Harry Wragg Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Saturday was just a bad day at the office !! Every team will get one of those days so no need to panic. Our problem on Sat was a big tall striker who terrified our defense , theres not too many like him around, and by the way the Dons fans I know and talk to , dont really like him , I'd love to have him at firhill !! Wholesale changes will not work, but we do need to vary the pattern a bit. Last season it took the others about a dozen games or so to read us and we hit a sticky patch a la JMAC's single style , Archie brought a slightly different pattern in and it saw us thru to the Flag, We are in with the Big Boys and we need to get tough and mix it with them, more beef is needed and I think come mid term Archie will have to be looking to strengthen the team with one or two big physical players. That said we are still much better than 4 or 5 teams here and I firmly believe we will stay up , lets not get carried away with looking for anything else this year , stabalising ourselves as a premiership team is about as much as we should reasonably expect. Killie are one of the lesser sides I mentioned and so we can and should get 3 points this sat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Reading between the lines of Archie's post match report, it was a surprise that Welsh started the season so strongly as he hadn't had too much preseason.I think this last injury has put him back too much. I would be surprised to see him start on Sat. Also based on Saturday and the reports from St M and Motherwell, Osbourne has been the pick of the midfield, so he will probably start. Lawless and Bannigan haven't been so impressive so far this season - maybe one of them could do with dropping to the bench. I am glad I am not the manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewarty Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 I'd go for: --------------------Fox---------------------- SOD------Aero------Conrad-------ATS -----------Fraser------Welsh------------- --Lawless------Higgy------Bannigan-- ------------------Doolan-------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueensXkid Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Agree entirely with peagreen's thoughts....keep reading about other teams catching on to jags style and taking necessary steps to achieve the victory ...Archie was saying that they dont have anyone in a scouting capacity employed anymore ...think it's about time that changed ....there must be someone at firhill capable of filling that vacancy while running their eye over future oppositions style of play to give Archie an advanced warning of what to expect and to prepare accordingly!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted September 16, 2013 Members Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Lawless and Bannigan haven't been so impressive so far this season - maybe one of them could do with dropping to the bench. I am glad I am not the manager Is that the same Bannigan that won the SPL YPOTM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Is that the same Bannigan that won the SPL YPOTM? You are absolutely right Willjag - but are you saying that he hasn't made more mistakes this season than last. For me he hasn't been so sharp and has been caught in possession more often and has been bullied off the ball more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Pishflaps. Every minor setback is being treated as a major crisis on here these days. Edited September 17, 2013 by Dark Passenger 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted September 17, 2013 Members Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 You are absolutely right Willjag - but are you saying that he hasn't made more mistakes this season than last. For me he hasn't been so sharp and has been caught in possession more often and has been bullied off the ball more. Doesn't say much for every other young SPL player then does it not? Looked in form in the Dundee United and Hearts home games. Reportedly dominating in the game against St Mirren. Played well at Ross, can't comment on the 'Well game as I didn't make it and can't recall reports in our one other defeat this season. For me on Saturday, he wasn't outstanding, but in a poor bunch, I don't recall any glaring errors or him getting bullied off the ball as often (if at all?) as you're making out. In his first ever SPL season, the lad is doing really well and is more than worth his place in the team. Not spectacular but solid week in, week out. Also, remember his role has changed this season with the arrival of Higgingbotham. Last season he and ATS often marauded down the left. So far this season, he's been strictly through the centre. And try as I might, I still can't recall him being caught in possession, bullied off the ball and making numerous mistakes as you say he is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudjag Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Have to agree with will jag. Bannigan is one of those guys you can rely on week in week out. He like every professional footballer will have bad days but as will jag said solid as they come with Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco77 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Both SOD and ATS are great at getting forward but both need to work on their final ball. Too many times this season the cross is either overhit or hits the first man. On saturday SODs crossing was especially bad. We have zero height so crosses should be drilled into the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Both SOD and ATS are great at getting forward but both need to work on their final ball. Too many times this season the cross is either overhit or hits the first man. On saturday SODs crossing was especially bad. We have zero height so crosses should be drilled into the box. Totally agree. When watching the County United game, I noticed one major difference to us and Utd (who played exceptionally well and are going to finnish in euro spot IMO) and that is the quality of final ball is 10 times better. Also when they swarmed forward, their players broke into the box, where as we have a tendency to have one person in it and everyone else waiting outside waiting on the break of the ball. Which never comes if there is no one to attack it. But first problems first, the crossing needs drastically improved. Granted picking out a player after bombing down the wing is a difficult skill - but they should be able to cross balls into threatening positions easily enough. O'Donnell never gets a ball past the first man or off the ground. If he can't lift a ball then he needs to work on hitting it behind the defence, rather than infront of them. Sinclair is the opposite and gets under the ball too much, losing all control and normally always over hitting it. Sinclair I feel has improved this season - mentioned before I think he is crossing less and passing it inside more which is more effective if you can't cross. O'Donnell gets in great positions with the ball and if he could improve his final ball then he could be a deadly asset. I think though there is a reason they are playing at our level and all our players are going to have some quite obvious faults. In Sinclairs case he is managing them by changing his style of play, in O'Donnell's case something has to change - knocking an average cross into the box isn't difficult. EDIT: County also managed some decent delivieries - mainly by Carey who was their only decent player alongside Brittain - and they managed to get two goals out of it while playing terribly. Edited September 17, 2013 by read'n'yell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Sitting at lunch with a killie fan. Apparently they are rotten, no tactics apart from pumping long balls at Boyd all day. That's it. Yep Killie fan in my work said much the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Pishflaps. Every minor setback is being treated as a major crisis on here these days. http://pictures.auto...image-large.gif Oops, sorry! I thought you said minor hatchback. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Have to say I am worried about this one. Johnston knows how to set up his side to stop us playing and Boyd is exactly the type of player to unsettle Aero and Conrad. I can see us getting beat 1-0 by a long ball pumped upto Boyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 On paper we have a better squad but there are no easy games at this level. If we set our stall out early to get the ball down and play we should get a result but we've shown a tendency to try and walk the ball into the net. Boyd certainly is good with his feet for a big lad. Losing a goal in the first 20 minutes is a bad time to concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) St Mirren game was a biggie but even this early in the season this is massive. We really need to win these type of games at Firhill. Killie appear to be in meltdown (crowd on Saturday just scraped over 3000) and its important to keep the pressure on them Hearts and St Mirren Edited September 17, 2013 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Losing a goal in the first 20 minutes is a bad time to concede. And shipping two is suicide..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 On paper we have a better squad but there are no easy games at this level. If we set our stall out early to get the ball down and play we should get a result but we've shown a tendency to try and walk the ball into the net. Boyd certainly is good with his feet for a big lad. Losing a goal in the first 20 minutes is a bad time to concede. 4 lazy cliches in a row. Do you work for BBC Scotland? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 There are no prizes for guessing who are our "most conquered" in the 999 Top Flight victories list. Getting stuck behind a tractor on the A71 is always dead annoying but usually worthwhile in the end... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watties wallies Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Missed the game on Saturday just watched highlights and read just in The back 4 Peter capaldi was all at sea I know it was his first game but really poor performance Thought maybe osbourne would have done much better in that position Against st midden lots of posters said that Ozzie had a really good game in midfield Imo when he received the ball when we were coming out of defence he slowed the game down we seemed to lose momentum If welsh is fit he should play along with bannigan and craigen in midfield Up front lawless and higginbottom with Doolan leading the line Can't understand why Doolan did not play from the ko His movement skill and effort made the difference against st midden Of course killie will have learned to combat our flying fullbacks but that means they will have to play further up the park exposing by all accounts a shaky defence With lawless Doolan and higginbottom coming at you at pace I just can't wait for Saturday If Conrad can't make it then maybe Ozzie is the short term answer Boyd is slow but has plenty of skill on the ball and is probably the best header of a ball in this league Snuff out his supply and we are all but home and dry Finally before we bring on Baird I would like to see Elliot be given a chance he is strong bloody fast and never gives up Anyway bring on the tractor drivers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 If Conrad can't make it then maybe Ozzie is the short term answer Took a walk through the Garscube estate at lunchtime today and caught a couple of minutes of the squad playing 10 on 10. Conrad was playing and was certainly in fine voice. Hopefully he'll be good for Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted September 17, 2013 Members Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Aberdeen supporting mate is a big admirer of Osbourne, however, he reckons although he can play at the back, he's a bit of a bombscare and sold the odd goal or two when played there by Aberdeen in an emergency. Likely that was the biggest crowd Gabriel has ever played in front and perhaps nerves got the better of him on the day. I'm sure he'll be back in the team again before the end of the season and I hope our support give him a chance before having a go at him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watties wallies Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I agree with what you say wj I think a certain a Hanson wasn't too clever on his first few games Edited September 17, 2013 by watties wallies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hopefully Archie and Shaggy will be using their central defence knowledge to do some extra work with Gabby. Anyone that gives him a hard time over one game shouldnt be welcome at Firhill imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hopefully Archie and Shaggy will be using their central defence knowledge to do some extra work with Gabby. Anyone that gives him a hard time over one game shouldnt be welcome at Firhill imo There will be 500 home supporters at Firhill on Saturday then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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