Collins Out! Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I want to know how we voted before I buy a season ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 dumbarton have,they said no.Queen of south said yes to div1 Albion Rovers said that the club voted no to Sevco in SFL1. Most of the clubs had made public statements, either on their websites or to the media, before the vote this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Still leaning towards it having been a no vote followed by just another stupid, ill-thought out statement. His private responses have been so clear about voting no that to have done anything else would finish him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Still leaning towards it having been a no vote followed by just another stupid, ill-thought out statement. His private responses have been so clear about voting no that to have done anything else would finish him. I hope so but our club has been silent this week whilst others made their voting intentions very clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I hope so but our club has been silent this week whilst others made their voting intentions very clear. I can't explain their conduct, but I'm trying to be as fair as possible until they sort themselves out. They may have some weird explanation for how they've chosen to handle it. But, as I say, if it was a yes that would be unforgivable bearing in mind assurances given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I can toatally understand the pessimsm and paranoia from a lot of Thistle fans right now, and I don't want to have a go at any of them. I'm not going to critisise anyone for not renewing STs until all the questions are answered, that's entirely up to the individual, but personally I've had more than enough negativity over the past few weeks. It's depressed me, frankly, and i now want to move forward and concentrate on the 12/13 1st division season. For me, it's over, and regardless of how the Thistle board voted, the right outcome was reached. That aside, an regardless of which way they've voted, the BoD are not trusted by a large percentage of the fans and real changes need to be made at Thistle. They've caused unrest within the support for no gain. How they've voted is now of no consequence, but the way they treated the support definately is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Ann Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I can toatally understand the pessimsm and paranoia from a lot of Thistle fans right now, and I don't want to have a go at any of them. I'm not going to critisise anyone for not renewing STs until all the questions are answered, that's entirely up to the individual, but personally I've had more than enough negativity over the past few weeks. It's depressed me, frankly, and i now want to move forward and concentrate on the 12/13 1st division season. For me, it's over, and regardless of how the Thistle board voted, the right outcome was reached. That aside, an regardless of which way they've voted, the BoD are not trusted by a large percentage of the fans and real changes need to be made at Thistle. They've caused unrest within the support for no gain. How they've voted is now of no consequence, but the way they treated the support definately is. i think this is a really important point. if i was on the board i might be asking myself why large sections of the support don't seem to believe a word we say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I have this horrible gut feeling that we voted yes, prove me wrong BOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 For what its worth this is the email I got from David Beattie last week and I thiought seemed to maybe indicate a no vote: Sent: 05 July 2012 14:37 To: Curry Matthew Subject: Re: No to Newco Hi Matthew There are some major decisions ahead for the whole of Scottish Football. I fear very much for our Scottish game. The Rangers demise has set a chain of events that may have cataclysmic financial consequences for many football clubs, thankfully not PTFC, as we have been very frugal over the last few years. As you know we will vote NO and i believe that will be the correct thing to do and we, as a member of the SFL should not have been put into a situation where it was our responsibility to decide on the financial effect of having or not having Rangers in a top league - that should be the SFA's responsibility. I fervently believe the reconstruction of Scottish Football is well overdue and we should be passionately discussing and voting on the detail of that issue and putting a timeline to achieve change. I really do hope the Jags fans can concentrate on the great things that are happening at the club and get behind Jackie and the team. Remember that every penny the fans put into the club, be it Season Tickets, programmes, 50/50 draw, Centenary Fund etc. has a direct impact on Jackie's playing budget. I thank you for your kind words and support. I would like to think, based on the above message from our Chairman to a fan, that we voted "No." I'm satisfied that the SFL teams on the whole have acted properly in this whole saga. If it turns out that we are one of the pariahs who voted "Yes", then all it means is that our Chairman is an ********* of the highest order. If he could, he would rig things. But he can't, and thankfully he'll eventually be gone. Again, the SFL have done the right thing, and I hope that we were with the majority. If not, it's tough, but I can live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Any bloke that starts an email 'Hi' sounds like an iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 i think this is a really important point. if i was on the board i might be asking myself why large sections of the support don't seem to believe a word we say. There's not been much in the way of confidence/morale boosting from the club for quite a while now, only bland statements full of business jargon and the appointment of people who are friends of those and such as those. A few weeks ago we had Ajay's arrival. There seems to be about as much enthusiasm for that as a Dick Campbell signing at the closing of the transfer window. Expect more of the same - it's like being run by the Cameron, Clegg and Gideon of Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I have this horrible gut feeling that we voted yes, prove me wrong BOD I think the club went with the flow, Norge. Mind you, I heard in work last night that there was a bid to put the vote off yesterday. That seems more like the Thistle thing to do; let someone else take 'ownership' of the nasty decisions. Which is what I reckon will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think Mckennan is being a bit unfair on Thistle and the SFL. This decision shouldn't have been foisted on them. Given that this affects the whole of Scottish football, I think that it would have better if all the organisations had met together at the same time weeks ago and if necessary split up to discuss separately. Anyway the SPL meet again on Monday and if the Inverness comments are anything to go by, it wouldn't surprise me if they overturn their original decision to not allow Sevco to play in SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Note that none of the 'established' Div 1 clubs appear to have confirmed their stance officially - an agreement? I doubt we'll ever find out one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Note that none of the 'established' Div 1 clubs appear to have confirmed their stance officially - an agreement? I doubt we'll ever find out one way or the other. Did Falkirk and Dundee not come out and state where they voted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Did Falkirk and Dundee not come out and state where they voted? Falkirk were similar to PTFC in that they produced a caveated 'No' beforehand. Dundee were shipped in at the last minute. Can't see any official statement post meeting for both ( and others ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleveland steamer Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I go to Firhill to watch football (and get depressed more often than not). I DON'T care now which way we voted - the decision has been made. I'll be back at Firhill for the season starting. The only other option is spending the time with the wife and kids... And anyway, I bet we abstained, and it was counted as a 'NO' - we shouldn't have been voting on allowing them into the 1st, as it's a conflict of interest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleveland steamer Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 And also, just because people SAY they voted one way, doesn't mean they did. I bet we find out that we have 27 people that voted 'NO'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Note that none of the 'established' Div 1 clubs appear to have confirmed their stance officially - an agreement? I doubt we'll ever find out one way or the other. You do wonder if there has been an unwritten agreement. Given how poisonous this has been, and not of the SFL's making, it might have been more unifying with the result as it was to keep the voting secret. Maybe that's the reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 You do wonder if there has been an unwritten agreement. Given how poisonous this has been, and not of the SFL's making, it might have been more unifying with the result as it was to keep the voting secret. Maybe that's the reason? Serious question, how then do we know how Hamilton voted 'yes'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Who confirmed that? Certainly not HAFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) Who confirmed that? Certainly not HAFC. Yeah, that's why I asked! Noticeably they haven't issued anything to deny it tho! & the way some feel that could have repercussions on crowds at NDP next season. Also feel that's why certain clubs have come out & said we voted 'no'. They don't want home or visiting fans boycotting. Which in turn comes back to our statement, asking for our fans support including financially. For that to happen I feel they're going to have to tell the fans. Edited July 14, 2012 by Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewarty Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 This is a tough one to analyse but, on balance, I think they must have voted no. Here's my thinking: 1. They are aware of our feelings on this issue and of the possibility that a significant number of fans would stay away should they have voted yes. 2. They publicly pledged to vote no, even if this was framed as an 'intention'. 3. There would have been a discussion prior to the vote, during which it would have become quite clear that the yes vote was never going to win irrespective of how PTFC voted. 4. They would be aware that the truth has a habit of leaking out. For me point 3 means that there would have been absolutely no strategic benefit to be had from voting yes. To do so would be to chain yourself to a corpse. Not only that, it's a zombie corpse that's going to come back to life and eat your intestines for lunch. This isn't to say that they didn't want to vote yes, deep down; more that the circumstances dictated that they had to vote no. This latter point may explain the poorly worded statement - it has a huffy tone to it - although to be honest I'm struggling to explain that on any rational level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 One thing that's become apparent during this is that Ms Evans has to quickly come to the realisation that she's responsible for the club's PR and not just media relations. It's a difference that tends to elude a fair few former journalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 'Wing it' is the club's motto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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