how we got back to the top and added to the 54 titles we already have won. Scotland's most successful club is what you will be reminded of until the end of time PT, but your journey won't be so enjoyable Edited January 15, 2014 by billko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 My work here is done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Rangers fans at tel aviv ETA - intergrity were an awesome straight-edge hardcore band in the 90s. I wonder if anyone of a blue nose persuasion could tell me what this sort of display has to do with football or indeed Scotland? In addition I appreciate that education is not something the average Sevco fan is renowned for, but surely even the dimmest of the Ibrox legions must appreciate the irony of giving Fascist salutes whist displaying the Israeli flag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 The 2 easdale brothers are looking to sell their bus company for £100 million and the Mr King is still strongly wanting control. With shares so low at the moment, if these 2 side throw money in again then that share price will certainly rise. The Easdales bus company has been trading at a loss or barely break even for the last 5 years, so the question you should be asking, who gave them the money to buy into Rangers......... Greene or Whyte ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 My work here is done. Our work is still in progress but no doubt we shall all meet soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I wonder if anyone of a blue nose persuasion could tell me what this sort of display has to do with football or indeed Scotland? In addition I appreciate that education is not something the average Sevco fan is renowned for, but surely even the dimmest of the Ibrox legions must appreciate the irony of giving Fascist salutes whist displaying the Israeli flag! Maybe it's a protest against sectarianism and division, promoting love and reconciliation between the Nazi and the Jew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 The Easdales bus company has been trading at a loss or barely break even for the last 5 years, so the question you should be asking, who gave them the money to buy into Rangers......... Greene or Whyte ???? Their company made £695000 profit last year, they knock back a bid of £80 million. And are asking for £100 million, it was in the papers a couple of weeks ago. The question you should be asking is......where am I getting all this wrong info from. The only thing I'm interested in is making money from shares, and at this moment in time I think their shares will start to rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Their company made £695000 profit last year, they knock back a bid of £80 million. And are asking for £100 million, it was in the papers a couple of weeks ago. The question you should be asking is......where am I getting all this wrong info from. The only thing I'm interested in is making money from shares, and at this moment in time I think their shares will start to rise. Did they?? Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Their company made £695000 profit last year, they knock back a bid of £80 million. And are asking for £100 million, it was in the papers a couple of weeks ago. The question you should be asking is......where am I getting all this wrong info from. The only thing I'm interested in is making money from shares, and at this moment in time I think their shares will start to rise. care to clarify what companies shares you are referring to, and that you have shares in same company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Can't believe some of the Rangers fans are STILL saying that they are the same club! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Their company made £695000 profit last year, they knock back a bid of £80 million. And are asking for £100 million, it was in the papers a couple of weeks ago. The question you should be asking is......where am I getting all this wrong info from. The only thing I'm interested in is making money from shares, and at this moment in time I think their shares will start to rise. Are their shares traded? I thought McGill's was privately owned by an investment vehicle itself owned by the Brothers Easedale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Are their shares traded? I thought McGill's was privately owned by an investment vehicle itself owned by the Brothers Easedale. care to clarify what companies shares you are referring to, and that you have shares in same company? I'm on about Rangers shares, they are sitting low and I think they will rise. And no I don't have shares in. Rangers, but do play the share market with other company's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Did they?? Aye According to the tax man, yes they did. Unless you know better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I'm on about Rangers shares, they are sitting low and I think they will rise. And no I don't have shares in. Rangers, but do play the share market with other company's. I'm on about Rangers shares, they are sitting low and I think they will rise. And no I don't have shares in. Rangers, but do play the share market with other company's. OK. Talking at cross purposes. Re the successor to Sevco 5088/Scotland, I agree that if someone (say, Dave King) were daft enough to make a move to buy RIFC then the share price would rise and if he purchased a large holding (30%, I believe) then he would have to make an offer to all shareholders that would be way above the current market price. He would presumably hope that many would not cash in their chips, but I would expect many of the duped IPO purchasers to thank their lucky stars and bale out at that point. That would be a LOT of cash spent to yield no benefit to the fabric of the club. Also, if the cash-burn (today's Herald goes for the same £1M a month round figure I did earlier) is not adequately addressed, then King (or another Blue Knight) will have to stump up to cover that too, probably another £10M a year at the current rate. And let's face it, they will have to spend big to wrest that Champions League 2nd qualifying round place off of Sellick and see off Maribor or HJK Helsinki. And Ally will hopefully find his wages restored to the full £800K a year after all the pain he will have gone through to help out.... Nothing but a never-ending spending spree will keep the wee Bears happy. Only a moron would buy into it. Good luck playing the casino with poor wee Rangers share price..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Bunny Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) OK. Talking at cross purposes. Re the successor to Sevco 5088/Scotland, I agree that if someone (say, Dave King) were daft enough to make a move to buy RIFC then the share price would rise and if he purchased a large holding (30%, I believe) then he would have to make an offer to all shareholders that would be way above the current market price. He would presumably hope that many would not cash in their chips, but I would expect many of the duped IPO purchasers to thank their lucky stars and bale out at that point. That would be a LOT of cash spent to yield no benefit to the fabric of the club. Also, if the cash-burn (today's Herald goes for the same £1M a month round figure I did earlier) is not adequately addressed, then King (or another Blue Knight) will have to stump up to cover that too, probably another £10M a year at the current rate. And let's face it, they will have to spend big to wrest that Champions League 2nd qualifying round place off of Sellick and see off Maribor or HJK Helsinki. And Ally will hopefully find his wages restored to the full £800K a year after all the pain he will have gone through to help out.... Nothing but a never-ending spending spree will keep the wee Bears happy. Only a moron would buy into it. Good luck playing the casino with poor wee Rangers share price..... Can you bet on shares going down, shorting or something?? -------------------------------------- Wasn't going to say more on the other stuff for a bit but thought I'd try to clear up some confusion. According to company law and football regulations Rangers (founded 1872) were liquidated and went out of business. There was at that time no separation of club from company. This led to consequences including some consequences for the successor club one of which was that as a new club it had to start at the bottom (although SPL/SFA did try to force them in at a higher level). Very often clubs are restarted - new versions to revive a defunct club (e.g. Third Lanark in the Juniors) or where a club has been taken over and made into another club (e.g. Wimbledon, Clydebank). These are in no way the original club but they are felt by the fans to be the original club and treated as such by them - as in maybe containing the "spirit" of the original. Thus Rangers can be seen in this way too. Only there are differences. All the above IRC were started by fans of the original club, and went about raising money themselves, trying to work their way up from the very bottom. They got some support and recognition from other fans and some admiration for their attempts even if they weren't wholly successful. None of them claimed their old club didn't die or change into something else. They might claim the new club has the real spirit of the old club but nothing more. The assets of Rangers were bought out by a group of "businessmen" and they set up a new club. No supporters involved. From early on instead of getting on with it there have been accusations of "Rangers-haters" and "enemies of Rangers" and threats that those enemies would be punished when (new) Rangers got "back to where they belonged" - though you can't get back to where you've never been. OK, so the supporters weren't involved in creating the successor club but there's nothing wrong with them choosing to view it as a continuation of the old one if they wish, you can even admit that "in spirit" it is. Unfortunately there are some things in that "spirit" they'd have better doing away with (triumphalism, arrogance, bigotry, tendency to blame and threaten others) all very much encouraged by Chuck Green, their great saviour. Oh, wait he isn't now, is he? But he found it easy to play their fans like a violin by playing up to all that stuff. Best thing that could have happened would have been for proper business men to take over and use the tough situation to drop all the old bad baggage and reform the new club as something suitable for this century. Instead all that was lost - because a bunch of chancers saw they could use that trimphalism, bigotry, etc. (not to mention the SMSM and the SFA) to be allowed to do what they liked to the club. BTW it's interesting that there is now a separate company (RIFC) and club (TRFC): something Rangers fans should note and possibly worry about. .... OK sliped into a wee rant at the end there but I think it is still relevant to them main point. Edited January 16, 2014 by Mr Bunny 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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