skipper Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Is there any compo involved. If not was this what made Jackie attractive to Scumdee Utd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 From the news reports, the reason that there was a delay in the news conference was that the details of how compensation would be paid were still being discussed. However, reading the Thistle statement it mentions the resignation of the manager "triggered a release clause" in the contract. Does that mean no compensation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Is there any compo involved. If not was this what made Jackie attractive to Scumdee Utd? There was compensation involved. Dundee United are downsizing their budgets. Even allowing for compensation, the wages JM and SD will be on are far smaller than previous Dundee United managers. I think what made JM very attractive was 1. His style of play in his teams, 2. His ability to get good players playing well on low wages and 3. His ability to bring through youth players, of which Dun Utd apparently have a fair few breaking through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 The cheap option would be to keep Houston till end of the season then get in a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 However, reading the Thistle statement it mentions the resignation of the manager "triggered a release clause" in the contract. Does that mean no compensation ? No, it means Dundee United agreed to pay the amount that would trigger the clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blutarsky Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 If the 'cheap option' is having a wage bill that allows a club to live within in it's means then the answer to the question is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted January 31, 2013 Members Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There was compensation involved. There you go again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 OPINION: There was compensation involved. Fixed that for you G SUS. Good lad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Fixed that for you G SUS. Good lad So is there an answer; or has this been covered in another thread? So many threads and many saying the same thing i.e. that someone may have made a big mistake leaving a good thing too early. Or am I missing the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Was Jackie The Cheap Option For Thompson? Yes. United believe Jackie can, work on a cheaper budget and for less of a salary than was offered to their manager at the start of the season and, maintain a team capable of achieving a top 6 finish in the SPL. If what they have had to pay Thistle in compensation, plus what they have to pay Houston to meet their contractual obligations to him, ammount to more than any other scenario they might have acheived they clearly beleive it is worth it, financially, in the long term. United are, like most teams in Scotland, relatively skint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 There you go again! If you wish to believe that no compo was exchanged, thats your call. I know there was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted February 1, 2013 Members Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 If you wish to believe that no compo was exchanged, thats your call. I know there was. I don't know there was and I don't know there wasn't. And neither do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't know there was and I don't know there wasn't. And neither do you. If you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) From the news reports, the reason that there was a delay in the news conference was that the details of how compensation would be paid were still being discussed. However, reading the Thistle statement it mentions the resignation of the manager "triggered a release clause" in the contract. Does that mean no compensation ? I doubt even Allan Cowan would have agreed to a 'release clause' in a contract which allowed a manager to move to another club without compensation for Thistle (although can't be absolutely certain about that). Edited February 1, 2013 by Charlie Endell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel G Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 It may be stating the bleedin' obvious but normal good business practice doesn't apply to football. There's only a couple of people who know the details of the full package and United may have convinced themselves that spending more now for some kind of unquantifiable result in 3 years time is the way to go. If it all goes pear shape they may well convince themselves it's a good idea to spend money to get rid for the long term good and so it goes on, overspending and over inflated egos are all part of the game. They've been paying mediocre players (usually with an exotic foreign sounding name) a fortune for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) It may be stating the bleedin' obvious but normal good business practice doesn't apply to football. There's only a couple of people who know the details of the full package and United may have convinced themselves that spending more now for some kind of unquantifiable result in 3 years time is the way to go. If it all goes pear shape they may well convince themselves it's a good idea to spend money to get rid for the long term good and so it goes on, overspending and over inflated egos are all part of the game. They've been paying mediocre players (usually with an exotic foreign sounding name) a fortune for years. Think you're getting close to the nub of it. Houston wanted more money for the team and the club saw they couldn't afford it - and his demand made them suspect he wasn't up to improving the team without more money (last bit my assumption). So they wanted rid of him and to bring in someone who could do at least as well or better (not too hard when you look at their present position) and was also known to be good at improving young players. To do the first we have the discussion/argument made public about him being asked to take a wage cut as well as a cut in player budget. The first tells him he's not wanted, the second gives him an excuse to go. Then they bring in Jackie. Compensation for both sides combined could be c. £200K (paper talk) but they get a cheaper management team for three years and in the summer will probably sell a couple of players so that's more than easily covered. They've had a good youth policy for a while now so he'll have a fair bit to work with - I reckon he'll do OK ...I certainly hope so on Saturday. Think you're wrong in your last comment. Firstly because I think Jackie will do fine with United and secondly even if he doesn't the restructuring means it will be cheaper to fix things next time. In fact though I can see things might not go as well as he hopes I can't really see him, with the squad he's got there (and even losing a couple of his best players) doing so badly they'd want to get rid right away. Houston should have done much better with that squad. They brought in a guy with a reputation of bringing on young players, so unless some absolute disaster happens they'll give him time. My only worry is that in the summer he'll come after Erskine, Paton, Forbes and the like - but then so will other clubs. Edited February 1, 2013 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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