avie-man

I don't think the guy should be chased for his personal views and he is lucky it seems the majority of Thistle fans appear to share his view, but you are going to be watched extra carefully when you have prominence or influence. Did we not have a director removed/step down during the latter days of the Low era because there were fan objections to questionable twitter content? I suspect if there was a person in a position of power at Firhill posting about Palestinians being terorrists or whatever even if it was just a retweet there would be a backlash.

We are just not a likeable club at the moment. Arrogant, overpaid, underachieving and spare me the "he's a legend but" chat, we didn't sack Archie either until we were second bottom of this league. Cozy to not even a fault but a complete danger to the club. We are run by nothing more than a bunch of self promoting LinkedIn types. Crying out for outsiders who can come in and objectively gut the place top to bottom.

It's much easier to sign up than cancel. I can cancel a streaming service at the click of a button. Why make it a process to email TJF and wait on a response or the same by contacting a bank? TJF have never actually made it clear on how to cancel your membership, I had to get an answer on here. Gives the impression to me that the process is being protected and locks people in by having to look for answers then contact someone to get out. Are TJF worried about significant cancellations if it was easier to do so, given the clubs on field performance and continued losses? Knowing if people have to sit and compile an e-mail and wait its much more likely to be seen as a hassle and slip their mind and infact I have been personally guilty of this, I looked in the past and when I couldn’t figure it out it just slipped my mind. Uch its only £10 per month not worth the bother. Just comes across as sneaky. An open organisation allows people to come and go, not put up barriers to those wanting out, if someone emails TJF are they going to be pressured into keeping their subscription? What if someone doesn’t want to personally cancel because they know they’ll be seen as not buying into the vision as such? The organisation is very vocal on its growing membership numbers etc but has never made it clear on how to cancel or made it easy to do so. Well, I know now I suppose.

Sounds like a process designed to make it deliberately awkward for people to cancel.

Can anyone advise on how you are able to cancel your TJF membership? I can't find anything on the website or via e-mail links I've received like most regular subscriptions where you can cancel, change membership type etc.

Other clubs progress whilst we stand still. PTFC is in much the same boat it was 15 years ago in regards to setup and mindset. We have the same shit facilities, lack of infrastructure, we're pretty much where we were on the field, we're still losing a lot of money. The only change from that time period though is that in percentages "the fans" own more of the club. Most of the directors, power people during that time were fans just like the TJF board members, the trustees etc, so whats different now really? Infact the whole selling point of Propco to the wider support was that those with a stake were Thistle minded people or whatever and would not use that to put the club at risk like a typical property investor who would seek to get involved for their own gain foremost, even if meant others were collateral damage. We've been fan owned in all but name since Save the Jags, one way or another. There hasn't been a strong outside influence in so long. Its a bubble. Clubs like Ayr in terms of infrastructure are surpassing us. They are not a bigger club than Thistle, attendance, on field success would show that over the years, they shouldn't be. They do however allow investment from local businessmen and outsiders because they know there is only so much within their actual fanbase to allow them to grow to match their ambitions. Raith are another example who whilst are struggling to find the balance on field just now, there has been tremendous investment off of it to elevate the club to the level they eventually want to be with their new owners. Thistle it just feels like staving off the wolves each time with generous donations from connected supporters, oh **** we lost lots of money again lets plug the hole for the short term. Thistle fans view outsiders with suspicion and unless you pass some dyed in the wool fan test, you aren't really welcome if you want any sort of control of the club, you need to present that you once went to a game in 1985 or something to show your legitimacy if you can't show you go to games every week. Its weird but ultimately the fans have spoken and thats they want, not what I want, so as a club, we have made our bed. The club is too cozy and nepotistic. A ruthless outsider would be seen as a threat because they'd put their own people in and run things objectively rather than everyone at the club being a fan, or an ex player or employee or a pal of someone or whatever.

Doolan is so pish. Dread to think how bad we'd be if we had Morton's budget.

Probably some sanctimonious reply mocking people for being paranoid and coming up with conspiracy theories. The inner circle are making it a habit of talking down to the plebs.

They will wait as long as they want. The club is now about a select few people and groups as well as their inner circles and how they can promote themselves and interests. Performance on the pitch is secondary.

Times up. At least we're top of the fan index survey though.

The one thing that is better under this regime is attendances have went up. I will give them that. However I see many historical problems that remain, and to be fair again, some of this won't change overnight as it was inherited, but seeing what I do and reading the recent statements and Q&A feedback I just don't see any vision. Every penny coming into the club still seems to be about staving off debt and staying afloat in the short term. We are still losing money anyway. Have a stadium we cannot afford to maintain, no training ground. Begging fans to use Firhill; I remember the same chat 15 years ago. Despite being "fan owned", decisions made around investment are not being fully communicated with fans. Fans are being stretched way more than the propco days. Jagzone, TJF membership etc way more than the usual matchday tickets, merch etc which have obviously went up in price since. Mentality wise we are still very nepotistic (is that a word?). Largely staffed and run by fans off the field and run by ex players and "legends" on it. We still underachieve for the most part. I look at Kilmarnock winning games away from home in Europe and building a new training ground whilst we fall over ourselves to justify losses to league 2 teams at home, if we are not careful we will be looking the other way this season in what was a golden opportunity to win the league. For all the back slapping of how good fan ownership is we are still a Championship club. Ayr United were a part-time club with 1200 fans not that long ago but have made huge investments in their whole setup and they might well surpass us soon. I need to see more going forward to sell me than simply "we aren't Jacqui Low" that is now wearing thin. Do these people have the guts to sack a manager if needed? I am not sure the new GM knows what he has let himself in for and his ability to influence much I would say will be limited. He's there more or less to run the club day to day than to make key decisions about the overall direction. The well of "thistle minded" people has run dry on and off the field. We keep recruiting from within and we have an average team on the park and a weak infrastructure that bleeds cash off of it. You could have copy and pasted that in 2009. The more things change the more they stay the same.

QP second best run club in the league, yet constantly chop and change grounds and ship in and out the on/off field folk running the club. Clyde 12th best run club in Scotland despite being homeless. ICT being rated as better run than Championship clubs like Airdrie. It's birthday card pish, not even considering they graded us poorly in two of the four areas on their scale and we are still celebrating it.

"Happy for McCall" what you're happy for us to lose just cause he was used to manage us? **** me. Classic soft Thistle and the mentality problem that just plagues us. I'm not bothered we got beat so our ex rather average manager could enjoy a win against us with a sad wee mob who hate us. I've read it all now when it comes to daft posts.

We have needed three key players all summer - goalie - we can't rely on Mitchell as we seen again and still clearly need a right back and a striker. We are now at risk of the market drying up and being left to scrape the barrell. Also, beyond that some of the existing squad concerned me. Can't keep farting about waiting on the likes of Megwa. Williams is rubbish. He gets a pass though because he was in the crowd ffs! Chalmers is a sand dancer. Thats what I saw of him at Ayr and Dundee United and I saw it again tonight. Ashcroft with one of the worst displays I've ever seen, bordering on unprofessional getting beaten in a foot race by a lanky giraffe. Would really wonder what the pre-season plan is. Doolan says fitness isn't a huge part of it as theres an expectation players come back in a certain shape and they're all given diet plans to follow but a good few players did not look sharp against a team of part-timers. Funny how often we lose to part-timers over the years but can't lay a glove on teams above us. Still relying on 36 year old Brian Graham. Thats not a league winning team. Lacks quality, depth and mentality.

Thats part of the problem - as outlined excellently in your post. Everything about the club is based on emotion, theres no objective judgement, we won't let someone with a fresh set of eyes come in from the outside and show the ruthlessness we need, there almost a suspicious like attitude from the fans, who now run the club about any outsiders. Thistle fans also have this warped sense of playing idealistic football, "the right way" rather than whats actually effective. We plod along with the legends on the playing side of things giving them as long as they like and the end result is 50 years of abject shite on the park and off the park ain't much better even after a lottery winner hanging around. Gary Caldwell would have been hunted after some of the form and showings of Doolan, Archie or McCall. Miles Storey or Shea Gordon or Juan Alegria or any number of bad players would get dogs abuse after a bad game cause they're not deemed to be one of our own whilst certain players get away with because of their standing in the club. Doolan isn't going to get sacked, they've made their bed, but they need to get him some help on the managerial staff and he could at least start by dropping certain players who give the impression they've become undroppable like Bannigan and Graham.

There you have it, one of the movers and shakers in TJF happy to accept shite. Sounds about right with the fans of this club. Chances of us ever doing what Killie did there. Zero.

Doolan out of his depth. This team is a mirror of McCall and Archie's. Any legends left for us to hire at this point? Seeing as we don't want anyone who doesn't understand the thistle way, of perennially losing.

Not like us to throw a lead away. Doolan's teams look and play the exact same way as McCall's and Archie's, total deja vu watching that. They aren't going to sack him so Doolan needs an experienced head to help him, and we all knew the risks giving him the job so it's up to them to help him. Brian Graham, the finger pointing world champion will be the next manager anyway so no rush from me to get him out. The fans have made it clear they don't want anyone who doesn't know the club in positions of power on or off the park, yet it's that clear minded, lack of sentiment that's sorely needed to put an end to the gravy train and gut the place. No more cushy deals for passengers like Bannigan just coz they're "legends". Its too cosy up at Firhill. Airdrie wanted that more yesterday which is totally unacceptable. They've a 30 year old manager and much smaller budget. Absolutely no excuses for what we saw.

More chance of the Warriors coming back here. We're skint and the athletics groups and local residents have basically blocked any further expansion of Scotstoun.

We will be feeding off the scraps, loan signings and maybe a veteran or two who will take peanuts to stay full-time. Bite your hand off for 8th now.

Whole stadium is a problem. JH, seats, as outlined, the roof has holes all over. Main stand just see above. Bing is an embarrassment. Main stand is the saddest as its a tremendous piece of architecture especially the exterior thats been awfully neglected. Needs to be a masterplan for Firhill and our facilities. Ayr United are building a new stand, Raith Rovers, renovating two. It seems like for a while now we've been ambling slowly towards the decay and disrepair of it with absolutely no plan until we hit a crisis, nor do we seem bothered.

Club need to be actively looking, and I'd like to think as cited above its been ongoing. Something of more substance to plug the holes as opposed to begging for supporters to dig deeper yet again. Planning permission last lodged (and granted) in 2015 (https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=NFR8NBEXW4000&activeTab=summary) for the firhill developments iteration. No willing developer at the time. I'd say the state of play around the stadium has considerably changed since then. That canalside land is not the derelict and abandoned ex foundry land it was in years gone by. Massive regeneration has gone into the canal from Port Dundas all the way up to Firhill in the last few years and isn't stopping, including even away from the close proximity of the canal down to the likes of the new bike lanes on Garscube rd.

Club have to be actively exploring options for the bing again at this point.

You reap what you sow. Bannigan has been an undeserved darling for years now and was a complete weak link the second he came on the field. Its our loser mentality that we put an average declining player like him on a pedestal and what a surprise hes heavily involved in the collapse. Roll on the testimonial when we can talk about all those great goals of his, sorry yellow cards. No surprise Brownlie at fault again either for one of the goals. Another one who the warning signs were there for. This year was a chance and we blew it. United will buy an otherwise weak league next season and we're left feeding off scraps again.

Think Graham needs a rest. Not got the legs to be playing twice a week now. Dowds and Mullen should be good options in reserve so no need to run him into the ground with loads of the season left.