chunky jag Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 If it was Dick Campbell or Gerry Collins no one would be on here saying relegation is OK. To play devil's advocate, neither of them have a track record of 3 of the best seasons as a Jags manager behind them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Let's call a spade a spade here. It's nothing to do with bucking a trend but everything to do with wanting to give AA as much time as possible to see if he can turn it around. If it was Dick Campbell or Gerry Collins no one would be on here saying relegation is OK. Yeah, great idea, let's compare a guy that got us up with an undefeated run, has kept us in the league two years running without the need for play offs and has had one of the lowest budgets, if not the lowest, in the league, with Dickie and Gerry. Dear Lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 No you won't. You wanted him sacked last season. It's fans of that type like that are killing football. No wonder people stay away from the game. It's a sport for the spineless. You want a guy sacked. You pile on the pressure and if it turns around, you shuffle off to the side and kid on it was someone else who was pointing fingers. "Well done Archie". You either believe he's the right guy or you don't. At least have some conviction. I think it's fairly obvious what my opinion is. Based on the start to this season, he's not the man for the job. You have a different opinion. That's what makes life interesting. Neither of us have a God given right to be correct. So acknowledge that we all have a right to an opinion and a right to express it. Last time I checked this wasn't an Archibald fan club site but a forum for ALL Thistle fans to say what they think. Maybe you want us all to be arrogant and confrontational like you. Kind of sad really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I think it's fairly obvious what my opinion is. Based on the start to this season, he's not the man for the job. You have a different opinion. That's what makes life interesting. Neither of us have a God given right to be correct. So acknowledge that we all have a right to an opinion and a right to express it. Last time I checked this wasn't an Archibald fan club site but a forum for ALL Thistle fans to say what they think. Maybe you want us all to be arrogant and confrontational like you. Kind of sad really. Thanks for that. Clearly you are entitled to an opinion. The fact the you suggest Mark McGhee as a replacement and the fact you would judge the manager on 9 games tells us everything we need to know about it's validity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 As valid as anyone else's on here, and not your place to dismiss it just because you disagree. But I won't lose any sleep over you disagreeing with it. Enjoy the game on Saturday. I take it you do go to the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Yeah, great idea, let's compare a guy that got us up with an undefeated run, has kept us in the league two years running without the need for play offs and has had one of the lowest budgets, if not the lowest, in the league, with Dickie and Gerry. Dear Lord! If in doubt mention budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 If in doubt mention budgets. If in doubt about what? You comparing Archie to Dickie and Gerry. You should be on at The Stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 If in doubt mention budgets. It's the budget that counts. That's why Hamilton finished bottom last season & were relegated. That's tight isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Enjoy the game, LOL! Archie's stats are in the sh*t - but they are far from fatal based on the underlying narrative. As Stephen Craigan said yesterday: "they probably edged it, more of the ball, better use of the ball... we won it, but i'm not sure if we deserved it" What's needed more than anything right now is for heads to stay up and for the group to stay strong. Archie's Jags can get out of this hole - there's every chance that they will. Only a gutless relegation would make me change my stance - and, to be fair, there have been moments like that so far this term. If the nightmare happens, then, as long as we go down fighting, I'd back the Arch to take us back up and make some history by being the first boss to yo-yo. He'll be learning every day (most especially about the ways of player psyche and character - I bet there's one or two he wouldn't sign again tomorrow) and we should stick with him and reap the longer-term benefits of his building experience. There's nothing sentimental in well-placed loyalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) As valid as anyone else's on here, and not your place to dismiss it just because you disagree. But I won't lose any sleep over you disagreeing with it. Enjoy the game on Saturday. I take it you do go to the games? Oh yes. I go to games. I didn't make Saturday( personal circumstances) but i'm sure you'll agree inverness midweek makes up for that. I'm absolutely dismissing your opinion that Mark McGhee is the guy to take Partick Thistle forward. Glad we've got that sorted. Edited September 27, 2015 by La Scimmia Rossa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Just as I'm dismissing your opinion. See you Sauturday at the match. Just out of interest, you said that Archibald should leave if we get relegated. Who would be your choice(s) as the new manager? Edited September 27, 2015 by Big Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Oh yes. I go to games. I didn't make Saturday( personal circumstances) but i'm sure you'll agree inverness midweek makes up for that. I'm absolutely dismissing your opinion that Mark McGhee is the guy to take Partick Thistle forward. Glad we've got that sorted. I would rather have Debbie McGhee in charge!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie247 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 not enough likes for that Lindau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 If in doubt about what? You comparing Archie to Dickie and Gerry. You should be on at The Stand. Correct. His record over the past few months is far worse than anything Dickie ever produced. He's now closing in Gerry. But budgets, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 not enough likes for that Lindau Never know Dougie, if we get wee Debbie in charge her husband might magic us a win. That will keep everyone happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Correct. His record over the past few months is far worse than anything Dickie ever produced. Hahaha.......you try hard, I will give u that! Just the kind of statement I got suckered into replying to last year....not this year!! Edited September 27, 2015 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Very common for managers to get sacked when the home crowds start to dip. It's often said on these occasions that it's "fan power what dun it". We're in the rather unique position that our fans drift away when the team and manager are doing exceptionally well. Even so I'm wondering how our fickle following would react to sacking (and paying off) Archie and bringing in Mark McGhee. Hardly methinks the catalyst for a mass return of those missing fans. Imo more likely to be a case of straw and camel. eta I don't know why I can see the Cup's last post. Must be some sort of flaw in the system when you're posting at the same time. Anyway somebody point out to him/her that Dick Campbell managed us in in lower leagues and so can't be compared to our present manager in any way whatsoever. Edited September 27, 2015 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie247 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Never know Dougie, if we get wee Debbie in charge her husband might magic us a win. That will keep everyone happy! Maybe we can have a whip round for one of these for Archie? Might still have mine in the loft somewhere Edited September 27, 2015 by dougie247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Instead of sticking with what we have and going down or sacking and finding a new manager, what about employing someone like an older head to advise archie. When i say advise i don't mean as in pick his team etc but to guide him. The issue with archie is his tactical knowledge and the fact he doesn't know how to change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Mmmmmmm! You want an older head to come in and advise a manager who has been in charge for nearly three years? Good luck with that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Mmmmmmm! You want an older head to come in and advise a manager who has been in charge for nearly three years? Good luck with that one! Not saying i want it, was just a suggestion. He probably should be learning from his mistakes but he doesn't seem to be so maybe someone to look at it with a different pair of eyes could be valuable. Then again maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 The issue with archie is his tactical knowledge and the fact he doesn't know how to change things. In your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 In your opinion. That's not an opinion. That is fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 In your opinion. yes and i am allowed one, but feel free to keep your archie tinted specs on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 That's not an opinion. That is fact. Exactly, i fear that some people will be delighted if we get relegated as long as we keep archie in charge. One man no matter who is not bigger than the club as a whole. I hope he really can turn things around but i think this season may be his last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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