Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Those brought about by having substantially higher attendances every week as well as getting our cut of a TV deal that never existed in the First Division. Quite simple really. Did you see the full houses in the SPL last season? especially for the Friday night games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 You want money from tv then you get Friday night kickoffs .... And the fact is the money from tv cannot be replaced by fan numbers ... Eg in Spain the primera liga games are played fri- mon and every game had a Different kick off time and you only know the day and time of matches 10-14 days before .... We could stay in Div 1 and play e dry game at 3pm on a Saturday .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 We need TV money AND maximum income from fans attending, and the better match day experience that the atmosphere provides. E club should put serious effort into this next season, and if that meant employing someone on a one year contract to give it a go then they should do so. **** it, I'm in the process of being made unemployed, maybe I should send my CV in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Did you see the full houses in the SPL last season? especially for the Friday night games Who said we need full houses? Playing teams of Celtic and Aberdeen's stature as opposed to those of Cowdenbeath and Airdrie will see a significant improvement on our gate receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 You want money from tv then you get Friday night kickoffs .... And the fact is the money from tv cannot be replaced by fan numbers ... Eg in Spain the primera liga games are played fri- mon and every game had a Different kick off time and you only know the day and time of matches 10-14 days before .... We could stay in Div 1 and play e dry game at 3pm on a Saturday .... The Spanish TV deal is worth considerably more to their clubs than the one to ours, they get around £140 million a year for the top league, we get around £60 million over 5 years split between 42 clubs, their TV money will be alot more than fans bring in but we will be lucky to get £500K from the deal, add to that no sponsorship for the league and we need the fans money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Who said we need full houses? Playing teams of Celtic and Aberdeen's stature as opposed to those of Cowdenbeath and Airdrie will see a significant improvement on our gate receipts. St Mirren were quoted as stating a live game versus Celtic and their income is down compared to other games based on the extra policing and stewarding costs, their own fans failing to go due to the nature of the OF plus it being on the telly. Aberdeen may bring 2000 at a push, the days of the red army (or any other fans) travelling are long gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't think the tv deal is split simply over 42 clubs .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't think the tv deal is split simply over 42 clubs .... Every Club gets a varying share, but £12 million isn't going to be split 12 ways, even if half goes to the top 10 and the rest going to the bottom 30 it gives us £500K and the other leagues £200k each, we may if lucky be on slightly more but not that much no where near the million mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ian. Do you have such a knowledge of corporate hospitality that you can suggest a contract can be torn up because they use reheated food? As mentioned elsewhere in this thread im pretty sure its standard fare in all sorts of arenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 St Mirren were quoted as stating a live game versus Celtic and their income is down compared to other games based on the extra policing and stewarding costs, their own fans failing to go due to the nature of the OF plus it being on the telly. Aberdeen may bring 2000 at a push, the days of the red army (or any other fans) travelling are long gone Would you deny at all that we will be seeing a substantial increase in income from attendances this coming season, compared to previous seasons in the SFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamps Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Just because we will be making more money next season than we have for several years doesn't mean we can afford to be lax with any other revenue stream. These to my mind are not major issues yet but should be definite red flags to our board to look at improving. Big businesses don't get to be big by slacking off in some areas because turnover is up. Continuous improvement in all areas is a must for our club and the blueprint for that is right here in this thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 And what is that blueprint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neiljag Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Every Club gets a varying share, but £12 million isn't going to be split 12 ways, even if half goes to the top 10 and the rest going to the bottom 30 it gives us £500K and the other leagues £200k each, we may if lucky be on slightly more but not that much no where near the million mark Worst case scenario we're still earning 630k more than last season. Even if gates were down as a result (which they won't be FYI) the revenue the club will earn in 13/14 will easily dwarf that of 12/13. http://sport.stv.tv/...ction-revealed/ Edited July 16, 2013 by Neiljag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Would you deny at all that we will be seeing a substantial increase in income from attendances this coming season, compared to previous seasons in the SFL? Not sure just how substantial it is??? from an average of 4000 to 4500 that would give us aroung £50K less tax, what did we get for the ramsdens?? remember fans turn out to see a winning team not one sitting 4th bottom with hee haw to play for, SPL players / staff want greater wages, policing and stewarding costs rise all eats into it and if we can't do the basics like answering mails, heating pies, selling strips where the badges stay on and keeping clean hospitality and catering, you start to alienate some of the fans that are coming, just look how many SPL teams are in trouble, and every time we have went up its nearly crippled us and it had a better TV and sponsorship deal then. The top league is not this land of milk and honey so many make out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Worst case scenario we're still earning 630k more than last season. Even if gates were down as a result (which they won't be FYI) the revenue the club will earn in 13/14 will easily dwarf that of 12/13. http://sport.stv.tv/...ction-revealed/ This was the proposed deal on a different model with greater TV and sponsorship and was rejected as the figures never added up "This example uses the current SPL prize pot of £17,965,000 per season." That TV deal now goes all 4 leagues and we have NO sponsor for the league or leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamps Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 And what is that blueprint? See post number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ian. Do you have such a knowledge of corporate hospitality that you can suggest a contract can be torn up because they use reheated food? As mentioned elsewhere in this thread im pretty sure its standard fare in all sorts of arenas. Surely failing a food hygiene inspection would give grounds for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ian. Do you have such a knowledge of corporate hospitality that you can suggest a contract can be torn up because they use reheated food? As mentioned elsewhere in this thread im pretty sure its standard fare in all sorts of arenas. Standard fare? So it's standard fare for environmental health to be completely unsatisfied with the state of the kitchens? Is it standard for hospitality to only run 4-5 times a year because the demand has become so low? If that's standard fare then count me out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Those brought about by having substantially higher attendances every week as well as getting our cut of a TV deal that never existed in the First Division. Quite simple really. That's fantastic. No figures tho? What sort of increase in expenditure to you for see? Roughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Who said we need full houses? Playing teams of Celtic and Aberdeen's stature as opposed to those of Cowdenbeath and Airdrie will see a significant improvement on our gate receipts. Just to add this will be the same Celtic & Aberdeen who are rumoured to be closing parts of their grounds next season due to dropping attendances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 And what is that blueprint? Concentrate on the simple things that the fans take as read, Edible food at a reasonable pricing Correct pricing information for tickets Clear communication on seating arrangements Replica gear that is easily accessible (not out of town), competitively priced and doesn't fall apart And most importantly where an area starts to drop (Hospitality, catering, sale of clothing etc) identify why but talking AND LISTENING to your customers (with out them their is no business), You have to stabilize the process before you can improve the product and we are not doing that, before any improvements are made what is known as the VoC (Voice of the Customer) needs to be known, you cater your inputs to suit what is expected from your outputs (The Customer), this is standard business model (SIPOC), and the guys at the helm will know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 That's fantastic. No figures tho? Is a breakdown in figures really necessary to understand that we will be experiencing far superior levels of income as a result of playing in the SPL than SFL1? Are you denying that this will be the case? What sort of increase in expenditure to you for see? Roughly. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Sorry guys but replying to two threads in one go here. Ian you made it very clear in the post on page one of this thread that based on the admission that sporting solutions reheat food that thistle should rip up the contract. Im saying thats standard fare. Scamps, im still not seeing much of a blueprint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Thanks for the blueprint. That makes more sense than referring to the original post. ......although probably worth mentioning football in that blueprint as thats why we go in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Thanks for the blueprint. That makes more sense than referring to the original post. ......although probably worth mentioning football in that blueprint as thats why we go in the first place! Which comes down to the (QUOTE)"And most importantly where an area starts to drop identify why but talking AND LISTENING to your customers (with out them their is no business)," like sacking the bunnet, even if it took too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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