Members Willjag Posted April 15, 2013 Members Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Surely nobody reported Sigesige00? And there's the difference Jaggernaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Putting my Devil's Advocate hat on for a minute, what you have highlightled there could have been the point Cumbernauld Jags was trying to make. It is highly debatable whether it is a valid comparison though. It was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Sigesige00 got banned for a hell of a lot less... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 I'm no fan of Maggie Thatcher and I'm certainly not pro-IRA (having served 6 years as a regular soldier in H.M. Forces, including a tour of NI) but it seems to be the exact same level of inapropriateness as the "dancing on Thatcher's grave" stuff, and referring to her as "it"... The same thought struck me - I'd rather see neither of these callous, dehumanising thoughts on our forum, but people still hold and express them. Some can't get past the fact that their ideology is so 'correct' that it obviously justifies such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 The same thought struck me - I'd rather see neither of these callous, dehumanising thoughts on our forum, but people still hold and express them. Some can't get past the fact that their ideology is so 'correct' that it obviously justifies such things. I'm not really one for gloating over someone's demise but I have always maintained that I would make an exception for Thstcher due to the vile actions and policies under her government. She was more than happy to dehumanise Miners, Trade Unionists and working people during her lifetime so I am more than happy to dehumanise her. I'll drink a wee toast to her on Wednesday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyconnor Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) i think the media painting her as some sort of mother teresa figure has been the most sickening thing of all. Edited April 15, 2013 by andyconnor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 i think the media painting her as some sort of mother teresa figure has been the most sickening thing of all. Nail hit on head. How people are expected to be quiet while the mainstream media go about a complete rewrite of history is totally beyond me and if they thought it would just be a few extremists toasting her demise, they are in for a big shock. Now Big Ben is being silenced. They didn't even do that for the war dead at the end of WWII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 News on BBC this morning: Anybody who turns around to face away from the hearse as it passes will not be arrested. The very fact that there might be the slightest suggestion that by turning around you might be arrested indicates the kind of society that we are living in. The sooner the referendum comes and we can finally get rid of all this crap the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 I'm not really one for gloating over someone's demise but I have always maintained that I would make an exception for Thstcher due to the vile actions and policies under her government. She was more than happy to dehumanise Miners, Trade Unionists and working people during her lifetime so I am more than happy to dehumanise her. I'll drink a wee toast to her on Wednesday. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SookeJag Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 News on BBC this morning: Anybody who turns around to face away from the hearse as it passes will not be arrested. The very fact that there might be the slightest suggestion that by turning around you might be arrested indicates the kind of society that we are living in. The sooner the referendum comes and we can finally get rid of all this crap the better. Do you think they will bring back the death penalty for anyone caught throwing eggs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 News on BBC this morning: Anybody who turns around to face away from the hearse as it passes will not be arrested. The very fact that there might be the slightest suggestion that by turning around you might be arrested indicates the kind of society that we are living in. The sooner the referendum comes and we can finally get rid of all this crap the better. Amen to that, sir. With last year's jubilee and now Maggie's funeral it makes me wonder just how close the UK is to straying in to North Korean style 'cult of the personality' territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 I'm no fan of Maggie Thatcher and I'm certainly not pro-IRA (having served 6 years as a regular soldier in H.M. Forces, including a tour of NI) but it seems to be the exact same level of inapropriateness as the "dancing on Thatcher's grave" stuff, and referring to her as "it"... I'd agree with this. It's essentially a political joke rather than a sectarian one (the hunger strikers were making a political point, not a religious one). It was just a joke, even though I didn't get it for about three days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Sigesige00 got banned for a hell of a lot less... So i should be banned for making a "comment" about a terrorist who maimed and killed civillians in this country?? While you all can gloat about an old ladys death. well if thats your opinion you can shove it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 So i should be banned for making a "comment" about a terrorist who maimed and killed civillians in this country?? While you all can gloat about an old ladys death. well if thats your opinion you can shove it We don't agree on much, but we do on this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Sigesige00 got banned for a hell of a lot less... So i should be banned for making a "comment" about a terrorist who maimed and killed civillians in this country?? While you all can gloat about an old ladys death. well if thats your opinion you can shove it I don't think that's exactly what he said. Siege Siege 00 posted a lot of stuff that came across badly in translation and expressed a few views that were perhaps culturally different to some on the forum. You tried to crack a sectarian one-liner and it was spotted. Would that be fair to say? No amount of wrong and all that... We all have opinions about Thatcher and you are entitled to yours. I'll even go so far as to say that if I understood why you liked her then I might even respect them. But to stoop to using sectarian songs that you know include the line "you dirty ****** f*****" is way out of order. For the record, I come from a loyalist family - Blacks, Orange and Apprentice Boys; so I do have a feel for this crap. To be honest, I hate it all; both sides; too many lives ruined and a society ruined and divided for no real reason. But with regard to the "dancing on graves comment", if you are a genuine Tory then I can perhaps understand why this upset you so much. I didn't make the comment and think I've been consistent throughout by trying to focus on her relevance and impact on British life - her legacy, her ideology, what she did to this country (you might think for the best) and to the need for national mourning and the £10m cost of her funeral at a time of austerity. To be honest, some decent folk on this forum played devil's advocate and dug you out of a hole. Why not man up and accept that this is a Thistle forum and that there was no need to peddle out loyalist sh***. You could easily have argued for Maggie's legacy from a more informed position. It would take you two seconds to type out an apology. So over to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I never used the words Dirty anything for one, it was a wise crack and probably aimed at your comment about Thatcher letting the hunger strikers die(Strangely enough i thought they done that themselves). I do know this is a Thistle forum and if you thinking i was peddling out "Loyalist shite" then i think you need to wind your neck in a bit and stop being so touchy. And no i wont apologise for making a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The reaction to the death of Thatcher is similar to the reaction to the death of Diana. Absolute overkill and nonsense from both "sides". People dancing in George Squareare the same minority who have a far louder voice than their actual support. Gone are the days of intellectual socialist and worker debate replaced by the shouting and crowing of the likes of Tommy Sheridan and Rosie Kane <shudder>. On the other side - 3 times general election winner, first woman party leader, first woman PM are history making in themselves. I still don't think it merits a funeral on the scale that is being held though. I was 12 when she left power. I hope in the coming years the impact and review can be done in less emotive ways. It seems that too many people have been watcing "Billy Elliot" and are desperate to have claimed to have been hard done by. Unions had too much powers, industries were dying, services were piss poor. Hammer to crack a nut? Perhaps. There was good and there was bad and many people shared both these things as they do with most governments including present day with the coalition in Westminster, SNP in Holyrood and local government make up. The romance of the 1970's and yesteryear by people who did not even live then is baffling. To blame all ill's on one person is wrong and historically inaccurate. It was also 3 decades ago. Different times mean different policies and views in present day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The reaction to the death of Thatcher is similar to the reaction to the death of Diana. Absolute overkill and nonsense from both "sides". People dancing in George Squareare the same minority who have a far louder voice than their actual support. Gone are the days of intellectual socialist and worker debate replaced by the shouting and crowing of the likes of Tommy Sheridan and Rosie Kane <shudder>. On the other side - 3 times general election winner, first woman party leader, first woman PM are history making in themselves. I still don't think it merits a funeral on the scale that is being held though. I was 12 when she left power. I hope in the coming years the impact and review can be done in less emotive ways. It seems that too many people have been watcing "Billy Elliot" and are desperate to have claimed to have been hard done by. Unions had too much powers, industries were dying, services were piss poor. Hammer to crack a nut? Perhaps. There was good and there was bad and many people shared both these things as they do with most governments including present day with the coalition in Westminster, SNP in Holyrood and local government make up. The romance of the 1970's and yesteryear by people who did not even live then is baffling. To blame all ill's on one person is wrong and historically inaccurate. It was also 3 decades ago. Different times mean different policies and views in present day. She was a particularly evil politician though which is why she is so hated and the reason why the hatred people like me have for her is so deep rooted. As an example, Thatcher instructed social security not to provide assistance for miners funerals yet we are expected to provide £10M plus security for hers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I never used the words Dirty anything for one, it was a wise crack and probably aimed at your comment about Thatcher letting the hunger strikers die(Strangely enough i thought they done that themselves). I do know this is a Thistle forum and if you thinking i was peddling out "Loyalist shite" then i think you need to wind your neck in a bit and stop being so touchy. And no i wont apologise for making a joke Thanks for posting and for clarifying. Apologies if I didn't quite get your joke and if I've over-reacted. What I said (cut 'n' paste from an earlier post) was: Thatcher oversaw the ongoing dirty war in Ireland. Her callousness was on display when she condemned Irish Republican hunger strikers to death, rather than concede the recognition as political prisoners for which they were campaigning. At the time many in her government counselled against her actions but she was "not for turning". I'm no IRA apologist by the way but true "statesmanship" on all sides did eventually end the conflict. To be honest, I can't see much wrong with any of the above as my rant related to Thatcher's perceived statesmanship. Similar sentiments have been expressed in a few newspaper columns and I again confirm that there was no dancing on graves my side. You'll have gathered I wasn't a fan so was suggesting that she could be quite single or bloody-minded i.e. she would do anything to win. (See my comments about what she did to British industry, the British working class and to British communities; all relevant and all related. Would a true patriot have allowed any of the devastation to happen?) So in my view, and to get to the point, she wasn't a great statesperson and certainly wasn't the great British patriot that some are making out that she was. The last time I checked this is a discussion forum; so I guess all colours of opinion are valid... Wait until Blair dies - I'm filing my comments already and may have to release them from beyond the grave!! Never been called 'touchy' on this forum, you've made my day. I must be doing something right Edited April 16, 2013 by Meister Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUMBERNAULD JAG Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Mate i know what her govenment done to this country i was working at the time and had to up sticks and move to London to get work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The fact a democratically elected politician, elected 3 times is described as "evil" just shows how the arguments for and against are totally over exagerated and difficult to debate and assess at the current time. Now I was 12 when she left being PM but my working class (I do dislike that word though, not a good desription of people) Grandparents bought their own house in Maryhill. Something that was "pie in the sky" for their parents. It gave them an enormous sense of pride after generations of private and public sector tenancies. They also paid less in Poll Tax as they got a rebate for being retired. Grandpa had worked in heavy industry and was sad to see its demise but recognised union intransigence, foreign (cheaper) competition and decrease in demand. These were pensioners who were not terrorised or damaged. Just ordinary folk who lived a life far more humbler than mine and were content with their lot. As I said earlier "hammer to crack a nut" or whatever the phrase is but you could also go back to the 1970's which were no bundle of laughs and look at people damaged by inflation, strikes and union control over much of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The fact a democratically elected politician, elected 3 times is described as "evil" just shows how the arguments for and against are totally over exagerated and difficult to debate and assess at the current time. Now I was 12 when she left being PM but my working class (I do dislike that word though, not a good desription of people) Grandparents bought their own house in Maryhill. Something that was "pie in the sky" for their parents. It gave them an enormous sense of pride after generations of private and public sector tenancies. They also paid less in Poll Tax as they got a rebate for being retired. Grandpa had worked in heavy industry and was sad to see its demise but recognised union intransigence, foreign (cheaper) competition and decrease in demand. These were pensioners who were not terrorised or damaged. Just ordinary folk who lived a life far more humbler than mine and were content with their lot. As I said earlier "hammer to crack a nut" or whatever the phrase is but you could also go back to the 1970's which were no bundle of laughs and look at people damaged by inflation, strikes and union control over much of the country. Well I'd discount 1983 for a start as she was way behind Labour ijn the polls until she swept back to power on the back of the Falklands. Other than in 1979, she had no mandate whatsoever to govern in Scotland. Another interesting fact as a lot of people bring up the 'right to buy' scheme is that 40% of ex council houses are now in the hands of private landlords. She also stopped building any council houses. I make absolutely no apology for calling her evil as that is exactly what she was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Mate i know what her govenment done to this country i was working at the time and had to up sticks and move to London to get work At least you had a bike! No more from me btw, I'm away to Firhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 As an example, Thatcher instructed social security not to provide assistance for miners funerals Is that true? Can't say I've ever heard that one before although fair enough if it did happen. I'd be genuinely interested to see any evidence or links to something about it. You may have it right, but I can't imagine the social security system working like that. Also, what miners funerals are you talking about here - all miners, or ones who died during the strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Is that true? Can't say I've ever heard that one before although fair enough if it did happen. I'd be genuinely interested to see any evidence or links to something about it. You may have it right, but I can't imagine the social security system working like that. Also, what miners funerals are you talking about here - all miners, or ones who died during the strike? Fist hit on google.. http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/131689 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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