Jagsman Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 do we have one are we expansive enough to maybe move to 3-5-2 atleast the full backs can swap between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 midfield be packed and further support up front rather than the 4-2-1-2-1 that seems to be failing as teams are more savvy to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Personally, I'm going to support Dundee United for the rest of the season, and see where the Jags are at the beginning of the next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy1967 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Personally, I'm going to support Dundee United for the rest of the season, and see where the Jags are at the beginning of the next Are Aberdeen not a safer bet as your safe bet ? Edited November 23, 2013 by Jaggy1967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 A plan B would suggest that Archibald has a plan A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Are Aberdeen not a safer bet as your safe bet ? Nah, they lost today whilst United scored 4, albeit against pretty pish opposition ... Annan are trailing the manky Clyde down in the basement, Arbroath are doing as badly as us two divisions down. Mabye Alloa, sitting midway through the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy1967 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Nah, they lost today whilst United scored 4, albeit against pretty pish opposition ... Annan are trailing the manky Clyde down in the basement, Arbroath are doing as badly as us two divisions down. Mabye Alloa, sitting midway through the Championship. And your point is caller ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Nah, they lost today whilst United scored 4, albeit against pretty pish opposition ... Annan are trailing the manky Clyde down in the basement, Arbroath are doing as badly as us two divisions down. Mabye Alloa, sitting midway through the Championship. You sound like a prospective Sevco glory hunter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 4-2-3-1 is a diverse enough formation, we just don't have the player pool or intelligence to mix sensible, concentrated attacking play with a solid defensive structure. Either there is a complete mentality change from pretty pattern pish or we'll need to turn our back on last season's champions in favour of other options. Where we are in the middle of January, where we will have played a good few winnable home games, will say a lot about whether we need new personnel, and possibly even a manager. But for now we should absolutely give both players and manager the chance to display they can get our season on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 We seem unable to change our style and for me that spells relegation.We should have picked up more points from the first 11 games.But now we are getting well beat.If Archie is to have a decent career as a manager he will need to show that he can turn it around.Some of the fans wont like it but imo we have to become a more defensive team. We are still in a resonable position as 10th imo would have been our target for this season.That is now 4 defeats in a row we need to halt the decline soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 A plan B would suggest that Archibald has a plan A. What do you actually mean by that? Care to elaborate or is that just some sort of sound bite where folk smarter than me know what you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 What do you actually mean by that? Care to elaborate or is that just some sort of sound bite where folk smarter than me know what you mean? In order to have a Plan B he would need to first have worked out his tactics for Plan A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 In order to have a Plan B he would need to first have worked out his tactics for Plan A. Seeing as we have great difficulty scoring goals at the moment, our main plan is not to concede for as long as possible ... Hence, our plan A fell apart after a couple of minutes today ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb1876 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 In order to have a Plan B he would need to first have worked out his tactics for Plan A. I can only assume you were extremely disappointed with the 2nd half of last season plus the first quarter of this season (give or take a result here and there) or that you feel a monkey pushing buttons could have selected the squad and set them up to get the team promoted? I don't mean to pick but Archie is pretty much responsible for the team who have brought us to where we are now, both in terms of promotion and the excellent football right through to the poor run we are experiencing (not signing them all but in setting the team up), plan A is just fine although I absolutely agree we need a few more up our sleeve and to be able to change from plan to plan where required, flummox some of the other rookie (& experienced) managers in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 do we have one are we expansive enough to maybe move to 3-5-2 atleast the full backs can swap between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 midfield be packed and further support up front Personally, I feel this is our only option at the moment and should be played in the cup game. Maybe till we can steady the ship we should become more of a counter attacking team looking to sit back and hit on the break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I can only assume you were extremely disappointed with the 2nd half of last season plus the first quarter of this season (give or take a result here and there) or that you feel a monkey pushing buttons could have selected the squad and set them up to get the team promoted? I don't mean to pick but Archie is pretty much responsible for the team who have brought us to where we are now, both in terms of promotion and the excellent football right through to the poor run we are experiencing (not signing them all but in setting the team up), plan A is just fine although I absolutely agree we need a few more up our sleeve and to be able to change from plan to plan where required, flummox some of the other rookie (& experienced) managers in the league. He kept the momentum going well and he has to be applauded for that but the arse has completely fallen out of that and we're just getting spanked heavily every week. Another heavy loss to Aberdeen and more fans will be getting fed up with the team not even being able to compete. Something that Hearts have been able to do recently. I just hope if Archie does stay then Ross County and Killie stay just as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 In order to have a Plan B he would need to first have worked out his tactics for Plan A. OK. You clearly don't think we have the right manager for the challenge we face this season. I happen to disagree but that's my opinion. No doubt time will tell but most of us I thought were of the opinion a 10th place.finish would be viewed as a success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 He kept the momentum going well and he has to be applauded for that but the arse has completely fallen out of that and we're just getting spanked heavily every week. Another heavy loss to Aberdeen and more fans will be getting fed up with the team not even being able to compete. Something that Hearts have been able to do recently. I just hope if Archie does stay then Ross County and Killie stay just as bad. Can't believe fans after not even half the season played should be fed up with it should Thistle lose to Aberdeen Archie should be commended for the way he sets his team out to play football and if you stick with the team the way the Hearts fans have done things might just turn around. Ross County and Killie might turn things around just as St Mirren did but the same could be said for Thistle and surely after getting the team to the top league and playing a style of football that was great to watch you back the manager and show a bit of trust in him. Staying in the top league is surely the main goal and anything else a bonus so why all the panic just now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) Can't believe fans after not even half the season played should be fed up with it should Thistle lose to Aberdeen Archie should be commended for the way he sets his team out to play football and if you stick with the team the way the Hearts fans have done things might just turn around. Ross County and Killie might turn things around just as St Mirren did but the same could be said for Thistle and surely after getting the team to the top league and playing a style of football that was great to watch you back the manager and show a bit of trust in him. Staying in the top league is surely the main goal and anything else a bonus so why all the panic just now? My fear (and this will be controversial) is Archie is still using Jackies tactics, with out a back up plan, he needs to learn to chop and change according to the oposition and conditions "Horses for courses" to quote Lambie Edited November 24, 2013 by Norgethistle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Can't believe fans after not even half the season played should be fed up with it should Thistle lose to Aberdeen Archie should be commended for the way he sets his team out to play football and if you stick with the team the way the Hearts fans have done things might just turn around. Ross County and Killie might turn things around just as St Mirren did but the same could be said for Thistle and surely after getting the team to the top league and playing a style of football that was great to watch you back the manager and show a bit of trust in him. Staying in the top league is surely the main goal and anything else a bonus so why all the panic just now? Problem is, I think most fans turn out to see their team winning. Doing it with a bit of style is a bonus and we are not managing that often enough this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Problem is, I think most fans turn out to see their team winning. Doing it with a bit of style is a bonus and we are not managing that often enough this season. For those who can't get to away games we haven't done it at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 most of us I thought were of the opinion a 10th place.finish would be viewed as a success. Getting horsed by three, four, five goals most weeks and somehow finishing 10th might be a success, but it's still not going to be a very enjoyable season, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 No it's not very enjoyable but it's not that long ago we were getting horsed that, in the Old Divisions One & Two on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Getting horsed by three, four, five goals most weeks and somehow finishing 10th might be a success, but it's still not going to be a very enjoyable season, is it? No it isn't. Maybe we should've contrived to remain second in Div 1. Lucky old Morton, eh? No it's not very enjoyable but it's not that long ago we were getting horsed that, in the Old Divisions One & Two on occasion. Or just two years ago requiring a replay to horse Culter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I'm really, really failing to understand your point. Are you saying we shouldn't be unhappy because in the past we were much better, and in the past we were much worse? We live in the here and now, and right now Thistle are getting tanned every single game. There doesn't seem much hope that Archie can change things, because he hasn't yet, we keep getting players sent off to further thin out our squad, and we've no money for January anyway. I'd love for us to figure it out, turn round and beat Aberdeen in the cup match, but does anyone think that's a realistic possibility? Should I just not bother going back to Firhill this season - because watching us get beat 3-0 off a shite St Mirren was very grim and made for a horrible weekend - and instead comfort myself with the facts that Morton are even worse, and in 1971 we won a major trophy? "Oh well, things could be worse" is nothing more than a mantra for morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) ^ 13 goals conceded in the last 4 league games should cause everyone great concern. Osborne must be close to a suspension after picking up a few bookings in those games. The big question is whether any of our U20 squad can step up like United's Gauld, Soutar and Robertson. Let's see what Duggan, Colina, Brown etc have to offer. Edited November 24, 2013 by kni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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