MWM Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) I think its almost certain newco won't get into the SPL. The big question for me is will they be admitted to the SFL. I'm more than happy to also see clubs like Kilmarnock squirming with no or reduced tv money and no revenue from Rangers stopping off at Rugby Park once or twice a season. A part of me hopes that they would somehow die or **** off to the lower reaches of the English non-league and Celtic would follow suit or die of apathy. Edited June 21, 2012 by MWM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Imagine that every week for 15 years you and your mates had met to play cards. It turns out that only two guys almost always win, and then you find out that one of them had found a way to cheat without getting detected. He'd been doing this for many years, until finally the method of cheating gets exposed. Over the years this has probably cost you and your mates a lot of money, and the cheat owes you and or other players money. The cheat says that it's unfortunate but that somebody else told him it was okay to cheat. He'll pay back 10% of what he owes to everybody, but then wants to be able to keep playing with you all. What would you do, other than kick his head in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 "In everything that we do, football must always be the first and most important element that we take into consideration. Football is a game before being a product, a sport before being a market, a show before being a business." Taken from UEFA's values. Made the club away of this via email , thankfully not renewd my season ticket yet so have advised them thats not happening till we get clarification that Thistle will not vote for any Zombie Rangers to get directly into SFL1/SPL2 or whatever ******* name they will call any new league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'll just repeat what I said earlier. I especially object to his statement " commercialisation doesn’t work in Scottish football without Rangers" - although that's such a badly worded sentence I suspect it's a Record journo's interpretation rather than his exact words. However if that still is the jist of what he said then NO! Yes loss of the H^ns is a commercial hit but nothing like the disaster they make out (as others have said and supportedwith good arguments). There will always be a TV deal ... it might be less but then again without one half the Old Firm it will be spread about a bit more. If we don't play by the rules that are in place (and which if we had already we wouldn't be having these arguments, the newco would already have been told to apply to div 3) then what? If the H^ns are so vital and we can't not have them in any commercial deal then what? We have a system where one team must never be relegated, in fact this team must never allowed not to be the top team the vast majority of the time, regardless of what they do, what rules and what laws they break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Also contacted the club to confirm about season ticket. If Rangers are in the first division with our support then I'm boycotting us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 What if rangers are in the same league as us but 2 go up? That would be a reasonable concession for me. We get extra incom from tv & gate money plus the same chance of promotion as it is currently. Unlikely I know but something I'd accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) What if rangers are in the same league as us but 2 go up? That would be a reasonable concession for me. We get extra incom from tv & gate money plus the same chance of promotion as it is currently. Unlikely I know but something I'd accept. That sounds like self preservation to me, and defo not in tune with sporting integrity (but so does this I guess). What if the SPFL1 and SPFL2/3 gets the green light before the July 4th vote, the vote goes in Newcos favour but they get relegated instantly...no vote for clubs in SPFL2, no option for SPFL2 clubs and no liability to our chairman/board (or any other 1st div/SPFL2 chairman)? Could we live with that? I could if it meant league reconstruction whereby there are more teams in each league and a pyramid system, more relegation/promotion chances (play-offs too), if voting was of a fairer comparison (say majority wins) and if sponsorship and tv money is shared fairly. Edited June 22, 2012 by Steven H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Well done to the season ticket guys that have contacted the club. Every jags fan wants league reconstruction, but whether we have 2,3,4 or 5 leagues, the southside abominations must restart in the very bottom division and work their way back or there is gonna be one hell of a backlash in Scottish football from the normal club supporter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 ABERDEEN CONFIRM NO VOTE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 It now looks increasingly certain that the clubs with most to lose from newco being denied entry to the SPL will, nevertheless, vote for it. We don't benefit directly from Rangers at the moment so we have nothing to lose by voting "No" to newco. A "Yes" vote from PTFC to newco in our division will therefore be nothing more than a shoddy attempt to cash in on the situation regardless of the morality involved. Crass commercialism will not just come before sporting integrity it will grind it into the dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) It now looks increasingly certain that the clubs with most to lose from newco being denied entry to the SPL will, nevertheless, vote for it. We don't benefit directly from Rangers at the moment so we have nothing to lose by voting "No" to newco. A "Yes" vote from PTFC to newco in our division will therefore be nothing more than a shoddy attempt to cash in on the situation regardless of the morality involved. Crass commercialism will not just come before sporting integrity it will grind it into the dust. I might be wrong but surely the only way they can start in the second top league in the country is if SPHell 1 and 2 comes about next season (am I the only one to think its too late for that?). If its the norm next season then our clubs vote will be whether to allow them into Div 3 or not. Edited June 22, 2012 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The club has to make a statement ASAP about this A simple no we will not support rangers into SFL1 will be enough for most , re:SPL2 , I think it needs a full EGM to be put in place which needs 92 teams to vote and I think 21 days notice. Far to close to the season IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The club has to make a statement ASAP about this A simple no we will not support rangers into SFL1 will be enough for most , re:SPL2 , I think it needs a full EGM to be put in place which needs 92 teams to vote and I think 21 days notice. Far to close to the season IMO Totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The club has to make a statement ASAP about this A simple no we will not support rangers into SFL1 will be enough for most , re:SPL2 , I think it needs a full EGM to be put in place which needs 92 teams to vote and I think 21 days notice. Far to close to the season IMO Yes, it's too close to the new season. Restructuring would realistically have to be 2013/14 unless they suspend the start of the season and revert to summer football. Suspending the start would probably be commercial suicide. 92 teams? That illustrates exactly why structural change is needed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Someone made a good point, are all these clubs voting this way due to fan power or because they know the rangers in the 1st division 'deal' is a certainty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) The only way the defunct h u n s should be allowed direct access into Div 1 is if the SPL1 & 2 thing comes around immediately, with a 14- or 16 league SPL1, and automatic 2 up, 2 down at the end of every season. TV money divided equally between all members of SPL1, and a presumably lower but also equally distributed sponsors' fund for SPL2. Many of us have already bought season tickets for next season, believing that we can put in a genuine challenge for promotion. If the whole competition is changed at the last minute to accommodate the defunct h u n s, I for one will be asking for a refund. And if I don't get it, then I will never buy another season ticket. Edited June 22, 2012 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The only way the defunct h u n s should be allowed direct access into Div 1 is if the SPL1 & 2 thing comes around immediately, with a 14- or 16 league SPL1, and automatic 2 up, 2 down at the end of every season. TV money divided equally between all members of SPL1, and a presumably lower but also equally distributed sponsors' fund for SPL2. Many of us have already bought season tickets for next season, believing that we can put in a genuine challenge for promotion. If the whole competition is changed at the last minute to accommodate the defunct h u n s, I for one will be asking for a refund. And if I don't get it, then I will never buy another season ticket. Having already bought a season ticket, if the leagues were reorganised as you suggest, I'd be delighted with my purchase whatever the reason. Can't see it happening, though (well not this season anyway). Don't know the rules regarding refunds, but I'd imagine it should be possible given the change in the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The only way the defunct h u n s should be allowed direct access into Div 1 is if the SPL1 & 2 thing comes around immediately, with a 14- or 16 league SPL1, and automatic 2 up, 2 down at the end of every season. TV money divided equally between all members of SPL1, and a presumably lower but also equally distributed sponsors' fund for SPL2. Many of us have already bought season tickets for next season, believing that we can put in a genuine challenge for promotion. If the whole competition is changed at the last minute to accommodate the defunct h u n s, I for one will be asking for a refund. And if I don't get it, then I will never buy another season ticket. It was said previously that if there is a vote for Thistle re Rangers then, unless the above takes place, it will be to vote on whether or not they will be accepted into SFL3. The waters get muddied a wee bit tho if the SPL vote goes in Newcos favour but they then get relegated as punishment for other misdemeanors...in that scenario, I still don't think there will be a vote. Good to know you only buy a season ticket when you think we have a chance of winning the league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Good to know you only buy a season ticket when you think we have a chance of winning the league . Dear oh dear, what is that all about??? I was a season ticket holder for about 30 years up till 10 years ago. I go to Firhill every home game, does that make a season ticket holder a better supporter than me, considering that I pay more going through the gates than any season ticket holder. No need for petty point scoring here my friend! Its good news for the club if you buy a season ticket, but pay as you go is just as vital imo Edited June 22, 2012 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Dear oh dear, what is that all about??? I was a season ticket holder for about 30 years up till 10 years ago. I go to Firhill every home game, does that make a season ticket holder a better supporter than me, considering that I pay more going through the gates than any season ticket holder. No need for petty point scoring here my friend! Its good news for the club if you buy a season ticket, but pay as you go is just as vital imo Eh, it was a joke...pulling of leg...winding of up. Chill out. For the record, I too am holding off on buying a season ticket...but not just because of this situation. If it's feasable to get an ST btw, anyone need a 'mate' ? Edited June 22, 2012 by Steven H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Spoke to a friend this morning in work who is a massive Rangers fan and regularly in Ibrox meeting people. According to him it's a done deal that they will be in the 1st division next season and they are taking Dunfermlines place and fixtures. He also said that they had reached an agreement that they will have their own TV deal as well (didnt elaborate on how and who with). I was too busy ranting about how any new club should have to apply to rejoin the league and start from Div 3 to really debate any of his points. He finished the conversation with "I'll see you at Ibrox on the 18th August". Obviously this is all hearsay and I'm only telling you what he told me so dont shoot me down or throw abuse in my direction. Have to say though he has always been spot on with Rangers stuff in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Eh, it was a joke...pulling of leg...winding of up. Chill out. Perhaps you should have went for a instead of a .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Perhaps you should have went for a instead of a .......... I went with a because laughing at your own jokes is just sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Spoke to a friend this morning in work who is a massive Rangers fan and regularly in Ibrox meeting people. According to him it's a done deal that they will be in the 1st division next season and they are taking Dunfermlines place and fixtures. He also said that they had reached an agreement that they will have their own TV deal as well (didnt elaborate on how and who with). I was too busy ranting about how any new club should have to apply to rejoin the league and start from Div 3 to really debate any of his points. He finished the conversation with "I'll see you at Ibrox on the 18th August". Obviously this is all hearsay and I'm only telling you what he told me so dont shoot me down or throw abuse in my direction. Have to say though he has always been spot on with Rangers stuff in the past. So did he tell you at the start of last season that Whyte was a crook and that Rangers would be in administration later in the season and be in liquidation by the end of it? Because if he didn't I doubt a word of it is true. Not that maybe there won't be a deal to get them into the first but there's no way any of that could have been settled yet as until only a few days ago it still seemed possible they (I mean the Newco cause of course there is no old RFC) might be allowed into the SPL. So he's either been winding you up or the Newcobears are indulging in fantasy. Even if they came into the First I doubt there'd be that big a TV deal (if any - maybe Alba are offering to screen them live for £100 a game?): I mean are there going to be huge TV audiences for Newco v Dumbarton, v. Morton, even v. Us?? Especially when none of these games involves keeping up with Celtic. Edited addition: he may have had good contacts in the past but there is no RFC and Green, the current (not currant, hah) owner of the Newco seems to be thrashing about with no clue at the moment. I doubt anyone can say what is going to happen with any certainty except for two general comments: RFC/Newco will not be fully and fairly punished BUT they will be a severely damaged and weakened club for some time to come. Hopefully severely damaged enough to allow some vital changes to happen in Scottish football. Edited June 22, 2012 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I went with a because laughing at your own jokes is just sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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