Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 See, that was my initial thought until I found out the runs take place over eight days. I assume Gus wanted to be involved on the first day and it had nothing to do with the fact that would be the day the bulk of filming/photography would take place... Well hats off to Gus, I never knew he was both the festival organizer controlling when people attended and also had a side line as a producer on Spanish TV. How he found the time to run I'll never know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Well hats off to Gus, I never knew he was both the festival organizer controlling when people attended and also had a side line as a producer on Spanish TV. Erm, I doubt it would take a genius - and no-one is suggesting Gus is the puppet master - to work out the majority of media coverage would occur on the first day. Come to think of it, why did he choose to start where he did. He wasn't present where the bulls where released, but in the vicinity of film crews and photographers. Handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I have done thanks. I like how you seem to be separating the bull run from them being slaughtered by referring to as the "actual" bull run. It doesn't magically mean that they don't get slaughtered afterwards in a horrific manner afterwards. Shops selling leather and meat don't attempt to get free publicity out of an event which is cruel to animals whereas Greaves have done. If you can't differentiate between the 2 then there's not much point in continuing this. One is hidden (abattoir) the other not. Bottom line, it suits some people to ignore the stress & suffering of animals at an abattoir yet be up in arms about a bull run. If you can separate eating a dead animal and it being killed in an abattoir, then I should be able to separate the bull run and a bull fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_miss_jag Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Over 1 million people go to the festival, the chances of free publicity are highly remote. It's not such a massive leap, visit an abattoir and then feel free to state how this is more humane then the actual bull run. OMG! Are you actually being serious? Really? So you think the man in the abattoir chases the bull around for a while then chases it round in a ring? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LVnyOm5AfU just like an abattoir yeah? Open you eyes and stop kidding yourself on. So what if it was planned, if he was the only guy running the thing, fair enough. But hundreds (maybe thousands?) run it every year. Anyway, the bulls could easily just stand still & say "ah'm no runnin" but they run & do every year, you'd think they'd learn! If it was people chasing the bulls trying to stab them to death it would be just a little different. So because other people do it its ok? And maybe your missing the point - bull fighting is a disgusting sport! Just because he took part in the run not the actual fight or whatever - it's still not appropriate for Greaves to associate Thistle with this barbaric sport!!! God people say this is an over reaction but my god some jags are bunch of bloody muppets! And even then that's me complimenting you! I am glad some people have done their research. If by making people aware you can change one persons opinion then it makes it worth it to stand up and be heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think quite a few of our fans will feel right at home at a Celtic match this coming weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 OMG! Are you actually being serious? Really? So you think the man in the abattoir chases the bull around for a while then chases it round in a ring? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LVnyOm5AfU just like an abattoir yeah? Open you eyes and stop kidding yourself on. So because other people do it its ok? And maybe your missing the point - bull fighting is a disgusting sport! Just because he took part in the run not the actual fight or whatever - it's still not appropriate for Greaves to associate Thistle with this barbaric sport!!! God people say this is an over reaction but my god some jags are bunch of bloody muppets! And even then that's me complimenting you! I am glad some people have done their research. If by making people aware you can change one persons opinion then it makes it worth it to stand up and be heard. My early post separated the bullfight from the bull run. However who is really missing the point or kidding who - see Cattle Abattoir:entire process, (YouTube) but it comes with a warning. Barbaric or not? Not posting it as not wanting to get into a raising game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 im never using this forum again, I went to reply there and an advertisement for 'the best lobster in Glasgow' came up, they get put into boiling water while still alive! screw we are thistle I'll never be back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vom Itorium Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I hear Gus is thinking about heading to Gloucestershire next summer for the annual cheese rolling event to publicise more Jags merchandise. Has he no shame, doesn't he know cheese has feelings too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collins Out! Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I hear Gus is thinking about heading to Gloucestershire next summer for the annual cheese rolling event to publicise more Jags merchandise. Has he no shame, doesn't he know cheese has feelings too? That's it mate, make petty and glib replies when faced with the reality that Greaves used animal cruelty to make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 That's it mate, make petty and glib replies when faced with the reality that Greaves used animal cruelty to make money. Are you one of those people who goes out of their way to be offended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Curious, does animal cruelty extend to all creatures or just the ones people like? I'll ponder on that one while I'm trying to resuscitate the flies on my headlamps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I hear Gus is thinking about heading to Gloucestershire next summer for the annual cheese rolling event to publicise more Jags merchandise. Has he no shame, doesn't he know cheese has feelings too? As long as its not an Airedale he is rolling, it should be ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vom Itorium Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 That's it mate, make petty and glib replies when faced with the reality that Greaves used animal cruelty to make money. No bother. I'm a bit busy just now but I'll be back after my steak and chips... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_miss_jag Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 My early post separated the bullfight from the bull run. However who is really missing the point or kidding who - see Cattle Abattoir:entire process, (YouTube) but it comes with a warning. Barbaric or not? Not posting it as not wanting to get into a raising game. I am not a stupid little girl. I have been vegetarian for 4 years I am well aware of whats involved with murdering of animals. But this thread not about it that - it's about greaves using animal cruelty to promote our new top! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 God people say this is an over reaction but my god some jags are bunch of bloody muppets! And even then that's me complimenting you! Well that nearly had me reaching for the report button. Personally I think the use of that word should have no place on a Jags forum. Perhaps you think it's above board to associate bears with stupidity, eagles as ultra nationalistic right of centre bores and worse of all pigs as sexually frustrated deviants with a carnal penchant for amphibians. In short I find the use of that word degrading to the animals in question and in itself a form of mental cruelty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I don't have a problem with folk on here who oppose the Bull Run and what it stands for etc. However, the way I see is this: The Jags fan in question travels to Pamplona, where he has been before and gets the adrenaline rush/buzz off the run. Afterwards or during the holiday he meets new folk from around the world. I'm not going to judge him or anyone else on what they choose to do on holiday, obviously if they're not breaking the law. In saying that, all runners run the risk of death, it can be very dangerous. Some folk choose to lie in the sun and do nothing on holiday, some go to the Bull Run, some hurl their bodies down a hill in England in that cheese rolling contest and some throw tomatoes at one another. I'm not diverting away from the animal cruelty aspect at all but it's held in another country where it's part of their culture - like it or not. Did Greaves use this as a possible publicity stunt for the strip and the company itself? I don't know, they may well have. Then again Gus could not of been photographed or filmed as much as he was which would mean we wouldn't even be having this conversation. If Greaves were unable to dispatch a new strip to Spain in time then Gus would have worn an older Jags top, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_miss_jag Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Well that nearly had me reaching for the report button. Personally I think the use of that word should have no place on a Jags forum. Perhaps you think it's above board to associate bears with stupidity, eagles as ultra nationalistic right of centre bores and worse of all pigs as sexually frustrated deviants with a carnal penchant for amphibians. In short I find the use of that word degrading to the animals in question and in itself a form of mental cruelty Oh the comedy continues! If only Bull fighting was funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_miss_jag Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 If Greaves were unable to dispatch a new strip to Spain in time then Gus would have worn an older Jags top, simple. And thats fine. I just wouldn't think much of him for doing it. My problem as I have already said is Greaves going out their way to get this guy the top on time for the run. I find that disgusting and so Greaves have lost my custom. If this guy is paraded in front of the crowd as some sort of legend, I will happily stand and boo him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vom Itorium Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Oh the comedy continues! If only Bull fighting was funny! The Yanks find it funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I am not a stupid little girl. I have been vegetarian for 4 years I am well aware of whats involved with murdering of animals. But this thread not about it that - it's about greaves using animal cruelty to promote our new top! I cannot recall seeing anyone calling you a 'stupid little girl', if they did they should be ashamed of themselves. This thread was an is not about Greaves using animal cruelty to promote our new top, it was about a fan who happened to appear in some pictures/videos. The thread was then hijacked 'greaves using animal cruelty to promote our new top' Check the start of the thread, the rest came later. Fell free to add a new thread if you wish in the non football section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Oh the comedy continues! If only Bull fighting was funny! Aw come oan, I dont think anyone is saying it's funny. An over the top reaction from some I reckon but let's not take away from the fact Gus was photographed wearing his Jags top while doing a bull run (as opposed to actual bullfighting) as part of another countries culture...anything more is sheer speculation . Now disagreeing with that culture is fine by me but let's stop blowing this out of proportion...get to greaves and buy the top, you know you want to ...or will your moral stance be held until the away top comes out? Maybe you never intend to buy anything from Greaves again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Fell free to add a new thread if you wish in the non football section. It's a Thistle-related topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott J Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Awesome photo and video - magic bit of exposure for the new top. Wouldn't catch me doing that! What a sanctimonious joyless shower some of the folk are on this site, I genuinely had a wee rush of pride when I saw our top in the middle of the pictures and can't believe folk are trying to make it into a negative thing. Yes - folk can object to bull running etc - absolutely valid argument - but come on - the club needs the publicity and this was great publicity - they don't have to be dragged into the politics of every different opinion. This kind of reaction is the reason everybody walks around on eggshells all the time in case of offending someone. Give it a rest and cheer up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) And thats fine. I would just think that he is a twat for doing it. My problem as I have already said is Greaves going out their way to get this guy the top on time for the run. I find that disgusting and so Greaves have lost my custom. If this guy is paraded in front of the crowd as some sort of legend, I will happily stand and boo him. Simmer down. So he wears a Jags top on holiday, big deal. You have a problem with where he is wearing his strip, fair doos, I can accept that however I'm going to go about judging folk and think any less or more of the guy. Why would he be paraded in front of the support? If someone who attends the Bull Run is somehow entitled to a glorified parade in front of the support then why not do the same for all the Jag fans in the Emergency Services who save lives everyday. No one is going to be paraded and there's no need to call anyone names. Folk in charge of the last forum chucked it because members wouldn't stick to the rules. Edited July 11, 2011 by northernsoul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsfan58 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 In summary: Anti-bullfighting but ok about the bull run. Not comfortable about what goes on in an abattoir, but still eat meat. So I'll still buy from Greaves and the Pie stall. And that is me finished with this aspect of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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