Gaucho Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 This might be old news but my pal's just texted to advise that we have the above planning application currently in for a new south stand, flats and parking. I wonder if this is actually the one from a few years ago or is something new on the go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Sure it's £20,000,000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 That's what his text said but then again it does seem a bit extereme. I know times are better than they once were but not sure we're doing THAT well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 £20M seems high. I would guess the entire club's value is't even that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I would guess that the £20m is being underwritten by a developer. The stand will probably cost about £500k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 For 20 mill we could build a beasting new ground just over the canal and use all the profits from the sale of Firhill to win the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 For 20 mill we could build a beasting new ground just over the canal and use all the profits from the sale of Firhill to win the SPFL. Sounds like a plan!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearchar Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 For 20 mill we could build a beasting new ground just over the canal and use all the profits from the sale of Firhill to win the SPFL. Surely you mean "with a world first for a football stadium a built-in water feature" instead of "just over the canal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Surely you mean "with a world first for a football stadium a built-in water feature" instead of "just over the canal". Well the players need somewhere to berth their yachts!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 £20 million does seem a tad excessive. But with other comments above if the club had the opportunity to move to a new stadium near Firhill and build an indoor facility for the club and community I would take that like a shot. Something similar to St Mirrens ground but with a bit more intelligent design i.e. steeper stands, potential for safe standing area like they have in Germany if that is every brought back, different size stands for more atmosphere, protection against cold and wet, better facitlies for food and kids etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 "The new St Mirren Park, as it is known, was built by Barr Construction at a cost of around £8 million" - The Scottish Football Ground Guide How much would the land across the other side of the canal cost? How much is Firhill, on the "right" side of the canal, worth? Why would we spend £20 million on a pishy wee stand and some flats? Sell the land, build a nice wee stadium and proper training facilities, so good players might actually want to come here and stay here, and I don't know, maybe some scouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If there's any truth in the story we won't be spending anywhere near that. But if there are businesses interested in building flats/offices/shopping in the area then they could come in and put up the bulk of the money. Whether that would amount to £20 million I don't know but it's not a matter of what the club can afford - we can't afford much - but whether we can interest businesses with the money to come on board any project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't think the plans ever got off the ground but I was jibbering to Cowan in a pub in Deadstone many moons ago and he was going on about Firhill being worth shedloads more than a patch of land across the canal and that it was a possibility. Done well it would be quality, a more elaborate Almondvale with a sweeping bridge over the nolly, a fans area with bar and beer garden by the water, etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 If it is for £20 million that will possibly be for the cost of the stand, and the projected market (Selling) value of the flats & retail units, but even if the flats are worth £300k each thats alot of flats, perhaps its a high rise we are building to replace the red road flats, what will be the red yellow and black road flats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 A quick check of Glasgow Council's planning portal shows that no planning application has been made in connection with the stadium since 2010. That 2010 application remains pending consideration. In any event, any reference to £20m (even if it relates to this 2010 application and if that application is consented) is irrelevant. What you would be talking about is the development cost and even then, £20m seems wildly excessive for what was proposed. The football club doesn't own the land and has no more than a secondary interest in the development (insofar as it is entitled to a profit share should the cost of any footballing facilities be outweighed by its share of the net profit realised from the completed development). This ship sailed years ago, and we're not on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't think the plans ever got off the ground but I was jibbering to Cowan in a pub in Deadstone many moons ago and he was going on about Firhill being worth shedloads more than a patch of land across the canal and that it was a possibility. Done well it would be quality, a more elaborate Almondvale with a sweeping bridge over the nolly, a fans area with bar and beer garden by the water, etc. Firhill has been my second home and i have many memories there (good and bad), but i love the place, despite it losing some/a lot of its character and charm over the last couple of decades. the last set of plans we had sight of were an abomination, and would further desecrate a once truly great stadium and the aesthetics of it. as stolenscone has just posted as i type this, he has confirmed it is indeed, the 2010 eyesore that is still pending consideration. however, if any further desecration of our hallowed ground is to pass (as opposed to improvement and clawing back some of its special character), then i am of the tilting towards the view of uberteeb and others, where a properly designed stadium within spitting distance of firhill on other side of canal would be best way forward. we should either maximise selling off all of firhill (and thus have biggest possible pot to go to funding a new home, with more possible income streams)), or sell no more of it, stop selling sections bit by bit, and resolve to make it a once great stadium again (and likewise maximise all potential revenue streams). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I should say i don't want to leave Firhill but a move across the nolly is better than building in Dawsholm which was the other place mooted. And of course it's infinitely better than an atheltics bound eggby pitch in Scotstoun...or Broadwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Gold washbasins in the main stand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Gold washbasins in the main stand ? Real meat in the pies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDFA Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Sorry to put a damper on all the excitement about a move to the other side of the canal, but whatever amount could be raised from the sale of Firhill, most of it would have to be spent paying for the re-routing of the overhead power lines that run above that piece of ground... Such re-routing is probably unfeasible in any case. Plus, that ground ain't exactly level... Edited December 6, 2013 by ScottyDFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDFA Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Quite scary to think that Allan Cowan, meticulous as always, was actually considering putting that plan into motion... "Oh Possilpark is wonderful..." Edited December 6, 2013 by ScottyDFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Why would it be so expensive? Would it not be possible just to bury those lines underground? Does that mean nothing will ever be built on that bit of land? You sound like you have some knowledge that's quite interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted December 6, 2013 Members Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Always preferred the Cowlairs option that someone on the old forum put forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Down by the Clyde on the land next to the Kelvin, opposite the transport museum (except that land will be ridiculously expensive these days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Sorry to put a damper on all the excitement about a move to the other side of the canal, but whatever amount could be raised from the sale of Firhill, most of it would have to be spent paying for the re-routing of the overhead power lines that run above that piece of ground... Such re-routing is probably unfeasible in any case. Plus, that ground ain't exactly level... The Famous Canal Slope??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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