Dallas Resigns

[beep0608]

It might just be my age (been round the block a few times) but all this po faced declaring by people that they are deeply insulted and offended at the Dallas email. What was it about the Hokey Cokey again? Mr Reid the so called political attack dog, offended! Aye right). Jeezo it was an email! doing the rounds showing a satirical school sign. Something that Have I got News For You might use. Well maybe not.

 

Catholics, and others, should get a grip and cut out all this feigning of pious indignation. We get enough of that stuff from the Moslems. There are a lot more other things the church should be concerned about. You can say that again. But there is nothing like a nice diversion. Unless of course that church is so closely linked to a football club, which in itself is a bit dubious, then I suppose the email is an ideal club the beat a referee over the head with.

 

I know a lot of Catholics who would not have been offended by that, more likely they'd have agreed with the subtext. That's one of the problems, that certain organisations or individuals are above any form of criticism, including satire, cos that's what this email amounts to. Another church that covers up some cancer in it's own body and won't admit to it in time. Fair enough, they've done it at last, grudgingly, but it's been decades late.

 

Fuxake, he forwarded an email. World gone mad, but it did ages ago.

Edited November 28, 2010 by beep0608

[rodmac]

Such Pious Outrage that some people show!!

Dallas should have gone, but for football related matters, along with MacDonald.

The Catholic Church would have been better advised to treat the whole matter with contempt,and totally Ignored it.

 

You would think by now, that people would be more wise,and not forward dubious joke emails or any personal stuff from a works computer. Likewise, realise that all their tweets and Facebook comments are effectively in the public domain.

 

I am perfectly sure that given the mountain of dubious jokes I have had sent to me over the years by email, that there will be some that I found mildy amusing enough to have forwarded, without thinking too deeply of the implications of someone taking them seriously.

 

Really,it is as always, a Media driven frenzy, which does no good whatsoever for society.

It is about time that we took a proper look at how people allow themselves to be sucked into stories which are generated to create controversy to sell papers.

[Mr Bunny]

Yes, thank you for the clarification, so I take it we can agree it is ok for the Catholic Church to have their say in this as it directly affected them, it is only their timing that concerns you.

 

Totally agree that being rude about the pope is not necessarily bigotry, it is however still rude.

 

While as you say there is a lot to be rude about, there is also a lot to congratulate the church on, probably more in fact. And when the rudeness of portraying only one polar opinion displays such a derogatory and biased view, surely that is the description of bigotry?

 

No, it's a definition of a closed mind. Bigotry is when you take action against people because of who or what you preceive them to be ... denying them jobs or promotions for instance or in extreme cases actually attacking them physically.

 

As for the good the church does. From what I've seen of the history of the church (not just the Catholic church but all churches in general) when good gets done, it's because of good individuals within the church. Down through history they've all, all denominations, supported persecution, war and the powerful against the weak. (Perhaps we could leave the Quakers out but they're pretty small).

[Tom Hosie]

Such Pious Outrage that some people show!!

 

For those that haven't read it already this is well worth a read.

 

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/celticfc/Tom-English-39In-effect-they.6642373.jp?articlepage=1

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Wes, you accused a fellow poster on here as being "factually a bigot". Would it not be better to retract that? I can't see that in doing so would negate your argument in any way.

[Lionel J. Botch]

just heard that Dougie McDonald has resigned as well......................

[Tom Hosie]

just heard that Dougie McDonald has resigned as well......................

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/9236198.stm

[lady-isobel-barnett]

just heard that Dougie McDonald has resigned as well......................

Gotta feeling that the press/media will try and put some correlation between the Refs' dispute, Dallas resigning and now this. Naturally of course there's no relation re the timing of these three events .

[Jaggyman]

If rumours are to be believed this has some way to go yet. Davie Provan mentions it in his bit in the NOTW today. What if, just what if, Celtic have proof of some wrong doing. Jeez oh, where does that leave Scottish football?

 

I have heard through the grapevine that this might not be a million miles from the truth. An unamed journalist has the story and has been legally stopped from printing it. I'm not saying this is true just what ive heard and i have no reason to disbelieve it

[Trotter]

I have heard through the grapevine that this might not be a million miles from the truth. An unamed journalist has the story and has been legally stopped from printing it. I'm not saying this is true just what ive heard and i have no reason to disbelieve it

 

Was this the Irish journo whose name is doing the rounds on Twitter and a Glasgow East teams forum?

[MerryHell]

I have heard through the grapevine that this might not be a million miles from the truth. An unamed journalist has the story and has been legally stopped from printing it. I'm not saying this is true just what ive heard and i have no reason to disbelieve it

This has just got to be sh*te - you'd think they'd never won a thing, or continually gotten to finals, only to be beaten 1-0 via a dubious 90th minute penalty in all of them. What happened on Saturday when, for the second home game in a row, they threw away leads to only take a point?

 

How can Celtic back up their claims of prejudice against them? - claim somebody has proof but is being legally prevented from revealing it. It certainly makes the critics think they could be wrong and keeps fanning the flames. It also prevents people being able to analize/verify the 'proof'. If they are able to say the've had an injunction against them/their story then they can tell us who has raised the action.

 

I previously though of them as an irrelevance, but i'm beginning to hate Celtic now.

[Winter of '63]

McDonald's position was clearly untenable...he clearly failed to realise that every decision must be given to Celtic...they must have parity with their Bigot Brothers, it's the only thing that matters in Scottish Football.

[Blackpool Jags]

This has just got to be sh*te - you'd think they'd never won a thing, or continually gotten to finals, only to be beaten 1-0 via a dubious 90th minute penalty in all of them. What happened on Saturday when, for the second home game in a row, they threw away leads to only take a point?

 

How can Celtic back up their claims of prejudice against them? - claim somebody has proof but is being legally prevented from revealing it. It certainly makes the critics think they could be wrong and keeps fanning the flames. It also prevents people being able to analize/verify the 'proof'. If they are able to say the've had an injunction against them/their story then they can tell us who has raised the action.

 

I previously though of them as an irrelevance, but i'm beginning to hate Celtic now.

 

 

McDonald's position was clearly untenable...he clearly failed to realise that every decision must be given to Celtic...they must have parity with their Bigot Brothers, it's the only thing that matters in Scottish Football.

 

Spot on.

 

Over the years, I've found it that bit easier to lambast the blue nuns than the tims. This indisputable eruption of paranoia from the latter has given me the opportunity to redress the balance of contempt.

 

Ok, there is probably a bunch of masonic/orange types within our refereeing ranks who might call a dodgy one against the tims on the odd occcasion. In all likelihood, and to a fractionally lesser degree, there's a few with catholic/republican tendencies who would discreetly stick it up their nemesis when the chance arises. More significantly to me, there's a glut of mediocre to pish referees within the list who would have any fan of any team screaming that this or that particular basta*d's got it in for them; I've certainly felt that for a few hours on a Saturday often enough.

 

Claims that there is this invisible wall of hatred which manifests itself in a continuous repetition of crucial, dodgy decisions against this despicable club, within the ranks of Scottish referees, is plainly delusional at best and deeply contemptuous at worst.

 

A message to Celtic Football Club: you're no more or less hard done by than any other club. By wailing at the pitch you're presently doing, you're making an absolute arse of yourselves and bringing yourselves into serious contempt and, more significantly, harming the already fractured reputation of Scottish football. We, the rest of the Scottish footballing fraternity, do not need this outpouring of sanctimonious mucus from you. Shut up, put your wee toys back in the pram and for crying out loud get on with it.

[Fearchar]

Spot on.

 

Over the years, I've found it that bit easier to lambast the blue nuns than the protestims......

Sorted that for you - just to even things up, you understand.

[B.C.G. JAG]

I find the failure of Joseph Ratzinger to take steps to protect children from paedophiles pretty offensive. Perhaps he should resign?

[Lionel J. Botch]

I find the failure of Joseph Ratzinger to take steps to protect children from paedophiles pretty offensive. Perhaps he should resign?

Maybe he should, but can we keep the debate on a football front?

 

McDonald said in his 'white lie' interview that he had no intentions of resigning. I wonder what changed his mind nearly 6 weeks later?

[alx]

Ok, there is probably a bunch of masonic/orange types within our refereeing ranks who might call a dodgy one against the tims on the odd occcasion. In all likelihood, and to a fractionally lesser degree, there's a few with catholic/republican tendencies who would discreetly stick it up their nemesis when the chance arises. More significantly to me, there's a glut of mediocre to pish referees within the list who would have any fan of any team screaming that this or that particular basta*d's got it in for them; I've certainly felt that for a few hours on a Saturday often enough.

 

Amen, this quote sounds about right to me.

 

 

 

 

(maybe I shouldn't have said Amen, ahem)

[Stephen1876]

Maybe he should, but can we keep the debate on a football front?

 

McDonald said in his 'white lie' interview that he had no intentions of resigning. I wonder what changed his mind nearly 6 weeks later?

 

Weeks of media and personal abuse that were totally unacceptable - it's a game and just too many people that support the bigot brothers forget that.

[The Earl of Hathaway]

Weeks of media and personal abuse that were totally unacceptable - it's a game and just too many people that support the bigot brothers forget that.

 

I think this is a point that seems to have been lost somewhere along the line. It's a long time since I've spent 90 minutes shouting and swearing at a referee - we've got players who serve that purpose - but I think most people go more for the 'Ach you're having a joke/nightmare ref' rather than a full hour and a half having a go at the officials...

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Ok, there is probably a bunch of masonic/orange types within our refereeing ranks who might call a dodgy one against the tims on the odd occcasion. In all likelihood, and to a fractionally lesser degree, there's a few with catholic/republican tendencies who would discreetly stick it up their nemesis when the chance arises. More significantly to me, there's a glut of mediocre to pish referees within the list who would have any fan of any team screaming that this or that particular basta*d's got it in for them; I've certainly felt that for a few hours on a Saturday often enough.

 

 

 

Amen, this quote sounds about right to me.

 

 

 

 

(maybe I shouldn't have said Amen, ahem)

and an Amen, brother, from me.

 

 

 

( maybe I shouldn't have said "brother", ahem)

 

 

One of the elements of paranoia that really gets me beelin' is when ugly sister A is playing against say Kilmarnock. Killie or whoever get a perfectly good goal disallowed. Ugly sister B somehow feels it's a decision gone against them and hey presto, it's paranoia alert time for them. Killie or whoever just accept the dodgy decision and more or less take it in their stride. Yet it's the team playing against ugly sister A that should be the ones that are paranoid. It need not of course be Killie. Could be any of 39 other clubs that just accept decisions are going to be weighted in favour of either of those two embarrassments to our nation. Now I'm sounding paranoid .

[yoda-jag]

and an Amen, brother, from me.

 

 

 

( maybe I shouldn't have said "brother", ahem)

 

 

One of the elements of paranoia that really gets me beelin' is when ugly sister A is playing against say Kilmarnock. Killie or whoever get a perfectly good goal disallowed. Ugly sister B somehow feels it's a decision gone against them and hey presto, it's paranoia alert time for them. Killie or whoever just accept the dodgy decision and more or less take it in their stride. Yet it's the team playing against ugly sister A that should be the ones that are paranoid. It need not of course be Killie. Could be any of 39 other clubs that just accept decisions are going to be weighted in favour of either of those two embarrassments to our nation. Now I'm sounding paranoid .

 

.....but so right.

 

 

 

On all counts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bless you.

 

 

Ahem.

[John Blutarsky]

football operates in an era where clubs in top leagues regularly commission to their own specifications, sports stats and data from specialist companies like opta.

it would be easy for celtic or any other spl side to commission stats that would support the view (or otherwise) that refereeing decisions in matches which involve them deviate significantly from the norm. if this did happen to be so, surely the bookmakers would be on the case anyway. perhaps there's a reason why they haven't sought actual evidence to advance their case.

Edited November 29, 2010 by John Blutarsky

[alx]

football operates in an era where clubs in top leagues regularly commission to their own specifications, sports stats and data from specialist companies like opta.

it would be easy for celtic or any other spl side to commission stats that would support the view (or otherwise) that refereeing decisions in matches which involve them deviate significantly from the norm. if this did happen to be so, surely the bookmakers would be on the case anyway. perhaps there's a reason why they haven't sought actual evidence to advance their case.

 

There have been professionally done statistical analyses published in one of the Royal Statistical Society journals that have fairly good evidence that referees are slightly biased in favour of -a- the home team, and -b- the big team. So the refs would look biased in *favour* of Celtic in a formal analysis. But everyone knows that of course......

[John Blutarsky]

indeed. analysis would sell neither tickets for the growing number of empty seats nor newsrags.

 

may the hairs on their heads turn into drumsticks and beat their brains out.

[Christ_Puncher]

Eh?

Is this supposed to be tongue in cheek?

Or are you actually serious ...

Naw i'm serious mate. u've got to be blind if u dont c it