Lindau Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 All over the Scottish news and ITV news. Club not looking too clever over this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 The Club has made a statement tonight. This is surely far too serious a subject for comment on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Not sure what the current club can do about it but it is going to be big news in the next few days, so not sure why we can't discuss it. If the mods think otherwise by all means take the thread down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Not sure what the current club can do about it but it is going to be big news in the next few days, so not sure why we can't discuss it. If the mods think otherwise by all means take the thread down! I really don't think we should put the mods under such pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) The Club has made a statement tonight. This is surely far too serious a subject for comment on here. I agree. Let the Club deal with it. Perhaps we can pass comment once the full facts are known. Football as a whole has a challenge to respond to the media stories of the last few days; nobody who means any ill towards kids should be anywhere near a football club. Full stop. Edited December 7, 2016 by sandy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 No pressure involved. If they don't want the subject discussed just take it down. It involves our club in serious allegations, so to me anyway, as a supporter it is of major interest. I had a dig at Sevco when they were the first Scottish club to be mentioned in this current lot of allegations. Pretty hypocritical if I just ignore something that has went on at our club, but as I said if it is deemed insensitive I am happy for it to be removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 "Had a dig at sevco". Disgusting to be attempting to point score over child abuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) "Had a dig at sevco". Disgusting to be attempting to point score over child abuse. Read what I said in the actual post before pontificating. I said that I found it ironic that in all their years of taunting Celtic with their "Big Jock Knew" bullshit that it was ironic that it was going on at their club as well! It was a comment aimed at their support rather than the disgusting things going on at their club and by the looks of it loads of other clubs! Edited December 7, 2016 by Lindau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Who is the obituary in the programme attributed to? I see it's written in the first person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Seemingly there are 2 Scottish Glasgow clubs been under a police enquiry for the last week or 2. I do not know the teams. I was told this yesterday and then today the papers have the guy over in Northern Ireland and then this statement from our club. Absolutely shocking, but still think it is the tip of the iceberg. Just hope no one was very paid off to keep quite at our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Read what I said in the actual post before pontificating. I said that I found it ironic that in all their years of taunting Celtic with their "Big Jock Knew" bullshit that it was ironic that it was going on at their club as well! It was a comment aimed at their support rather than the disgusting things going on at their club and by the looks of it loads of other clubs! Fair enough. I just find this concept of supporters taking a moral high ground absolutely contemptible. As you rightly say the majority of this seems to be between Rangers and Celtic fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 As you rightly say the majority of this seems to be between Rangers and Celtic fans. Sadly a horrible fact of life in this city! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 What a lot of drama and knicker wetting over one persons claim. But seems as though the media and from what some others say they have him hook line and sinker and everyone from that era should be hung drawn and quartered. We will never know the truth with the bloke being dead etc. Respect has to be given to the club for being pro active in their investigations. Would be different if many more come forward but one persons word against another's and having kept a secret like that for almost 25 years meh i ain't buying into it just yet but time will tell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 What a lot of drama and knicker wetting over one persons claim. But seems as though the media and from what some others say they have him hook line and sinker and everyone from that era should be hung drawn and quartered. We will never know the truth with the bloke being dead etc. Respect has to be given to the club for being pro active in their investigations. Would be different if many more come forward but one persons word against another's and having kept a secret like that for almost 25 years meh i ain't buying into it just yet but time will tell.... Are you sure you've read the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Are you sure you've read the story? what particular story are you referring too as i have seen many? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 what particular story are you referring too as i have seen many? Ok, you're trolling. I'll leave you to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Ok, you're trolling. I'll leave you to it. eh?? i am deadly serious, what particular story are you referring too? i have seen a few and they all refer to one complaint, if you have seen something else then please share and stop being stupid ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 OK I'll play along. Why did you use terms like knicker wetting to describe other posters who have contributed to this thread? As for: Would be different if many more come forward but one persons word against another's and having kept a secret like that for almost 25 years meh i ain't buying into it just yet but time will tell.... I find that quite a weird thing to say on many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 I didn't use the term knicker wetting relating to other posters on this thread, if a general comment makes you or others feel that way then it is your issue not mine. In what way is it a weird thing to say? I am merely looking for evidence, not one to judge because one person says something or because a media outlet prints it. This physio guy is basically already guilty according to some and i am not sure if he has family but if that was you in the position where a relative was apparently accused of doing something sinister would you be happy? I do believe there has been a lot of wrongdoing with certain people in the past but one persons word against a dead man it ain't really a fair battle is it? If many more came forward about the same dude then fair enough, as is what is happening to the ex Hibs/Falkirk kitman. But for one person to basically sit on this for 25 years and not utter a word i really don't buy into it. Time will tell i suppose but by all accounts at that time this man was highly respected, even a few years after his sacking he seemed held in high regard by players so for me the jury is out until more comes of this. And if you think sexual abuse or alleged sexual abuse is a trolling thing or a joke to play along with then that is much weirder than any of my comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) I didn't use the term knicker wetting relating to other posters on this thread, if a general comment makes you or others feel that way then it is your issue not mine. In what way is it a weird thing to say? I am merely looking for evidence, not one to judge because one person says something or because a media outlet prints it. This physio guy is basically already guilty according to some and i am not sure if he has family but if that was you in the position where a relative was apparently accused of doing something sinister would you be happy? I do believe there has been a lot of wrongdoing with certain people in the past but one persons word against a dead man it ain't really a fair battle is it? If many more came forward about the same dude then fair enough, as is what is happening to the ex Hibs/Falkirk kitman. But for one person to basically sit on this for 25 years and not utter a word i really don't buy into it. Time will tell i suppose but by all accounts at that time this man was highly respected, even a few years after his sacking he seemed held in high regard by players so for me the jury is out until more comes of this. And if you think sexual abuse or alleged sexual abuse is a trolling thing or a joke to play along with then that is much weirder than any of my comments! That's my point. I don't think it is. Far from it. To say thar someone has basically sat on this for 25 years allows you to not buy into it, is ****** incredible and suggests a great misunderstanding of the trauma the person has went through. Edited December 8, 2016 by potty trained 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 But for one person to basically sit on this for 25 years and not utter a word i really don't buy into it I am assuming that he was sacked in the early 90s because of this, so the person involved has hardly been sitting on it for 25 years. It was obviously reported to the club, they investigated and he was ultimately sacked. The main talking point in this story is why didn't the club report this to the police! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I am assuming that he was sacked in the early 90s because of this, so the person involved has hardly been sitting on it for 25 years. It was obviously reported to the club, they investigated and he was ultimately sacked. The main talking point in this story is why didn't the club report this to the police! Maybe either the club the "victim" or both felt that the allegation was not strong enough to involve the police, but the club decided to take swift and firm action in any case. I don't much go for trial by newspaper or by online forum members. Edited December 9, 2016 by Jaggernaut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzJag Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 What a lot of drama and knicker wetting over one persons claim. But seems as though the media and from what some others say they have him hook line and sinker and everyone from that era should be hung drawn and quartered. We will never know the truth with the bloke being dead etc. Respect has to be given to the club for being pro active in their investigations. Would be different if many more come forward but one persons word against another's and having kept a secret like that for almost 25 years meh i ain't buying into it just yet but time will tell.... I spoke to a colleague at work this morning who was playing for Thistle at the time. Gave me a pretty grim story of John Hart's attempted antics against him. Seems pretty legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I am assuming that he was sacked in the early 90s because of this, so the person involved has hardly been sitting on it for 25 years. It was obviously reported to the club, they investigated and he was ultimately sacked. The main talking point in this story is why didn't the club report this to the police! It's been suggested that Lambie continued to use his private practice for our players via the Swallow Hotel on Paisley Road West after his sacking. I believe he lived in Govan. Was his house also used for his surgery? The Obit suggests this and I'm sure it has been mentioned by players that this happenned. The question arises, did we continue to pay him for his services "freelance". If so was the sacking a token gesture to appease the family of the boy? If a member of staff was sacked for inappropriate behaviour to a minor, why did we continue to use his services outside the "safety" of the ground! You then need to ask, why did the best physio in Scotland part company with Motherwell to end up at a middle of the road team in the second tier? For reference, as thistle fans it's very easy to only look at Thistle. But this is bigger than us. There could well be thousands of kids who this has effected. Theres a lad on the st mirren forum who was abused by that ref, upon discussion in his work, it turns out he works with someone who was abused by the same person. People who have had to live with this! Carry it with them their whole lives. I can't imagine what that would be like and have nothing but sympathy for those folk and hope that everything comes out so that we can learn from it, support those effected, punish the perpetrators of these crimes and rebuild Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted December 9, 2016 Members Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 For reference, as thistle fans it's very easy to only look at Thistle. But this is bigger than us. There could well be thousands of kids who this has effected. Theres a lad on the st mirren forum who was abused by that ref, upon discussion in his work, it turns out he works with someone who was abused by the same person. People who have had to live with this! Carry it with them their whole lives. I can't imagine what that would be like and have nothing but sympathy for those folk and hope that everything comes out so that we can learn from it, support those effected, punish the perpetrators of these crimes and rebuild Scottish football. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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