Woodstock Jag Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Am I right in saying that as Thistle manager, McCall has never beaten an SPL side in a competitive fixture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Am I right in saying that as Thistle manager, McCall has never beaten an SPL side in a competitive fixture? Surely you knew that before asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Surely you knew that before asking? I thought so, but I wanted to be certain. I think this is his full record against top flight teams... Thistle 0-2 Aberdeen (LC 3rd round, Aberdeen reach SF) Rangers 1-1 Thistle (SC QF) Thistle 0-2 Rangers (SC QF[R], Rangers go on to win) Thistle 1-2 (AET) Rangers (LC 3rd round, Rangers reach Final) ICT 3-0 Thistle (SC 4th round, ICT reach QF) Thistle 0-2 Dundee United (SC 4th round, Dundee United go on to win) Edited February 6, 2011 by Woodstock Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.G. JAG Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Well that just means that by the laws of probability we're due a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Correct. Dundee Utd, Rangers (twice), Inverness and Aberdeen have all won since McCall took over. Dundee Utd and Rangers went on to be the winners of the competition the years they knocked us out the Scottish Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Would read absolutely nothing into that.. We've beaten Falkirk this season, who basically have the same squad that was in the SPL last season, we also beat ICT last season, who also have a similar squad to last season. Again, that doesn't mean anything, but just because we haven't beaten an SPL team so far doesn't mean we're not good enough to/or won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I thought so, but I wanted to be certain. I think this is his full record against top flight teams... Thistle 0-2 Aberdeen Rangers 1-1 Thistle Thistle 0-2 Rangers Thistle 1-2 Rangers ICT 3-0 Thistle Thistle 0-2 Dundee United Correct, in competitive games at least. Don't think tho' that we've been that much away from a win. I guess the closest we've been to winning was at Ibrox but we could easily have had draws against United and Rangers (after extra time). In the latter tho' I wouldn't have fancied our chances in a shoot out at Firhill against Rangers as Tuffey was carrying an injury picked up in extra time. The game against Aberdeen hinged round Roberts missed penalty as could even be argued about Donnelly's miss v Rangers. Even the game in Inverness would have been salvageable if we could have switched on earlier. We were the better side in the second half. There rests the case for the defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Would read absolutely nothing into that.. We've beaten Falkirk this season, who basically have the same squad that was in the SPL last season, we also beat ICT last season, who also have a similar squad to last season. Again, that doesn't mean anything, but just because we haven't beaten an SPL team so far doesn't mean we're not good enough to/or won't. It's not a question of whether we're good enough. The question is do we have the bottle... Let's hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 It's not a question of whether we're good enough. The question is do we have the bottle... Let's hope so. What question? It was you who started the thread. You never mentioned anything about "bottle". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 It's not a question of whether we're good enough. The question is do we have the bottle... Let's hope so. Nothing to do with bottle, it's just another team, who up until 2 seasons ago were in the same division as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 You're forgetting he managed other teams before us, or do you mean Thistle (with McCall) vs top flight teams? I think this is a list of matches against SPL teams (not including his time with Dundee Utd). LC 1997/98 St Mirren 2 - 0 Clydebank SC 1998/99 Clydebank 2 - 2 Dundee Utd SC 1998/99 Dundee Utd 3 - 2 Clydebank Can't find accurate dates for McCall's tenure with Morton but they lost 10 to Rangers in the 2000 SC LC 2001/02 Airdrieonians 2 - 1 Motherwell LC 2001/02 Rangers 3 - 0 Airdrieonians SC 2001/02 Kilmarnock 3 - 0 Airdrieonians LC 2002/03 Dunfermline 2 - 0 Falkirk SC 2002/03 Falkirk 4 - 0 Hearts LC 2006/07 Queen of the South 1 - 2 Kilmarnock (aet) SC 2006/07 Queen of the South 1 - 2 Hibernian A couple of wins in there, nothing since January 2003, so 8 years later he must be due a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 that should say "1-0 to Rangers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 What question? It was you who started the thread. You never mentioned anything about "bottle". Getting a bit facetious Lizzy? All I was saying was that his record with Thistle against top-league teams isn't great. I'm wondering if there's some sort of psychological block. Nothing to do with bottle, it's just another team, who up until 2 seasons ago were in the same division as us. What I'm asking is if anything can be read into it that on the bigger stage in the cup, against higher-league opposition, McCall's Thistle sides lack the bottle to make it through. It's not just about who we're playing but if there is a psychological barrier to playing teams a league above. You're forgetting he managed other teams before us, or do you mean Thistle (with McCall) vs top flight teams? First post: Am I right in saying that as Thistle manager, McCall has never beaten an SPL side in a competitive fixture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm more worried about our crap away record against anybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinyman Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I think we are all forgetting about him beating the 2013 champions league winners twice allready this season,sir Pressley was fuming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 First post: Apologies, must have skimmed that sentence after reading the thread title. Not a very good record, but then again you don't expect cup upsets, they just happen over time. We perhaps should have done a job over ICT a couple of seasons back but other than that they were all tough games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Getting a bit facetious Lizzy? All I was saying was that his record with Thistle against top-league teams isn't great. I'm wondering if there's some sort of psychological block. Sorry, wasn't meant to be facetious. I think only six games against SPL teams is too little to draw any conclusion but I was at all those games and didn't sense anytime we suffered from a lack of bottle. In two of the three games against Rangers we played well above ourselves. Iirc we only went out of the last game in extra time due to an individual error from McKinley. Besides both goals we lost that night were of an exceptional standard. Most recently we lost to Dundee Utd. Putting the handball goal aside in this game we didn't score but us not scoring was the norm last year against much worse opposition than United. Up at Inverness as I've posted earlier we got tore into them albeit too late. Penalty misses (both from experienced players) hampered our chances against Rangers & Aberdeen. That leaves the game at Ibrox and I can't believe anyone would question the fact we were up for it that night. Edited February 7, 2011 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You're forgetting he managed other teams before us, or do you mean Thistle (with McCall) vs top flight teams? I think this is a list of matches against SPL teams (not including his time with Dundee Utd). LC 1997/98 St Mirren 2 - 0 Clydebank SC 1998/99 Clydebank 2 - 2 Dundee Utd SC 1998/99 Dundee Utd 3 - 2 Clydebank Can't find accurate dates for McCall's tenure with Morton but they lost 10 to Rangers in the 2000 SC LC 2001/02 Airdrieonians 2 - 1 Motherwell LC 2001/02 Rangers 3 - 0 Airdrieonians SC 2001/02 Kilmarnock 3 - 0 Airdrieonians LC 2002/03 Dunfermline 2 - 0 Falkirk SC 2002/03 Falkirk 4 - 0 Hearts LC 2006/07 Queen of the South 1 - 2 Kilmarnock (aet) SC 2006/07 Queen of the South 1 - 2 Hibernian A couple of wins in there, nothing since January 2003, so 8 years later he must be due a win. Did Clydebank not beat Hibs when McCall was Manager of the Bankies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jag Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Did Clydebank not beat Hibs when McCall was Manager of the Bankies? Both were in the 1st division at the time. Statto.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Did Clydebank not beat Hibs when McCall was Manager of the Bankies? I did my research through wikipedia, but I think I did copy a note of that game before checking what division Hibs were in at the time and then removing it. There may be errors though as I wasn't entirely sure of some details regarding his time with each club or dates which games were played. And I could easily have missed some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm more worried about our crap away record against anybody! Yes but we got a draw away at Falkirk before the victory at Firhill. A repeat against Saints would be great and put a few extra quid in the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Dunfermline were very unlucky against their SPL opponents yesterday clearly having benefited from a footballing Master Class lesson at Firhill. St Johnstone lost to Aberdeen 1-0 in August and then beat them by a Zander Diamond own goal in the 83rd minute the last time they met so there is nothing in it there. Ipsofacto we stand to beat them by a couple of goals on recent form subject to retaining the proverbial bottle and the law of billy bunter averages. Then again, if my auntie had a c@ck she'd be my uncle. 'mon the Jags!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 So McCall is due a win against an SPL team and we are due a win at McDairmid Park, the writings on the wall...let's hope their aint too much water on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Dunfermline were very unlucky against their SPL opponents yesterday clearly having benefited from a footballing Master Class lesson at Firhill. St Johnstone lost to Aberdeen 1-0 in August and then beat them by a Zander Diamond own goal in the 83rd minute the last time they met so there is nothing in it there. Ipsofacto we stand to beat them by a couple of goals on recent form subject to retaining the proverbial bottle and the law of billy bunter averages. Then again, if my auntie had a c@ck she'd be my uncle. 'mon the Jags!!! But Morton were hammered 5-1 by ICT so lets not get to much ahead of ourselves yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 But Morton were hammered 5-1 by ICT so lets not get to much ahead of ourselves yet. But Morton are sh*te? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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