The Jukebox Rebel Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Couldn't say ptd, never actually seen the incident just remember the "atmosphere". Mind you, Glasgow 2014 might have missed a trick. Pie Hurling, sponsored by McGhees, could have been an excellent new decathlon discipline though I'm not too sure the late and rt. hon. Jimmy Aitken, Esq. would agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 ptd – you surely overestimate me! I’ve got nothing decent linking Jags and the Commonwealth. I had a quick decko but to my complete astonishment, Jackie Husband was never a discus champion nor was Gordon Rae ever a gold medallist in the shot-put Never mind, but hey listen - I don’t come back empty handed. You made me think of THAT Commonwealth Stadium which in turn put me in mind of a wee anecdote which has always tickled me, possibly because I was there and feel the story (I never threw the pie though, honest!) The following excerpt comes from that much loved romantic thriller, Red and Yellow Forever… … The Scene: Meadowbank Stadium, 30th January 1985… “There were many ‘lows’ and a few ‘highs’ during this depressing period, but arguably we fell till we could fall no further when we played Meadowbank Thistle in a Scottish Cup tie through in Edinburgh. Thistle led 2-1 at half-time, but would this be enough with a gale-force wind to face after the interval? We were soon to discover the answer to that. They ripped us apart and we lost – 4-2 eventually. It had been a shocking performance from Thistle, all in white for the night [note this fantastic attention to detail. Robert’s game notes could most likely tell you what colour of socks the Meadowbank goalie was wearing]. Our faces were of a matching hue. The Thistle fans were understandably incensed. Those of you who are familiar with the lay-out of Meadowbank Stadium (what a place to play a football match – still, at least our days of playing there are at end!) will realise that the Director’s Box is no more than a sectioned area of the stand – very vulnerable! Our officials received the full brunt of the fans’ wrath, and President Jimmy Aitken received the full brunt of a couple of mutton pies he hadn’t even ordered! He talks to this day about this unsavoury incident. It was certainly a night to forget – one of the most shameful in my Thistle experience.” ~ Robert W. Reid, 1996 I had the misfortune of being there that night & it was certainly a low of the many lows of the 80's. For those young enough to have missed them, all I can say is you were lucky!!! Apart from the result & performance that night,my main memory is of Gordon Dalziel being on the park wearing a Jags strip. To say he 'played' would be a lie!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Amongst our current Premiership peers, Thistle are presently defending the longest (by time span) unbeaten run for "Top Flight season openers". It began more than 22 years ago - on the 1st August 1992 with a 1-0 victory against Airdrieonians at Firhill. You have to rewind back 33 years to find our last opening day reverse at this level - 1-0 at home to Rangers in August 1981. The 7 game run in full: 01.08.1992 Airdrieonians [h] W1-0 07.08.1993 Hibernian [a] D0-0 13.08.1994 Kilmarnock [h] W2-0 26.08.1995 Hibernian [h] D1-1 03.08.2002 Dundee United [h] D0-0 09.08.2003 Livingston [h] D1-1 02.08.2013 Dundee United [h] D0-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Make that a big fat underlined and bolded 8! Last night’s gallus triumph was the 99th occasion in which the Jags have emerged victorious in the Top Flight with at least a 4 goal winning margin. It first happened away back in 1903: 21.11.1903 Kilmarnock [h] W4-0 In season 1926-27 we done it six times: 18.09.1926 Kilmarnock [h] W5-0 02.10.1926 Hibernian [h] W5-1 23.10.1926 Dunfermline Athletic [h] W5-1 13.11.1926 Airdrieonians [h] W5-1 01.01.1927 Clyde [a] W5-0 19.03.1927 Aberdeen [h] W4-0 For years, a 4 goal Top Flight win was no biggie for the Jags – but times have changed. Before last night we had only managed it once in the last 32 years: 07.12.2002 Dunfermline Athletic [h] W4-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yet again, Archie & Shaggy's team are challenging amongst the greatest Jags stats. In terms of opening the League campaign, last night’s 4 goal margin nestles jointly second in the all-time table. Biggest Margin of Victory (Opening League game) 6 goals 07.09.1957 Queen's Park [a] W6-0 (SFL First Division) 4 goals 12.08.1933 Hamilton Academical [a] W7-3 (SFL First Division) 29.08.1970 Stenhousemuir [h] W4-0 (SFL Second Division) 13.08.2014 Ross County [h] W4-0 (SPFL Premiership) 3 goals 11.08.1894 Dundee Wanderers [h] W5-2 (SFL Second Division) 10.08.1940 Dumbarton [h] W5-2 (Southern League) 09.09.1950 Raith Rovers [h] W5-2 (SFL Division A) 08.08.1936 Queen of the South [h] W4-1 (SFL First Division) 10.08.1946 Hamilton Academical [h] W4-1 (SFL Division A) 02.09.1972 Dumbarton [h] W4-1 (SFL First Division) 14.08.1948 Albion Rovers [h] W3-0 (SFL Division A) 31.08.1974 Dunfermline Athletic [h] W3-0 (SFL First Division) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted December 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Jaggy factoid # 4040 At the Caledonian Stadium On Saturday 13th December 2014, Partick Thistle defeated Inverness CT by 4 goals to nothing, securing a landmark victory. It was the 100th occasion in which Thistle have triumphed with a 4 goal margin in the top flight of the SFL. The victory was all the more remarkable as the home side were second in the table and were protecting an unbeaten home record. Alan Archibald's Jags became only the second side in our history to win by a 4 goal away margin vs. a Top 2 side in the Top Flight. The only previous occurrence was back on Saturday 28th April 1956 when we won 4-0 at Pittodrie against second placed Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted December 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Jaggy factoid # 1 A newly signed teenage 'keeper from Kirkintilloch Rob Roy made his competitive debut for Thistle against Rangers at Ibrox on the 28th August 1926. Johnny Jackson wasn't phased. In fact, he done so well that he literally became an immovable object as Jags’ custodian. In all, from the 28th August 1926 until the 25th March 1933 he set a stunning club record by playing in 313 consecutive competitive matches for Partick Thistle. His record was finally broken on the 1st April 1933 - at the behest of the Scotland national team - when he helped his country to a fine 2-1 championship victory against the Auld enemy at Hampden, whilst Thistle were in League action at Firs Park. From debut to last game, this proved to be the only competitive fixture that he missed for the club. The Chelsea cheque book lured the ‘keeper away shortly afterwards, and he departed for Stamford Bridge in June 1933. Johnny's awesome 6 ½ year run incorporated six tournaments as follows: 258 - SFL First Division 30 - Scottish Cup 13 - Glasgow Cup 8 - Glasgow Charity Cup 3 - Glasgow Dental Cup 1 - Stirling Charity Cup Following on from the above, I was delighted to be able to establish that Johnny Jackson’s incredible consecutive appearance record for Thistle actually translates as an all-Scottish club record. We don’t get too many of these so this was a very rewarding bit of research. Jaggy factoid # 2 ▪ Spring-heeled Jakey - 5'9 going on 9'2. Here, he fists away from Andy Campbell at Dens Park, 12th December 1931. On the 25th March 1933, Johnny Jackson set Partick Thistle’s club record for most consecutive competitive appearances – 313 games in all. That day, his final totals also translated to a national level, and he gained the Scottish club record for “Most Consecutive Scottish League Appearances” by playing in 258 non-stop games – an awesome stretch which had begun 6 ½ years earlier on 28th August 1926. In this category, his closest challenger to date has been Doug Smith of Dundee United who reached 251 on the 18th September 1971. Removing all local Cup ties (as is standard practice for queries on a national level), Johnny also takes the all-time Scottish crown for “Most Consecutive Competitive Scottish Club Football Appearances” with 288 non-stop games. In this category, his closest challenger to date has been Ally Shewan of Aberdeen who reached 282 on the 23rd April 1969. Most Consecutive Scottish League Appearances 258 - Johnny Jackson (Partick Thistle, GK) 28th August 1926 to 25th March 1933 251 - Doug Smith (Dundee Utd, CH) 19th February 1964 to 18th September 1971 ______________________________________________________________________________ 219 - Walter Boyd (Meadowbank Thistle, WH) 23rd February 1982 to 12th September 1987 217 - Willie Robb (Rangers, GK) 13th April 1920 to 24th October 1925 197 - Ally Shewan (Aberdeen, CH) 19th October 1963 to 23rd April 1969 194 - Henry Smith (Heart of Midlothian) 3rd April 1982 to 4th April 1987 193 - Charlie Shaw (Celtic, GK) 16th August 1913 to 30th September 1918 192 - Kenny Thomson (Dunfermline, WH) 15th September 1976 to 25th April 1981 179 - Bobby Brown (Rangers, GK) 10th August 1946 to 16th April 1952 170 - Cammy Murray (St Mirren, CH) 22nd August 1962 to 27th April 1967 notes: Query includes all SFL, SPL, SPFL matches 1890 to date. The Top Two positions are confirmed beyond challengers. There are several candidates who have 100% attendance records for four consecutive League seasons (e.g. Graeme Armstrong, John Colquhoun) who could nestle into to a Top Ten position. Henry Smith and Kenny Thomson were two examples that I looked at, and both duly did nestle in as above. Most Consecutive Competitive Scottish Club Football Appearances 288 - Johnny Jackson (Partick Thistle, GK) 28th August 1926 to 25th March 1933 282 - Ally Shewan (Aberdeen, CH) 19th October 1963 to 23rd April 1969 ______________________________________________________________________________ 255 - Walter Boyd (Meadowbank Thistle, WH) 23rd February 1982 to 12th September 1987 244 - Bobby Brown (Rangers, GK) 2nd November 1946 to 16th April 1952 241 - Willie Robb (Rangers, GK) 13th April 1920 to 24th October 1925 227 - Kenny Thomson (Dunfermline, WH) 15th September 1976 to 26th August 1981 208 - Doug Smith (Dundee Utd, CH) 19th February 1964 to 24th August 1968 200 - Charlie Shaw (Celtic, GK) 16th August 1913 to 30th September 1918 notes: Query includes all SFL, SPL, SPFL, Scottish Cup, League Cup, Summer Cup, European, Drybrough Cup and Anglo-Scottish Cup matches 1890 to date. Local Cup games excluded on the grounds of fair parameters. The Top Two are positions are confirmed beyond challengers. There are several candidates who have 100% attendance records for four consecutive League seasons (e.g. Graeme Armstrong, John Colquhoun) who could nestle into to a Top Ten position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Following on from the above, I was delighted to be able to establish that Johnny Jackson’s incredible consecutive appearance record for Thistle actually translates as an all-Scottish club record. We don’t get too many of these so this was a very rewarding bit of research. Jaggy factoid # 2 ▪ Spring-heeled Jakey - 5'9 going on 9'2. Here, he fists away from Andy Campbell at Dens Park, 12th December 1931. On the 25th March 1933, Johnny Jackson set Partick Thistle’s club record for most consecutive competitive appearances – 313 games in all. That day, his final totals also translated to a national level, and he gained the Scottish club record for “Most Consecutive Scottish League Appearances” by playing in 258 non-stop games – an awesome stretch which had begun 6 ½ years earlier on 28th August 1926. In this category, his closest challenger to date has been Doug Smith of Dundee United who reached 251 on the 18th September 1971. Removing all local Cup ties (as is standard practice for queries on a national level), Johnny also takes the all-time Scottish crown for “Most Consecutive Competitive Scottish Club Football Appearances” with 288 non-stop games. In this category, his closest challenger to date has been Ally Shewan of Aberdeen who reached 282 on the 23rd April 1969. Most Consecutive Scottish League Appearances 258 - Johnny Jackson (Partick Thistle, GK) 28th August 1926 to 25th March 1933 251 - Doug Smith (Dundee Utd, CH) 19th February 1964 to 18th September 1971 ______________________________________________________________________________ 219 - Walter Boyd (Meadowbank Thistle, WH) 23rd February 1982 to 12th September 1987 217 - Willie Robb (Rangers, GK) 13th April 1920 to 24th October 1925 197 - Ally Shewan (Aberdeen, CH) 19th October 1963 to 23rd April 1969 194 - Henry Smith (Heart of Midlothian) 3rd April 1982 to 4th April 1987 193 - Charlie Shaw (Celtic, GK) 16th August 1913 to 30th September 1918 192 - Kenny Thomson (Dunfermline, WH) 15th September 1976 to 25th April 1981 179 - Bobby Brown (Rangers, GK) 10th August 1946 to 16th April 1952 170 - Cammy Murray (St Mirren, CH) 22nd August 1962 to 27th April 1967 notes: Query includes all SFL, SPL, SPFL matches 1890 to date. The Top Two positions are confirmed beyond challengers. There are several candidates who have 100% attendance records for four consecutive League seasons (e.g. Graeme Armstrong, John Colquhoun) who could nestle into to a Top Ten position. Henry Smith and Kenny Thomson were two examples that I looked at, and both duly did nestle in as above. Most Consecutive Competitive Scottish Club Football Appearances 288 - Johnny Jackson (Partick Thistle, GK) 28th August 1926 to 25th March 1933 282 - Ally Shewan (Aberdeen, CH) 19th October 1963 to 23rd April 1969 ______________________________________________________________________________ 255 - Walter Boyd (Meadowbank Thistle, WH) 23rd February 1982 to 12th September 1987 244 - Bobby Brown (Rangers, GK) 2nd November 1946 to 16th April 1952 241 - Willie Robb (Rangers, GK) 13th April 1920 to 24th October 1925 227 - Kenny Thomson (Dunfermline, WH) 15th September 1976 to 26th August 1981 208 - Doug Smith (Dundee Utd, CH) 19th February 1964 to 24th August 1968 200 - Charlie Shaw (Celtic, GK) 16th August 1913 to 30th September 1918 notes: Query includes all SFL, SPL, SPFL, Scottish Cup, League Cup, Summer Cup, European, Drybrough Cup and Anglo-Scottish Cup matches 1890 to date. Local Cup games excluded on the grounds of fair parameters. The Top Two are positions are confirmed beyond challengers. There are several candidates who have 100% attendance records for four consecutive League seasons (e.g. Graeme Armstrong, John Colquhoun) who could nestle into to a Top Ten position. Another fascinating read. Great picture. I wonder what the colours of that Thistle jersey were, given that we didn't adopt the R&Y hoops until 1935. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 ^^^Great stuff! Shirts? Dark blue,wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 ^^^Great stuff! Shirts? Dark blue,wasn't it? Normally it would have been dark blue, but Dundee are probably playing in dark blue, so we're in the hoops in the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted January 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 Another fascinating read. Great picture. I wonder what the colours of that Thistle jersey were, given that we didn't adopt the R&Y hoops until 1935. Funny enough, I was wondering the same. I shall keep my eyes peeled for written clues. This colourer inerer portrays a kind of wine and mustard for 1935-36, which seems to be some sort of cousin not far removed from the black and mustard hoops that was the home strip at the start of the 20th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted January 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Jaggy trivia # 3210 ▪ Archie McLeod, 1932. In 1933, Dr. Who’s Grandad scored twice for Thistle against Clyde. Archie McLeod, whose grandson is David Tennant, was only at Firhill for a short period in the autumn of that year and both of his goals came in a 3-3 draw at Shawfield in the First Division, 9th September 1933. Archie’s scoring ratio wasn’t too bad with 2 goals in 3 games – but this pales into insignificance beside his greatest achievement at Derry City – an out of this world total of 57 goals in season 1934-35! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hJlEq5VLyc Edited January 2, 2015 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) International Jags Lyle Taylor is the 32nd Partick Thistle player to gain an officially recognised International Cap. 25 out of the first 26 Thistle internationalists won their caps with Scotland. Thistle's last 6 cap winners have been with nations other than Scotland. Thistle players have won caps in all 6 possible continents, but Lyle is the first to win a cap in the Caribbean. Thistle's first-time caps, as they happened... Date of first cap as a Jag - Player (Overall Cap Seq.) - MATCH (Match Details) 10.03.1888 - Willie Paul (1/3) - SCOTLAND 5-1 WALES (British Home Championship @ Easter Road Park, Edinburgh, Att: 8,000) 21.03.1891 - John McCorkindale (1/1) - WALES 3-4 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Att: 4,000) 06.03.1905 - Sam Kennedy (1/1) - WALES 3-1 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Att: 6,000) 18.03.1905 - Neilly Gibson (14/14) - SCOTLAND 4-0 IRELAND (British Home Championship @ Celtic Park, Glasgow, Att: 35,000) 18.03.1905 - Willie Howden (1/1) - SCOTLAND 4-0 IRELAND (British Home Championship @ Celtic Park, Glasgow, Att: 35,000) 26.02.1920 - Jimmy McMullan (1/16) - WALES 1-1 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ Ninian Park, Cardiff, Att: 16,000) 10.04.1920 - Kenny Campbell (3 of 8) - ENGLAND 5-4 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ Hillsborough, Sheffield, Att: 35,000) 12.02.1921 - Joe Harris (1/2) - SCOTLAND 2-1 WALES (British Home Championship @ Pittodrie, Aberdeen, Att: 20,824) 04.03.1922 - Jimmy Kinloch (1/1) - SCOTLAND 2-1 NORTHERN IRELAND (British Home Championship @ Celtic Park, Glasgow, Att: 40,000) 22.10.1924 - Harry Chatton (1/3) - ENGLAND 3-1 NORTHERN IRELAND (British Home Championship @ Goodison Park, Liverpool, Att: 25,000) 17.04.1926 - Jimmy Gibson (1/8) - ENGLAND 0-1 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ Old Trafford, Manchester, Att: 49,000) 16.05.1931 - Johnny Jackson (1/8) - AUSTRIA 5-0 SCOTLAND (Friendly @ Hohe Warte, Vienna, Att: 40,000) 06.04.1935 - George Cummings (1/9) - SCOTLAND 2-0 ENGLAND (British Home Championship @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 129,693) 07.12.1938 - Alex McSpadyen (1/2) - SCOTLAND 3-1 HUNGARY (Friendly @ Ibrox, Glasgow, Att: 23,000) 23.01.1946 - Jimmy McGowan (1/1) - SCOTLAND 2-2 BELGIUM (Friendly @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 48,830) 15.05.1946 - Jackie Husband (1/2) - SCOTLAND 3-1 SWITZERLAND (Friendly @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 111,899) 19.10.1946 - Hugh Brown (1/3) - WALES 3-1 SCOTLAND (British Home Championship @ The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Att: 29,568) 04.11.1953 - Johnny Mackenzie (1/9) - SCOTLAND 3-3 WALES (British Home Championship / World Cup Qualifier @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 71,378) 05.05.1954 - Jimmy Davidson (1/8) - SCOTLAND 1-0 NORWAY (Friendly @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 25,897) 25.05.1954 - Davie Mathers (1/1) - FINLAND 1-2 SCOTLAND (Friendly @ Olympiastadion, Helsinki, Att: 21,685) 19.05.1955 - Andy Kerr (1/2) - AUSTRIA 1-4 SCOTLAND (Friendly @ Praterstadion, Vienna, Att: 65,000) 13.11.1957 - Tommy Ewing (1/2) - SCOTLAND 1-1 WALES (British Home Championship @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 42,918) 10.11.1971 - John Hansen (1/2) - SCOTLAND 1-0 BELGIUM (European Championship Qualifier @ Pittodrie, Aberdeen, Att: 36,500) 29.06.1972 - Alex Forsyth (1/10) - SCOTLAND 2-2 YUGOSLAVIA (Brazil Independence Cup @ Estadio Mineirao, Belo Horizonte, Att: 4,000) 07.04.1976 - Alan Rough (1/53) - SCOTLAND 1-0 SWITZERLAND (Friendly @ Hampden Park, Glasgow, Att: 15,531) 26.05.1996 - Nicky Walker (2/2) - U.S.A. 2-1 SCOTLAND (Friendly @ Veterans Memorial Stadium, New Britain, Att: 8,526) 02.10.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (10/28) - NAMIBIA 1-1 ANGOLA (COSAFA Cup Final, 2nd leg @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 12,000) 12.02.2003 - Stephen Craigan (1/54) - NORTHERN IRELAND 0-1 FINLAND (Friendly @ Windsor Park, Belfast, Att: 6,137) 20.08.2003 - Jákup Mikkelsen (31/73) - FAROE ISLANDS 1-2 ICELAND (European Championship Qualifier @ Tórsvøllur, Tórshavn, Att: 3,416) 29.05.2004 - Adrian Madaschi (1/5) - AUSTRALIA 1-0 NEW ZEALAND (World Cup Qualifier @ Hindmarsh Stadium, Adelaide, Att: 12,100) 19.11.2008 - Jonny Tuffey (1/8) - NORTHERN IRELAND 0-2 HUNGARY (Friendly @ Windsor Park, Belfast, Att: 6,251) 27.03.2015 - Lyle Taylor (1/2) - CURAÇAO 2-1 MONTSERRAT (World Cup Qualifier @ Ergilio Hato Stadium, Brievengat) Edited April 1, 2015 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) International Jags Lyle's debut cap was the 143rd to be directly awarded to a Partick Thistle player (now 144, 4 days later) - an average of more than one per season since 1876! Between them, Thistle's 32 internationalists have amassed a grand total of 345 officially recognised International Caps @ 1 April 2015. Montserrat becomes only the seventh nation to have awarded an international cap to a Partick Thistle player. They follow on from Scotland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Namibia, Faroe Islands and Australia. No. of caps as a Jag - Player (COUNTRY) Total Caps for country 51 - Alan Rough (SCO) 53 caps 9 - Johnny Mackenzie (SCO) 9 caps 8 - Jimmy McMullan (SCO) 16 caps 8 - Jimmy Davidson (SCO) 8 caps 6 - Kenny Campbell (SCO) 8 caps 5 - Jonny Tuffey (NIR) 8 caps 4 - Alex Forsyth (SCO) 10 caps 4 - Jimmy Gibson (SCO) 8 caps 4 - Johnny Jackson (SCO) 8 caps 4 - Adrian Madaschi (AUS) 5 caps 3 - Stephen Craigan (NIR) 54 caps 3 - George Cummings (SCO) 9 caps 3 - Harry Chatton (NIR/IRE) 6 caps 3 - Willie Paul (SCO) 3 caps 3 - Hugh Brown (SCO) 3 caps 2 - Jákup Mikkelsen (FRO) 73 caps 2 - Quinton Jacobs (NAM) 28 caps 2 - Joe Harris (SCO) 2 caps 2 - Alex McSpadyen (SCO) 2 caps 2 - Jackie Husband (SCO) 2 caps 2 - Andy Kerr (SCO) 2 caps 2 - Tommy Ewing (SCO) 2 caps 2 - John Hansen (SCO) 2 caps 2 - Lyle Taylor (MSR) 2 caps 1 - Neilly Gibson (SCO) 14 caps 1 - Nicky Walker (SCO) 2 caps 1 - John McCorkindale (SCO) 1 cap 1 - Sam Kennedy (SCO) 1 cap 1 - Willie Howden (SCO) 1 cap 1 - Jimmy Kinloch (SCO) 1 cap 1 - Jimmy McGowan (SCO) 1 cap 1 - Davie Mathers (SCO) 1 cap Edited April 1, 2015 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 International Jags Lyle becomes just the 5th player in history to score an international goal as a Partick Thistle player. Lyle is only the second Thistle player to have scored on his international debut, and is the first to do so since Willie Paul in 1888. No. of Int. goals as a Jag - Player (COUNTRY) Total goals for country 5 - Willie Paul (SCO) 5 goals 2 - Adrian Madaschi (AUS) 2 goals 1 - Johnny Mackenzie (SCO) 1 goal 1 - Jimmy Davidson (SCO) 1 goal 1 - Lyle Taylor (MSR) 1 goal 0 - Quinton Jacobs (NAM) 2 goals 0 - Neilly Gibson (SCO) 1 goal 0 - Jimmy Gibson (SCO) 1 goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuthejag Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 But Lyle isin't a Thistle player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 But Lyle isin't a Thistle player Interesting point for debate... The fact is that he is on the official team sheets, match reports and photos as playing for Thistle....... On that basis I would think that even a player on loan qualifies as a Thistle player once he pulls on the jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Interesting point for debate... The fact is that he is on the official team sheets, match reports and photos as playing for Thistle....... On that basis I would think that even a player on loan qualifies as a Thistle player once he pulls on the jersey. Agree entirely. If he isn't a thistle player, why on earth is he pulling on a shirt for us and scoring goals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 But would that be official as he is a Scunthorpe United player? But Lyle isin't a Thistle player Listen, before this week, I couldnae even spell Montserrat, never mind analyse the intricacies of player registration articles. However, if there’s one thing I am quite good at, it’s getting the stats right. And, as a keen hobbyist, I do give careful consideration to these “dilemmas” which invariably crop up when you’re compiling the facts and figures. I gave the cap credit to Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle) instinctively, given what I already knew about precedent from other “stattos” who’ve handled such instances. On that basis, I didn’t even give it a second thought, to be honest. However, ever keen to keep the stats bang-on, I’ve looked into what you’re saying and here’s what I find: Player registration FIFA, in their “Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players” clearly state that a player may only be registered with one club at a time (Article 5) and that a loan is subject to the same rules as apply to the transfer of players (Article 10). Simply put, when a player goes on loan his registration is transferred temporarily from one club to another. If Scunthorpe currently have any control over Lyle it will only be via clauses specifically stated in the terms of the temporary transfer agreement, which is agreed in advance by the two clubs and the player himself, with all parties signing to the agreement. As our Mr Maxwell will undoubtedly testify, the SFA is very clear and very strict on this matter. Section 3.3 on pages 15 and 16 repeatedly makes clear that a Loan is a temporary transfer and the phrase "temporary transfer of a player's registration” is used repeatedly. In line with these rules set out by FIFA and the SFA, it’s clear that Lyle is currently a registered Partick Thistle player and he will remain so until the agreement end date or until Scunthorpe invoke any return clause which may have been included. Montserrat squad lists All over the world, there are match reports and squad lists quoting Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle), as well as the Montserrat national football team Wiki. I even heard a radio broadcast quoting Partick Thistle! Not once have I seen a Montserrat squad list credit Scunthorpe. Precedent I refer you to the Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation for a typical example of how the stats world handles instances such as Lyle’s. The first game on that list is the Scotland friendly in Warsaw from March 2014 which includes Alan Hutton, with the bracketed club credit given to Bolton Wanderers with whom he was on loan from Aston Villa. Summary I’m comfortable with the position I’ve taken. It's both technically correct and naturally logical. I look forward to Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle) winning his second cap tomorrow night. I’m hoping you gents will join me with the same wish? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I agree with your position re Lyle Taylor being a registered Thistle player therefore a Thistle cap. I'm not so sure about counting friendlies in players' overall Thistle stats though although I'll save that debate for another time. :-) It might be worth having a second look at Quinton Jacobs' stats while a registered Thistle player. I'm sure he won a further cap while still under contract, and therefore registered, with Thistle even though it was clear that he wouldn't be returning to Scotland. A not disimiliar situation to Nicky Walker when he was capped while still a Thistle player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 As regards David Tennant's grandfather. Apparently in the Clyde game he scored our second goal - put us 2-0 up but then got injured and spent the rest of the game hobbling about on the left wing. Needless to say Clyde came back to lead 3-2 but the injured granpa scored the equaliser in the 87th minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I agree with your position re Lyle Taylor being a registered Thistle player therefore a Thistle cap. I'm not so sure about counting friendlies in players' overall Thistle stats though although I'll save that debate for another time. :-) I look forward to it :-) It might be worth having a second look at Quinton Jacobs' stats while a registered Thistle player. I'm sure he won a further cap while still under contract, and therefore registered, with Thistle even though it was clear that he wouldn't be returning to Scotland. Thanks Tom, 4 eyes are better than 2 every time. Funny you should say this because I had to stop and carefully consider Quinton's position. Firstly, his 28 FIFA-recognised games: 01.08.1998 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 1 of 28 - NAMIBIA 2-1 MALAWI (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 5,000) 08.08.1998 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 2 of 28 - ZAMBIA 1-1 NAMIBIA (COSAFA Cup @ Independence Stadium, Lusaka, Att: 15,000) 12.09.1998 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 3 of 28 - NAMIBIA 2-1 MOZAMBIQUE (COSAFA Cup @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 8,000) 03.10.1998 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 4 of 28 - NAMIBIA 0-1 CONGO-BRAZZAVILLE (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 10,000) 24.01.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 5 of 28 - CÔTE D'IVOIRE 3-0 NAMIBIA (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Stade Félix Houphouet Boigny, Abidjan, Att: 15,000) 05.06.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 6 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-1 CÔTE D'IVOIRE (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 10,000) 20.06.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 7 of 28 - CONGO-BRAZZAVILLE 3-0 NAMIBIA (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Stade Municipal, Pointe-Noire, Att: 20,000) 31.07.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 8 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-1 SOUTH AFRICA (COSAFA Cup Quarter Final @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 23,000) 28.08.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Africa) 9 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-1 SWAZILAND (COSAFA Cup Semi-Final @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 12,000) 02.10.1999 - Quinton Jacobs (Partick Thistle) 10 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-1 ANGOLA (COSAFA Cup Final, 2nd leg @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 12,000) 14.05.2000 - Quinton Jacobs (Partick Thistle) 11 of 28 - ZIMBABWE 3-1 NAMIBIA (COSAFA Cup Quarter Final @ National Stadium, Harare, Att: 15,000) 17.06.2000 - Quinton Jacobs (No Club) 12 of 28 - NAMIBIA 0-0 MOROCCO (World Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 5,000) 15.07.2000 - Quinton Jacobs (MSV Duisburg) 13 of 28 - NAMIBIA 8-2 BENIN (African Nations Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 5,000) 26.01.2001 - Quinton Jacobs (MSV Duisburg) 14 of 28 - ALGERIA 1-0 NAMIBIA (World Cup Qualifier @ Stade du 5 Juillet, Algiers, Att: 30,000) 24.02.2001 - Quinton Jacobs (MSV Duisburg) 15 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-1 EGYPT (World Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 15,000) 11.03.2001 - Quinton Jacobs (MSV Duisburg) 16 of 28 - SENEGAL 4-0 NAMIBIA (World Cup Qualifier @ Stade Léopold Sédar Senghor, Dakar, Att: 50,000) 30.06.2001 - Quinton Jacobs (No Club) 17 of 28 - NAMIBIA 0-4 ALGERIA (World Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 900) 21.07.2001 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Leopards) 18 of 28 - NAMIBIA 0-5 SENEGAL (World Cup Qualifier @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 800) 21.04.2002 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Leopards) 19 of 28 - SWAZILAND 2-1 NAMIBIA (COSAFA Cup 1st Round @ Somhlolo National Stadium, Mbabane, Att: 15,000) 15.03.2003 - Quinton Jacobs (Black Leopards) 20 of 28 - NAMIBIA 0-1 BOTSWANA (COSAFA Cup 1st Round @ Independence Stadium, Windhoek, Att: 4,000) 17.10.2007 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 21 of 28 - MOROCCO 2-0 NAMIBIA (Friendly @ Stade de Tanger, Tangier, Att: 15,000) 02.11.2007 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 22 of 28 - SAUDI ARABIA 1-0 NAMIBIA (Friendly @ King Fahd International Stadium, Riyadh) 17.11.2007 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 23 of 28 - TUNISIA 2-0 NAMIBIA (Friendly @ Stade 7 Novembre, Radès, Att: 6,000) 12.01.2008 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 24 of 28 - SENEGAL 3-1 NAMIBIA (Friendly @ Stade Léopold Sédar Senghor, Dakar, Att: 2,000) 21.01.2008 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 25 of 28 - NAMIBIA 1-5 MOROCCO (African Nations Cup Finals @ Ohene Djan Stadium, Accra, Att: 2,000) 24.01.2008 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 26 of 28 - GHANA 1-0 NAMIBIA 0 (African Nations Cup Finals @ Ohene Djan Stadium, Accra, Att: 45,000) 28.01.2008 - Quinton Jacobs (Bryne FK) 27 of 28 - GUINEA 1-1 NAMIBIA 1 (African Nations Cup Finals @ Sekondi-Takoradi Stadium, Sekondi-Takoradi, Att: 1,000) 03.03.2010 - Quinton Jacobs (Jabal Al Mukaber) 28 of 28 - SOUTH AFRICA 1-1 NAMIBIA (Friendly @ Moses Mabhida Stadium, Durban, Att: 50,000) I reckon his 14th May 2000 game would fall into your description of departed but still registered Jag. Presumably, the extra game you are referring to would be the one on the 17th June 2000? I'm not privy to the players contract details so it was a difficult one for me. The Daily Record reported that his contract expired at the end of May 2000 and that is all I could go on. If you could confirm that his contract went on for longer than that, it'd be great to change the "No Club" to "Partick Thistle". Possible? Edited March 30, 2015 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuthejag Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I agree with your position re Lyle Taylor being a registered Thistle player therefore a Thistle cap. I'm not so sure about counting friendlies in players' overall Thistle stats though although I'll save that debate for another time. :-) It might be worth having a second look at Quinton Jacobs' stats while a registered Thistle player. I'm sure he won a further cap while still under contract, and therefore registered, with Thistle even though it was clear that he wouldn't be returning to Scotland. A not disimiliar situation to Nicky Walker when he was capped while still a Thistle player. Nicky Walker was a Thistle player when he was capped, not a Loanee. Has the club changed it's criteria on who is a International Thistle player ? In January 2013 when Stephen O'Donnell and Stuart Bannigan were called up to the Scotland U21 Squad, the Offical Web-Site listed the following "The full list of Partick Thistle players, and number of caps won while at Firhill, to have represented Scotland at under 21 level is as follows: Alan Archibald 5 Andy Dowie 4 Billy Thomson 4 Jamie Doyle 3 Jim Melrose 3 Maurice Johnston 2 In addition to the above, Jonny Tuffey won 13 caps at under 21 level for Northern Ireland while a Partick Thistle player and Declan Roche, who played with Thistle in the early 1990s, was capped by Republic of Ireland at under 21 level while a player at Firhill." No mention of Steven Lennon who while on loan from Rangers represented the Scotland U21 side against Northen Ireland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Nicky Walker was a Thistle player when he was capped, not a Loanee. Has the club changed it's criteria on who is a International Thistle player ? In January 2013 when Stephen O'Donnell and Stuart Bannigan were called up to the Scotland U21 Squad, the Offical Web-Site listed the following "The full list of Partick Thistle players, and number of caps won while at Firhill, to have represented Scotland at under 21 level is as follows: Alan Archibald 5 Andy Dowie 4 Billy Thomson 4 Jamie Doyle 3 Jim Melrose 3 Maurice Johnston 2 In addition to the above, Jonny Tuffey won 13 caps at under 21 level for Northern Ireland while a Partick Thistle player and Declan Roche, who played with Thistle in the early 1990s, was capped by Republic of Ireland at under 21 level while a player at Firhill." No mention of Steven Lennon who while on loan from Rangers represented the Scotland U21 side against Northen Ireland ? Just as we'd all managed to erase Stevie the championship Lennon from our memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Listen, before this week, I couldnae even spell Montserrat, never mind analyse the intricacies of player registration articles. However, if there’s one thing I am quite good at, it’s getting the stats right. And, as a keen hobbyist, I do give careful consideration to these “dilemmas” which invariably crop up when you’re compiling the facts and figures. I gave the cap credit to Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle) instinctively, given what I already knew about precedent from other “stattos” who’ve handled such instances. On that basis, I didn’t even give it a second thought, to be honest. However, ever keen to keep the stats bang-on, I’ve looked into what you’re saying and here’s what I find: Player registration FIFA, in their “Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players” clearly state that a player may only be registered with one club at a time (Article 5) and that a loan is subject to the same rules as apply to the transfer of players (Article 10). Simply put, when a player goes on loan his registration is transferred temporarily from one club to another. If Scunthorpe currently have any control over Lyle it will only be via clauses specifically stated in the terms of the temporary transfer agreement, which is agreed in advance by the two clubs and the player himself, with all parties signing to the agreement. As our Mr Maxwell will undoubtedly testify, the SFA is very clear and very strict on this matter. Section 3.3 on pages 15 and 16 repeatedly makes clear that a Loan is a temporary transfer and the phrase "temporary transfer of a player's registration” is used repeatedly. In line with these rules set out by FIFA and the SFA, it’s clear that Lyle is currently a registered Partick Thistle player and he will remain so until the agreement end date or until Scunthorpe invoke any return clause which may have been included. Montserrat squad lists All over the world, there are match reports and squad lists quoting Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle), as well as the Montserrat national football team Wiki. I even heard a radio broadcast quoting Partick Thistle! Not once have I seen a Montserrat squad list credit Scunthorpe. Precedent I refer you to the Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation for a typical example of how the stats world handles instances such as Lyle’s. The first game on that list is the Scotland friendly in Warsaw from March 2014 which includes Alan Hutton, with the bracketed club credit given to Bolton Wanderers with whom he was on loan from Aston Villa. Summary I’m comfortable with the position I’ve taken. It's both technically correct and naturally logical. I look forward to Lyle Taylor (Partick Thistle) winning his second cap tomorrow night. I’m hoping you gents will join me with the same wish? I think you missed "stick that in your pipe and smoke it" Excellent research. Edited March 31, 2015 by Lenziejag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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