Trotter Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I work at the same company as Mike Tumilty and his weight is the reason he's no longer an SPL ref. If this is true, & don't doubt it is, then it beggars belief why they think the guy can ref in the lower leagues. Aside from being told continually that there's not a lot of difference between the top of the 1st & bottom of SPL, the lower down the leagues the quicker the game is, usually due to fact ball is blootered from one end to other! SFA = inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's a red card for Violent Conduct. Violent Conduct suspensions are always 3 match bans. There could be a couple more matches added on, as he recently served an 8 match ban with Ross County. Violent conduct is not always a 3 match ban, in fact it's usually a 2 match ban now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Violent conduct is not always a 3 match ban, in fact it's usually a 2 match ban now. It's always been a three match ban in the past. Have they changed it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's always been a three match ban in the past. Have they changed it? For at least a season now. 2 matches first offence. 3 matches if 2nd offence in same competition in the same season SFA have the power to increase the ban if they see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck snort Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 If this is true, & don't doubt it is, then it beggars belief why they think the guy can ref in the lower leagues. Aside from being told continually that there's not a lot of difference between the top of the 1st & bottom of SPL, the lower down the leagues the quicker the game is, usually due to fact ball is blootered from one end to other! SFA = inept. All the refs have regular fitness tests. He passed the latest one a couple of weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 All the refs have regular fitness tests. He passed the latest one a couple of weeks ago. But deemed not fit enough for SPL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 But deemed not fit enough for SPL? Maybe he chooses not to referee SPL games anymore? Maybe he can't be arsed with the shit that surrounds controversial decisions there? Maybe he referees as a hobby and finds it more enjoyable in the lower leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Christie Elliot can be fast when he comes on but really needs to improve on his goal scoring form. Given that Liam Buchanan can be signed just now on an amateur contract until January I think he perhaps would be a better player to come off the bench and additionally perhaps offer some competition to Craig and Elliot or in case any of them get injured. Although capable of missing chances Buchanan is capable of scoring as well and given that he knows half the players and the Manager would do no harm to see what he can do till January Tres intéressant ! I can't see any negatives from having him on our books for a couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Buchanan by the time he left wasn't good enough. His recent record in the Irish league suggests not much has changed. I'd rather have McGuigan back for the bench than either Buchanan or Elliot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Buchanan by the time he left wasn't good enough. His recent record in the Irish league suggests not much has changed. I'd rather have McGuigan back for the bench than either Buchanan or Elliot. We dont havve McGuigan back at the earliest until December 5th, theres a month of football before then. Plus Craig could be suspended for a vital 3 games during this period. Furthermore when he left us he went to the Pars and scored a few vital goals for them on their way to the SPL, he is capable of scoring in this divison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 We dont havve McGuigan back at the earliest until December 5th, theres a month of football before then. Plus Craig could be suspended for a vital 3 games during this period. Furthermore when he left us he went to the Pars and scored a few vital goals for them on their way to the SPL, he is capable of scoring in this divison. I didn't say we did have McGuigan back, simply that I'd prefer him coming off the bench than either of the other 2. Where's the confirmation that Craig is suspended for 3 games? It's usually 2 for violent conduct so it's hardly the end of the world. To say Buchanan scored a few vital goals for Dunfermline that season is a bit much. He scored 1 goal which turned out to be a match winner and adding a 3rd v Cowdenbeath or Stirling or a consolation when losing to Morton is hardly a major success. That's without mentioning his absolute failure to score regularly in the Irish league, being outscored by none other than the prolific Tommy Stewart in the season which just finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I didn't say we did have McGuigan back, simply that I'd prefer him coming off the bench than either of the other 2. Where's the confirmation that Craig is suspended for 3 games? It's usually 2 for violent conduct so it's hardly the end of the world. To say Buchanan scored a few vital goals for Dunfermline that season is a bit much. He scored 1 goal which turned out to be a match winner and adding a 3rd v Cowdenbeath or Stirling or a consolation when losing to Morton is hardly a major success. That's without mentioning his absolute failure to score regularly in the Irish league, being outscored by none other than the prolific Tommy Stewart in the season which just finished. Pie, Are you actually against signing Buchanan on amateur status? I doubt very much whether he'd walk into the team at the moment, but what's to lose? (Like you, I'm hoping that McGuigan will come good.) But in fact this is all speculation; there's nothing to suggest that JM has any interest in Liam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Pie, Are you actually against signing Buchanan on amateur status? I doubt very much whether he'd walk into the team at the moment, but what's to lose? (Like you, I'm hoping that McGuigan will come good.) But in fact this is all speculation; there's nothing to suggest that JM has any interest in Liam. Yes I am, I don't really think it does the likes of McGuigan and Elliot any good if McNamara is signing yet another striker in front of them when I don't think that striker would add much in the first place. I think any money could be used better elsewhere, for all he'd be on amateur terms I imagine Buchanan's expenses won't be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Yes I am, I don't really think it does the likes of McGuigan and Elliot any good if McNamara is signing yet another striker in front of them when I don't think that striker would add much in the first place. I think any money could be used better elsewhere, for all he'd be on amateur terms I imagine Buchanan's expenses won't be cheap. Point taken. Some similarities to when a loan player comes in at the expense of one of our own players who's trying to get established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand2 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I wouldn't necessarily be against Buchanan returning but I don't see much reason behind it unless we are going to adopt 4-4-2 on a more frequent basis which I don't think would be a good idea. Doolan is first choice when fit followed by Craig; the fact that the latter isn't going to be available is a blow but it's not disastrous to the extent that we need to bring in another player, in my opinion. Would tend to agree with POTM that any money could be used better elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I would not want Buchanan back. Our current forward players are pretty clinical, Buchanan can be quite wasteful. Most of our forward players can play in midfield or attack (except maybe Craig), Buchanan can not. He'd perhaps be worth considering in January if we can't get Craig back in or any similar player in as replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I would not want Buchanan back. Our current forward players are pretty clinical, Buchanan can be quite wasteful. Most of our forward players can play in midfield or attack (except maybe Craig), Buchanan can not. He'd perhaps be worth considering in January if we can't get Craig back in or any similar player in as replacement. Some good points but the jury is still out for me to an extent on Elliot and possibly McGuigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I would not want Buchanan back. Our current forward players are pretty clinical, Buchanan can be quite wasteful. Most of our forward players can play in midfield or attack (except maybe Craig), Buchanan can not. He'd perhaps be worth considering in January if we can't get Craig back in or any similar player in as replacement. McGuigan will be back and should be challenging for a first-team place in January. He's got a 2 year deal and the manager says that he's part of his plans. Craigen is in a similar position. Craig's loan deal was largely funded by a generous fan's donation. It's not certain that the club could afford to extend it without another donation. Another issue is whether the club will wish to give Forbes another deal. He's probably on a relatively small wage and could seek better terms after the New Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'd take Buchannan back. If we are serious about the title, I'd rather see him coming off the bench than Elliot on current form. Given we could be without Craig for a few weeks, it could work out for both parties. Also, he knows Doolan's game and can play on the right side of a front 3 Think he's available permanantly as according to his twitter, he's not been offered another contract at Sligo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rosebury Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I wouldn't necessarily be against Buchanan returning but I don't see much reason behind it unless we are going to adopt 4-4-2 on a more frequent basis which I don't think would be a good idea. Doolan is first choice when fit followed by Craig; the fact that the latter isn't going to be available is a blow but it's not disastrous to the extent that we need to bring in another player, in my opinion. Would tend to agree with POTM that any money could be used better elsewhere. I like the 433- it suits our players and helps our fluent style; however, we are now up against teams who know how to play against us. When a team stands off and sits in its own half it means that Erskine and Lawless- in a 433- can't find space and are not as effective. In a 442 Erskine and Lawless would be a little deeper and wider- this would help to draw out the opposition and stretch the packed defence, hopefully leaving gaps to exploit. I wouldn't be suprised if we started using it in certain games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Earl of Hathaway Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Would Buchanan want to come back? He's what, 26, now which would make him the oldest striker we'd have (except Craig). Also he turned down a contract with the Pars to sign for Sligo, so whether First Division football is part of his carefully-planned career path is anyone's guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Would Buchanan want to come back? He's what, 26, now which would make him the oldest striker we'd have (except Craig). Also he turned down a contract with the Pars to sign for Sligo, so whether First Division football is part of his carefully-planned career path is anyone's guess.... Indeed. He might not sniff at an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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