MWM Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) http://news.stv.tv/scotland/tayside/274075-partick-thistle-fan-faces-football-ban-after-being-found-drunk-during-st-johnstone-game/ Unbelieveable. God help him if he had bothered to stand up or sing a song. A total liberty, might as well class the poor boy as a murderer or a rapist going on that. While we're at it, lets jail every jakie wondering the city centre or every drunk person lurking Sauchiehall Street at 3am this Saturday. I'm sure they'll have also been consistent and jailed the scores of drunk and bigoted Old Firm fans who have been up there since... Edited October 11, 2011 by MWM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I trust hospitality at games is policed with as much vigour. No. Thought not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger's Bucky Bottle Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Pathetic!!! Tayside plod at their best! I actually fell asleep at McDiarmid a few years ago.... Then left early and placed a traffic cone on top of Mr Coyles car, total jailbait... I consider myself very fortunate not to have been pinched that day... Good luck to the lad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 http://news.stv.tv/scotland/tayside/274075-partick-thistle-fan-faces-football-ban-after-being-found-drunk-during-st-johnstone-game/ Unbelieveable. God help him if he had bothered to stand up or sing a song. A total liberty, might as well class the poor boy as a murderer or a rapist going on that. While we're at it, lets jail every jakie wondering the city centre or every drunk person lurking Sauchiehall Street at 3am this Saturday. I'm sure they'll have also been consistent and jailed the scores of drunk and bigoted Old Firm fans who have been up there since... More to the point Perth itself has a disproportionate amount of jakies and serious drunken disorder. Surely enough to keep their sheriff occupied before wasting time and money on something so trivial as this. As an aside if the lad had only gone to the 208 Bar that night he'd have escaped all this. As I recall the local farmers wives weightwatchers had first call on the big lounge and we were all sardined round a pool table in yon wee side bar. Service that night was so near impossible it made the Aitken Suite appear super efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'd bet that the pigs who arrested the guy for having a few drinks also wander around drunk at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 What an absolute joke. Hope the "sheriff" sees sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 By any reasonable standards this is one of the dumbest things to ever happen. Really feel sorry for the guy concerned for being dragged into a situation where he's being criminalised and subjected to all this publicity for what looks like a mostly gutless system picking on a soft target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) What a joke. Do the police in Perth go into every bar looking for people who are 'under the influence' and arrest them? edited for typo Edited October 11, 2011 by twinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If this report is all there is to it, it would be a very good thing if the club, privately or even better publicly, put in a good word for this guy as regards the possibility of a banning order. That's a sanction for extreme cases and is brought into ridicule when it's mentioned in a case like this. Ask fans to drink responsibly and behave reasonably and hammer them if they disgrace the club, but also stand up for them when they might be getting a raw deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If this report is all there is to it, it would be a very good thing if the club, privately or even better publicly, put in a good word for this guy as regards the possibility of a banning order. That's a sanction for extreme cases and is brought into ridicule when it's mentioned in a case like this. Ask fans to drink responsibly and behave reasonably and hammer them if they disgrace the club, but also stand up for them when they might be getting a raw deal. Well said. Wonder if the trust can stand up for the guy too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Going by his solicitors comments, I suspect there may well be more to this than is contained in the article. Certainly sounds like he has a more deep rooted problem and is more than just someone who was drunk at a game. Edited October 11, 2011 by Allan Heron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Going by his solicitors comments, I suspect there may well be more to this than is contained in the article. Certainly sounds like he has a more deep rooted problem and is more than just someone who was drunk at a game. Agree, but is this really worthy of a banning order? As far as I can see, the sheriff was trying to steer the guy in the right direction; so maybe what's required pre-sentencing is for him to demonstrate that steps are being taken to address alcohol-related lifestyle issues. I'm taking it that his comments were aimed at being helpful and aimed at rehabilitation as opposed to punishment. There seems to have been no suggestion of aggressive behaviour etc. Also, I take it this was quiet news day and the Thistle connection made it in some way news worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 The 22-year-old had been deemed fit enough to be allowed entry to the ground and had not been involved in any incidents as he watched the first half of the game, which Saints eventually ... But he was arrested at half-time because he was unsteady on his feet The most ridiculous thing i've read since yesterday ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 The 22-year-old had been deemed fit enough to be allowed entry to the ground and had not been involved in any incidents as he watched the first half of the game, which Saints eventually ... But he was arrested at half-time because he was unsteady on his feet The most ridiculous thing i've read since yesterday ... Good point. I've seen hundreds of old guys at Firhill who look unsteady on their feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Going by his solicitors comments, I suspect there may well be more to this than is contained in the article. Certainly sounds like he has a more deep rooted problem and is more than just someone who was drunk at a game. He might be Jack the Ripper on his nights off, but on the day in question his crime seems to have been to be moderately intoxicated at a football match. He does sound like a fairly heavy drinker ("22-year-old in unhealthy lifestyle shocker!"), but he's not charged with being a poor role model, nor is he to blame for drink being the curse of Scotland. If he needs some help, I'm sure he'll now have a chance to get it, but any form of punishment on top of the publicity he's already having to endure would be a nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Shouldn't prejudge but I wouldn't be surprised if the all too common heavy handed McDiarmid stewarding/policing played a part. I think it's fair to assume someone "unsteady on his feet" couldn't just be chucked out the ground. Conditions around the ground that night were diabolical and it is close to busy roads (hard enough avoiding being knocked down when you're stone cold sober). So I'm guessing then that Tayside Polis/McDiarmid stewards interpretation of "duty of care" is a far cry from what's normal elsewhere and more in line with their generally confrontational attitude we've witnessed often enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick_top Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Nonsense. Just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collins Out! Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Between this and the guy being questioned for taking pictures of his daughter in Braehead, you have to wonder at the direction our society is heading. Orwell was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 As a matter of course I don't like commenting on criminal cases when I'm not fully acquainted with the actual facts. However, it does beg the question, will Tayside police and their little helpers, be as zealous in their application of the law when those famously, law abiding Old Firm fans are on one of their friendly visits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 As a matter of course I don't like commenting on criminal cases when I'm not fully acquainted with the actual facts. However, it does beg the question, will Tayside police and their little helpers, be as zealous in their application of the law when those famously, law abiding Old Firm fans are on one of their friendly visits? A well stated, rhetorical question, to which I think we all know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Too much common sense and excellent well made points on this thread. If the Tayside Gestapo had a miniscule fraction of common sense (or decency), we wouldn't be discussing this. Shame on them. Yet another example of why the likes of McDiarmid, Dens and other such grounds should be avoided/boycotted. I recall the night in question - a Jags support that descended on Perth to have a good natured party and back the team - while the stewards and police were clearly set on being killjoys in every which way they could conceivably think of. It's 'officials' like this that are killing our game by preventing decent football supporters going or enjoying themselves. Again, shame on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) He might be Jack the Ripper on his nights off, but on the day in question his crime seems to have been to be moderately intoxicated at a football match. He does sound like a fairly heavy drinker ("22-year-old in unhealthy lifestyle shocker!"), but he's not charged with being a poor role model, nor is he to blame for drink being the curse of Scotland. If he needs some help, I'm sure he'll now have a chance to get it, but any form of punishment on top of the publicity he's already having to endure would be a nonsense. If this was a one off incident then I'd agree whole-heartedly. But we don't know if it was - there's no indication in the article whether or not this was a first time incident. Maybe there's a history of cases of him being booked/arrested whilst drunk at football games. We just don't know at this stage and are not likely to find out until after sentencing (and the likelihood is that the sentencing will receive little or no publicity anyway). My only thought was the the solicitors' comments on his behalf make this seem less like a one off event and more part of a ongoing process of which this is but the latest chapter. I also think any judge would be unwilling to discount any of the sentencing options at this stage. No doubt the prosecution asked for this to be taken into consideration which prompted the response from the judge. But I suspect he'd have given the same answer if he'd been ssked if he would consider a fine. Edited October 12, 2011 by Allan Heron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fistle1876 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We should make a banner for the Raith game saying "It is not a crime to support your team" FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well said. Wonder if the trust can stand up for the guy too I don't know that it's a good idea for the Club to weigh in on matters of law, so I doubt anything would come of that. I certainly don't envy the job that police have to do. If this guy was drunk, and police did nothing about it, then in the 2nd half he does something stupid like throw a roll of coins at a child, the conversation would be about why they didn't act SOONER. That said, if the policy is as they say, then it needs to be applied evenly and that includes the OF. If you're going to arrest every drunk at an OF game, you might have enough for 5-a-side with a few concessions staff to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluddy Hell Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I can tell you that the lad in question, while sometimes being drunk at games, has never been arrested or thrown out at any Thistle game in the past. Trust me on that one. His lifestyle may be in question but never has he been thrown out and regularly drives to games if its the only way he can get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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