jagfox Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Looking forward to this match this evening. Will be my first viewing of our reserves this season. Scott MacKenzie and the team have exceeded expectation so far this season. Will be great to get a win against the south side phoenix. Anyone else heading along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partick monkey Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Yeah, I could be up for this. Is Duggan leading the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted November 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Yeah, I could be up for this. Is Duggan leading the line? I think he may be injured A youthful John Baird perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Govan Revivalists is too kind. I use "Govan Greens" (as in Charlie) or "Govan Sevconians" to wind up blue brigade in my family. Talking of the manly mob, I hope that there is segregation tonight as they could turn up in decent numbers for a derby match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Talking of the manly mob thanks for telling us all of your secret crush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptfc95 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Dean shiels set to lead the front line for the blue mob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Kyle Hutton and David Templeton are also supposed to be taking part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 how many overage players are teams allowed to play? I see from Twitter that Hutton was stretchered off & we're 1 down just after half time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistlenowthistleforever Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Something is telling me 3??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 First half was pretty even with Thistle maybe shading it but in the second half Rangers were stronger and took the chances. Thistle didn't get going second half although i did count a 20 pass move that ended with Kerr blasting wide from outside the box was as close as it got for Thistle in the second period. Baird was quiet but i don't think he gets support up to him quick enough and he gets isolated alot. His first touch was poor at times but maybe that's down to not getting alot of the ball up to him and he was snatching at the odd chance he did get coming his way.. I thought Thistle played ok but were just a bit short in the areas that mattered and Rangers were just too strong on the night and more clinical in front of goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 First half was pretty even with Thistle maybe shading it but in the second half Rangers were stronger and took the chances. Thistle didn't get going second half although i did count a 20 pass move that ended with Kerr blasting wide from outside the box was as close as it got for Thistle in the second period. Baird was quiet but i don't think he gets support up to him quick enough and he gets isolated alot. His first touch was poor at times but maybe that's down to not getting alot of the ball up to him and he was snatching at the odd chance he did get coming his way.. I thought Thistle played ok but were just a bit short in the areas that mattered and Rangers were just too strong on the night and more clinical in front of goal. Very fair assessment from, billko. Had Baird scored from the shot on the turn minutes before he was subbed we'd be talking about a superb move and just perhaps a score draw. Tonight just wasn't to be and the score at the end up didn't flatter Rangers. I've seen enough Under 20s games this season to know that too many players were off the boil particularly in relation to first touches. Even in defeat tho' there's a good few positives can be taken from individual performances Had a bit of time to think about this and I have to say I feel it was wrong to field Fraser. Firstly his availability must be thru some sort of anomaly. If a guy is barred from the 1st team you'd assume he couldn't play for the second team. Secondly the lad must have been walking a tightrope all night. As it was Kyle Hutton looks like he's picked up a serious enough injury. I watched the incident and Fraser was blameless but it'll be reported as "following a tackle by Fraser". Thankfully no hothead Rangers player misread things and went looking for afters. Anyway I think it's daft fielding a central midfielder who's bound to be scared of getting involved. Should've played Wilson or Gallacher from the start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexdepalma Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I was at the game and have the team sheet in front of me, and if i'm right it looks like Sevco are cheating again - Looks like they may have started with 5 over age players instead of the permitted 3. i.e. G'keeper, Simonsen, Kyle Hutton, Barry McKay, Dean Shiels, David Templeton. plse fellow Jags prove that i'm right in my assumption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Fraser's current ban is for the first team only as when he was banned he was part of our first team squad. A bit of an anomoly but there you go. I thought he had a decent enough game overall, especially in the first half. Collina seemed a very good player in the making and we struggled once he and Kerr were removed and we lost the midfield battle. I'm not sure if any of the younger lads are ready for a step-up to the first-team yet, but the majority certainly showed a lot of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I was at the game and have the team sheet in front of me, and if i'm right it looks like Sevco are cheating again - Looks like they may have started with 5 over age players instead of the permitted 3. i.e. G'keeper, Simonsen, Kyle Hutton, Barry McKay, Dean Shiels, David Templeton. plse fellow Jags prove that i'm right in my assumption. McKay is 18 yrs old but the rest are overage. Does it count for goalkeepers? I don't know the rules to be honest. Rules are a bit strange when you see Fraser could play and i was expecting alot more from him in a playing sense. For me Thistle play nice football and it's something i wouldn't be giving up. Hopefully it pays off in the future sticking with this style of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Sounds like we missed the injured Duggan. Possibly an element of the old fear of the OF which seems to affect teams a lot - or maybe just bad day at office? Re playing Fraser. Perhaps we feel we have to as he is on loan and we're supposed to be helping his development so need to play him a decent number of games - even if it's only for the under 20s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I'm sure I heard somewhere that in the rush to merge the SPL and the SFL, they forgot to include the rules about over-age players. That's why you can play them this season. I don't think the former SPL U-20 league allowed over-age players - hence the debate about the pros and cons of having a reserve league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) Re playing Fraser. Perhaps we feel we have to as he is on loan and we're supposed to be helping his development so need to play him a decent number of games - even if it's only for the under 20s. Archie seems keen to extend Fraser's loan and I wouldn't be surprised if he would like to sign him (if that will even be possible in the near future). Reckon that will be why we played him - keep him match fit and useful for when his ban ends. Can't see Bolton taking him back from us in January as he won't be developing much in the U-20 and has only played a handful of first team games this season. Don't think we play guys for the sake of it or simply because they are on loan and we feel compelled to... look at Mukendi! Edited November 27, 2013 by mhs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I know it was 'only' an under 20s match, but it sticks in my craw getting beat by any XI fielded by the Broomielaw Banshee Boardroom Bust-up Undead Necropolis Corpse Corps. Round them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 mhs - fair points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jag Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I heard somewhere that in the rush to merge the SPL and the SFL, they forgot to include the rules about over-age players. That's why you can play them this season. I don't think the former SPL U-20 league allowed over-age players - hence the debate about the pros and cons of having a reserve league. http://spfl.co.uk/sp...s-and-articles/ Page 138 of The Rules of the SPFL "D2 An authorised representative of each Club must provide a written list of the names of up to 18 Players taking part in each Under 20 League Match, including the name(s) of the nominated substitute(s), to the Referee, not less than one hour before the time of kick-off. The list shall indicate the full names, other than Trialists, of Players and shall indicate the colour of the goalkeeper's shirt together with the colour of shirt proposed to be worn by other Players for the Club in the relevant game. The list may include a maximum of two over-age outfield Players, one further over-age outfield Player who had not attained the age of 23 years on or after 31 December in the year prior to the year in which the relevant Season commenced and one over-age goalkeeper." Edited November 27, 2013 by German Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Had a bit of time to think about this and I have to say I feel it was wrong to field Fraser. Firstly his availability must be thru some sort of anomaly. If a guy is barred from the 1st team you'd assume he couldn't play for the second team. Secondly the lad must have been walking a tightrope all night. As it was Kyle Hutton looks like he's picked up a serious enough injury. I watched the incident and Fraser was blameless but it'll be reported as "following a tackle by Fraser". Thankfully no hothead Rangers player misread things and went looking for afters. Anyway I think it's daft fielding a central midfielder who's bound to be scared of getting involved. Should've played Wilson or Gallacher from the start. The lad Fraser was in no way to blame for the Hutton injury and it would only be mischief making if someone were to report this. l thought the lad was very subdued on the pitch and he needs to try and move on and put the madness of that incident behind him. It's a bonus that he can play the 20's games to keep some match sharpness up and he needs to play in these games (imo) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) I was at the game and have the team sheet in front of me, and if i'm right it looks like Sevco are cheating again - Looks like they may have started with 5 over age players instead of the permitted 3. i.e. G'keeper, Simonsen, Kyle Hutton, Barry McKay, Dean Shiels, David Templeton. plse fellow Jags prove that i'm right in my assumption. You are wrong in your assumption. The U20 rules allow for 3 over-age outfield players, 1 over-age goalkeeper and another under 23 outfield player. We could have played a stronger side with more over-age players but chose not to. Edited November 27, 2013 by kni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 The lad Fraser was in no way to blame for the Hutton injury and it would only be mischief making if someone were to report this. l thought the lad was very subdued on the pitch and he needs to try and move on and put the madness of that incident behind him. It's a bonus that he can play the 20's games to keep some match sharpness up and he needs to play in these games (imo) That tho' is my main point. I don't see how the lad can play a central mid or box to box role without being combative and occasionally incurring the wrath of the referee. That just can't happen under the circumstances. It's hardly surprising he was subdued. and this taken courtesy of rangers official website Falling under Gary Fraser’s challenge, he lay on the pitch for over five minutes as he received treatment then was tentatively put on a stretcher and carried off. Anyone there last night knows Gary is totally blameless. But how many more will read that and think otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 You are wrong in your assumption. The U20 rules allow for 3 over-age outfield players, 1 over-age goalkeeper and another under 23 outfield player. We could have played a stronger side with more over-age players but chose not to. Who is we is it us or the team that were playing in blue? Just seeing if you have been converted yet mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Who broke Huttons leg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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