mrD Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 We've heard the old firm say it about getting out of scotland. One of the barriers that stops them is that they would have to start at the bottom and the crowd levels couldn't sustain a team of their costs. But that would not apply to us. To me if its possible its a no brainer. Scottish football is shit - its never going to change collectivly. Instead of thinking collectivly we should be thinking as an independant buisness that needs to find a market to sustain itself and grow. The only reason why we have an SFA is because of a historical anachronism that means that football asscociations doesnt necceseraily correlate with nation state status. the crowds at league 2 level are better than at div one - wed have the novelty of being a scottish team so wed be sure to get good travellign supportsn coming up here. People sick of scottish football might find a team playing in the english league an attractive thing to keep an eye so that would defeinately have a positive impact on our 'home support' have a look at the below stats and tell me what do you think. this is kinda a jest topic but why not? And if its possible what are the barriers? Div 1 http://stats.football365.com/dom/SCO/D1/attend.html conferance http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/FC/attend.html league 2 http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D3/attend.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 We've heard the old firm say it about getting out of scotland. One of the barriers that stops them is that they would have to start at the bottom and the crowd levels couldn't sustain a team of their costs. But that would not apply to us. To me if its possible its a no brainer. Scottish football is shit - its never going to change collectivly. Instead of thinking collectivly we should be thinking as an independant buisness that needs to find a market to sustain itself and grow. The only reason why we have an SFA is because of a historical anachronism that means that football asscociations doesnt necceseraily correlate with nation state status. the crowds at league 2 level are better than at div one - wed have the novelty of being a scottish team so wed be sure to get good travellign supportsn coming up here. People sick of scottish football might find a team playing in the english league an attractive thing to keep an eye so that would defeinately have a positive impact on our 'home support' have a look at the below stats and tell me what do you think. this is kinda a jest topic but why not? And if its possible what are the barriers? Div 1 http://stats.football365.com/dom/SCO/D1/attend.html conferance http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/FC/attend.html league 2 http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D3/attend.html stats are mince - they have us down as a 14538 capacity ground. wouldn't like to join the engurlish clubs full time but would like to see a return of the old Anglo-Scottish Cup - it would allow a few extra games midweek for the diddy teams (especially when the big teams are in europe - or in the case of the FTOF out of europe before xmas!)... maybe they should have it in europa league and champions league format - anyone up for a wednesday night down in rotherham?! 2801 2801 2801 14538 19.2% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 stats are mince - they have us down as a 14538 capacity ground. wouldn't like to join the engurlish clubs full time but would like to see a return of the old Anglo-Scottish Cup - it would allow a few extra games midweek for the diddy teams (especially when the big teams are in europe - or in the case of the FTOF out of europe before xmas!)... maybe they should have it in europa league and champions league format - anyone up for a wednesday night down in rotherham?! 2801 2801 2801 14538 19.2% you only have to watch the football league show to see the crowds in league two are in a far more healthy state than our div one. theres always talk about how we should restructure bigger leagues here with a sense of resignation because we know that its an impossible dream. it's probably more possible to consider what ive just proposed than scottish football sorting itself out. league 2 and the conferance have the big leagues that everybody apart from the old firm and aberdeen so desire. why not just join that instead of wishing for scotland to sort its own shitty parochial league out? Imagine we manage to get promotion to league one where you can be up against some seriously big clubs. Id much rather have a game against leeds utd than dundee utd. the anglo scottish cup idea is a good idea and id back it - it just doesnt go far enough and doesnt address fully the clubs issues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 also. leaving scottish football doesn't mean leaving behind scottishness. im sure cardiff and swansea fans consider themselves to be welsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 you only have to watch the football league show to see the crowds in league two are in a far more healthy state than our div one. theres always talk about how we should restructure bigger leagues here with a sense of resignation because we know that its an impossible dream. it's probably more possible to consider what ive just proposed than scottish football sorting itself out. league 2 and the conferance have the big leagues that everybody apart from the old firm and aberdeen so desire. why not just join that instead of wishing for scotland to sort its own shitty parochial league out? Imagine we manage to get promotion to league one where you can be up against some seriously big clubs. Id much rather have a game against leeds utd than dundee utd. the anglo scottish cup idea is a good idea and id back it - it just doesnt go far enough and doesnt address fully the clubs issues! just one wee wee fly in the ointment, travel, it already costs me a fortune to go and watch thistle, having to travel to watch them play southend would banktrupt me in no time as well as the club... who would come to watch us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Sorry to be a killjoy but Thistle are not good enough for Conference. The Blue Square Bet North is our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 I've often wondered why 16 clubs in Scotland outside the top tier that want to try and play in the SPL don't set up their own league. Christ, if one bunch of chancers can do it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbank boy Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Sorry to be a killjoy but Thistle are not good enough for Conference. The Blue Square Bet North is our level. Spot on Sir, We're nowhere good enough to be in Div 2. Conference level although arguable, would stretch us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Sorry to be a killjoy but Thistle are not good enough for Conference. The Blue Square Bet North is our level. With our current squad, yes. But the money we would get from tv/sponsorship would give us a much better chance to sign better players. However, alot of that money would probably end up going on travel & digs. Anyway, never going to happen. The post above is a good one, why the SFL don't change the league set-up is just as baffling as the SPL not changing theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 With our current squad, yes. But the money we would get from tv/sponsorship would give us a much better chance to sign better players. However, alot of that money would probably end up going on travel & digs. Anyway, never going to happen. The post above is a good one, why the SFL don't change the league set-up is just as baffling as the SPL not changing theirs. Therein lies the flaw in this otherwise wonderful Baldrick type cunning plan. Like the SPL, the mediocre talents and dandruffy blazers won't want a smaller slice of the pie. Wait until the depression really hits the lower leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) The Scottish leagues are "Mikey Mouse" and have been for decades. S.F.A., S.P.L., S.F.L., S.F.A.A., S.J.F.A.... W.T.F! Old firm in England? As confirmed at the last attempt, The Premiership clubs don't need them and don't want them. If like Portsmouth, a club c**ks up there are plenty of well supported big clubs waiting amongst there own lower leagues to take their place. So, as much as I like the idea of playing different teams and broadening our horizons, even if it could be made financially viable I think we're on tae plums with that one. However, I still beleive a proper, radical shake up of the competitive structure in Scotland and it might generate greater interest and entertainment, be an attractive vehicle for decent sponsorship and improve the quality of players our wee land produces. Open up the senior leagues to all a levels, juniors, amatuers, highland league to allow clubs to find their true level of competition outside what is currently a closed shop protectionist racket. A top league of 16 and two regional lower divisions of 16. Automatic promotion for the winners of the regional divisions? Play offs between the top 3 or 4 of the regional divisions and a play-off final against the bottom team of the top tier for promotion? Relegation to other smaller regional divisions? Sack the diddy cups! Alba and League.. not a finished solution but something has to change. Most importantly, I'm no communist but an equal distribution of the wealth generated collectively by the league is all important. Let clubs raise revenues independantly from merchandise and gate receipts but TV cash? The big two's claim to the lion's share of TV money when the SPL was founded was ridiculous and should never have been agreed to. If celtic or rangers had no one to play they'd have no show. Also, what is the need for a financial prize for winning the league these days? Surely the possible riches to be gained from European qualification is adequate. The "wee teams" in Scotland have been guilty in the past of relying on dosh from old firm travelling supports. Hence the chance of teams playing each other up to 7 even 8 times a season. Dire. Trying to keep up with the old firmses is pointless but no need to be bullied by them. Relying on them is a slow suicide. It's a real shame we appear thus far to have a below average team this season. A strong Thistle fighting for promotion alongside Dundee, Dunfermline, Falkirk, Raith even Morton would I think, raise interest and increase attendances. SPL F**ked us (and Falkirk) once already with 10,000 seater bulls**t. Changing the rules to complete the fairytale stories of Inverness and Gretna made me ill. And though we may try to forget the play-off experiment with us as the condemmed guniea-pigs, no other club has been so cruelly demoted since. It's a strange paradox, I really want Thistle to do well and win the league, but the prize means competing in an "cling-to-the-shirt-tails-of-the-all-powerfull-old-firm-knows-best" environment............... HUEY! Carry on regardless! Edited August 22, 2010 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 A lot of the time I'm a wee bit confused. A wee bit of the time I'm a lot confused. I guess this is a case of the latter. Can someone please explain what this thread's all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 A lot of the time I'm a wee bit confused. A wee bit of the time I'm a lot confused. I guess this is a case of the latter. Can someone please explain what this thread's all about? Oh I'd say it's about 13 posts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 It's about a fantasy which has the Jags playing in England. Unfortunately, our current standard is well below that in the fantasy. Most Conference teams would thrash us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I do like the idea, the Scottish league is probably on a par with the League of Ireland, and we'd be far more entertained playing in the English system. The problem is it is much easier for Welsh teams to play in the English league pyramid than Scottish teams due to their proximity. We would have almost no away support for matches in the south of England, but then again, neither do Accrington Stanley. The cost would be terrible, but as said above that would be offset by the rise in sponsorship and TV money. It'll never happen, but I agree with someone above who said it's more likely to happen than Scottish league reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 "Mikey Mouse" hahahahahahahahahaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemei Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 A lot of the time I'm a wee bit confused. A wee bit of the time I'm a lot confused. I guess this is a case of the latter. Can someone please explain what this thread's all about? More importantly conference has been mispelled in the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 More importantly conference has been mispelled in the title. ... Misspelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) back to topic. twinnys pretty much answered all the objections. distance doesn't seem to be an issue when millwall play leeds. the teams that inverness grew out of could see that being stuck in a provincial league was going to be a detriment to their ambitions and didn't allow the objection of distance to get in the way. maybe that spirit aint such a bad thing btw nice to see jagsforum on twitter chiming in with the sarcy tweet but doesnt seem to be able to handle responses. Edited August 23, 2010 by mrD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 More importantly conference has been mispelled in the title. was wondering when someone was going to say that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 bump. this is what i think should happen for a post bust ptfc or an fc of pt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 (edited) this ( is a wee bit more inspiring than gettig promotion to the spl to play against st mirrin and the old firm and of course motherwell... Edited September 3, 2011 by mrD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie247 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 bump. this is what i think should happen for a post bust ptfc or an fc of pt... So hypothetically if a Scottish club were to go bust, would they then be able to reform as a non league team like AFC Wimbledon and begin working up the leagues in England? Or if a new team was formed in Scotland would they be able to then register as an English non league club like the Welsh ones do? Swansea City, Cardiff, Newport County, Colwyn Bay, Merthyr Town, Bangor City, Barry Town, Caernarfon Town, Newtown and Rhyl all play a part at some level of English football.. So what would be the barrier to a newly formed Scottish team taking part in the same competitions? (team list from Wikipedia.. so could be completely wrong) A lot of what ifs but it's an interesting idea to play around with.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 So hypothetically if a Scottish club were to go bust, would they then be able to reform as a non league team like AFC Wimbledon and begin working up the leagues in England? Or if a new team was formed in Scotland would they be able to then register as an English non league club like the Welsh ones do? Swansea City, Cardiff, Newport County, Colwyn Bay, Merthyr Town, Bangor City, Barry Town, Caernarfon Town, Newtown and Rhyl all play a part at some level of English football.. So what would be the barrier to a newly formed Scottish team taking part in the same competitions? (team list from Wikipedia.. so could be completely wrong) A lot of what ifs but it's an interesting idea to play around with.. Unlike England, we do not have a pyramid system. The Juniors or East of Scotland clubs cannot be promoted into the SFL. In England, Aldershot and Accrington Stanley reformed after going bust and eventually won promotion to the Football League. The Football League used to be a closed shop like the SFL. Clubs had to be re-elected after finishing bottom. A few were booted out after a series of dreadful seasons. The conference has several ex-FL clubs - Wrexham, Newport County, Grimsby, Darlington, York City, Lincoln City and Southport. If we had a pyramid system, many of our smaller clubs would be relegated and replaced by bigger Junior clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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