Get Off Your Knees

[MMCF]

I have looked through a wide range of comments regarding today's game.

I have read reports which include the word "fortuitous"

I have even read the comments of our manager, perhaps bound by code and fear of sanctions form the very body who will protect the guilty party/parties.

So, right here, let's pin the lie.

The first goal comes from a hand ball. Two hands in fact.

An illegal act. None of your ball-plays-man crap please.

The referee today made an incompetent decision which changed the course of the game.

Period.

This needs to be challenged.

If not, then its not worth turning up for games which seem to be predetermined.

So Mr Beattie, Mr Maxwell.

If you don't have the gumshen to tell the SFA that the officiating team from today are not welcome at Firhill unless they are seriously sanctioned over this matter then you can have my season ticket for it is not worth the anguish of showing up for a game that has, in the mind of certain individuals, already been decided.

Too often these guys over the years have been getting away with this sort of rubbish.

Time to make a real stand.

Or perhaps "No more cuddly..." is just a load of hot air.

[Richard Nixon]

The referee today made an incompetent decision which changed the course of the game.

Period.

This needs to be challenged.

If not, then its not worth turning up for games which seem to be predetermined.

 

Aye, maybe they'll cancel out that goal and we'll only have lost 1-0 instead.

[Lenziejag]

 

 

Aye, maybe they'll cancel out that goal and we'll only have lost 1-0 instead.

 

Come on. You can't be serious. Goals change games. Look how many times one team is totally in control, for the other team to get a goal and the flow of the game is turned upside down.

 

Yesterday, that "goal" took any wind that we had in our sails out.

[jaf]

We spent the ten minutes after the goal in complete disarray. That was entirely because of the goal. If that goal had not been scored of course the rest of the game would have played out differently.

 

The only player complaining about it to Finnie at final whistle was lawless.

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

I have looked through a wide range of comments regarding today's game.

I have read reports which include the word "fortuitous"

I have even read the comments of our manager, perhaps bound by code and fear of sanctions form the very body who will protect the guilty party/parties.

So, right here, let's pin the lie.

The first goal comes from a hand ball. Two hands in fact.

An illegal act. None of your ball-plays-man crap please.

The referee today made an incompetent decision which changed the course of the game.

Period.

This needs to be challenged.

If not, then its not worth turning up for games which seem to be predetermined.

So Mr Beattie, Mr Maxwell.

If you don't have the gumshen to tell the SFA that the officiating team from today are not welcome at Firhill unless they are seriously sanctioned over this matter then you can have my season ticket for it is not worth the anguish of showing up for a game that has, in the mind of certain individuals, already been decided.

Too often these guys over the years have been getting away with this sort of rubbish.

Time to make a real stand.

Or perhaps "No more cuddly..." is just a load of hot air.

 

I think it would be a worthwhile exercise to do this & also to do it publicly.

 

A certain team from the East End of the city did it to their advantage a couple of years ago so the precedent has been set.

 

As much as we didn't look at the races in the final third & the defending at that point was criminal, ultimately the handball non-decision, missed by all officials but seen by most others in the ground, changed the game.

[The Cup]

McDaid got away with a clearer hand ball before he crossed for Elliott to score at St Mirren Park last season.

I didn't see a thread about it then.

These things happen and to suggest that it robbed us of a point or a win is ridiculous. We could have gone on to lose 0-3.

 

Rather than the players greeting about it and giving up they should have had used the injustice to go and try harder to get back into the game.

 

Don't point the finger at the ref for us being shite, mate.

[wes]

Within 10 minutes of this game starting it was pretty obvious that the ref's decisions favoured Aberdeen, every 50 50 went the Dons way, and there were several questionable decisions (Lindsay's booking, Aberdeen given obstruction decisions while we didn't, being takin in by blatant simulation) From that point on it was pretty predictable that Aberdeen were going to get a serious controversial decision.

The ref did not disappoint.

 

The second goal was a shambles of defending, we had three opportunities to clear the ball and didn't, we only have ourselves to blame for that.

Likewise the way our heads went down after the first goal was wholly unprofessional and showed a clear lack of leadership and lack of a motivator.

 

Neither of those things should take the spotlight away from a bad referee.

 

When you consider that we were totally in the game, whether by luck or a good game plan or a poor Aberdeen.

The moment that first goal was given changed the game.

There were several of our players went to the ref to protest, and the ref's actions told you all you need to know. He gave it the slopey shoulders in the he claimed he didn't see it. The fact that our players surrounded the ref and closed in on him and not once did the ref ask them to stand back or stop or threaten a booking. What does that tell you about the ref - he knows he was wrong, and is deceitful enough to try and cover it up with a questionable excuse. If the ref did not see what everyone in the ground could see clearly, even from a distance, then we have to look at the competence of the referee - was he way out of position, is his eyesight up to standard, did he consult his assistant referees. All of those are simple observations of what to expect from a ref competent to officiate at a Senior football level.

 

This type of deceitful favouritism has gone too far and needs called out. I am with MMCF on this and expect our club to make this visible and publicly ask for explanations. I also expect our club to not accept the usual excuse of refs have a hard job and sometimes make human errors like us all. This ref set out his favouritism from the start and not all his bias can reasonably be down to human error. Time to hold the SFA to account and to get them to bring their heads out the sand.

 

I too am on the verge of giving up on Scottish Football because of this absurdity in defending the undefendable. I can find many better ways to spend my money.

[Lindau]

Sadly it's these decisions that go against you when you are struggling. The decision to send Frans off after 25 minutes at Hamilton after his only two tackles in the game, neither of which was anywhere near vicious or preventing a goal scoring opportunity has set the tone for some awful referring this season

[JeanieD]

Even the manager of Aberdeen saw fit to disagree (albeit slightly qualified) with the refereeing decision for their first goal.

[Winter of '63]

My view has always been that Referees are not generally crooked or biased but they are often scared to give decisions against big teams. In Scotland, a decision against Celtic or Rangers is inevitably reported as controversial and is subject to increased media scrutiny. It's human nature for a Referee to be reluctant to give decisions against them to avoid being the target of criticism and abuse...and having their windows panned in.

 

Aberdeen & Hearts have fairly high media profiles - you only have to listen to Sportsound to realise that. There would have been in depth analysis if a similar handball decision had cost Aberdeen 3 points yesterday and little said if Hamilton had lost after having a player sent off after a stramash.

 

I was sitting at the City End of the JHS and didn't see the incident clearly yesterday but it was obvious from the reactions of the Thistle players that there had been a handball. It reminded me of the handball goal Dundee United scored in a Cup Tie at Firhill a few years ago. I remember our Captain wryly commenting at the time that it was a clear error by the referee but nothing would happen because it was only Partick Thistle. He's now our manager.

 

If we don't find some way of putting pressure on officials we will continue to be on the rough end of decisions.

[Lenziejag]

At the moment Aberdeen are the Rangers in disguise as far as the establishment are concerned in that they need some team who they can put forward as a challenge to Celtic. Therefore they get the decisions to try to ensure that there is a challenge for as long as possible.

[Dick Dastardly]

And if you count the number of errors made by each player it will be about the same as those made by the ref. Get over it. Shit happens.

 

Somedays you are a pigeon and somedays you are a statue

[Willjag]

Just a small point about not consulting his assistant, the ref's and assistants are mic'd up these days. He probably did ask him the question. So not only did the ref not see it, neither, apparently did his assistant! But then, he also thought Rooney was onside!!!

[Woodstock Jag]

Just a small point about not consulting his assistant, the ref's and assistants are mic'd up these days. He probably did ask him the question. So not only did the ref not see it, neither, apparently did his assistant! But then, he also thought Rooney was onside!!!

 

He was onside.

[Willjag]

Yeah, just seen it on the other thread.

[hellas]

And how come we have had beaton and finnie twice already are there not enough refs to go around or something. Bound to be willie collum next.

[angry gaz]

If we don't find some way of putting pressure on officials we will continue to be on the rough end of decisions.

 

Absolutely correct, the perfect example this weekend was the Hamilton players influencing the ref for the Patterson sending off .

How do you think the Aberdeen players would have reacted if that had been our player to handball for a goal, They'd still be standing around the ref just now.

[Blackpool Jags]

The Neilson interview on Radio Scotland last night was 'interesting'. Does anybody really believe Herts "trained all week with 10 men" when they knew Collum would be in charge of their game yesterday? Quite plausible actually.

 

I, personally, genuinely find it quite disturbing that eg Collum and Beaton still apparently receive money for refereeing games of football between any two teams of eleven men, let alone the top tier of the Scottish game. If it was the case that they could legally be subject to incarceration for their performances, I'm sure they'd begin to take things a bit more seriously.

 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

The Neilson interview on Radio Scotland last night was 'interesting'. Does anybody really believe Herts "trained all week with 10 men" when they knew Collum would be in charge of their game yesterday? Quite plausible actually.

 

I, personally, genuinely find it quite disturbing that eg Collum and Beaton still apparently receive money for refereeing games of football between any two teams of eleven men, let alone the top tier of the Scottish game. If it was the case that they could legally be subject to incarceration for their performances, I'm sure they'd begin to take things a bit more seriously.

 

Let alone the latter stages of the Champions League! The Eufa Super Cup Final! It's like making Tony Blair a peace envoy.......... Oh! Hang on

[MMCF]

The Neilson interview on Radio Scotland last night was 'interesting'. Does anybody really believe Herts "trained all week with 10 men" when they knew Collum would be in charge of their game yesterday? Quite plausible actually. I, personally, genuinely find it quite disturbing that eg Collum and Beaton still apparently receive money for refereeing games of football between any two teams of eleven men, let alone the top tier of the Scottish game. If it was the case that they could legally be subject to incarceration for their performances, I'm sure they'd begin to take things a bit more seriously.

 

Ah Yes. Sportscene. That's the programme where one Michael Stewart opined that the Rooney handball was not illegal and even suggested that it was within the rules. The rest of tonight is spent attempting to get said stue-mmer to admit that he talks a load of mince.