potty trained Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I admire you're loyalty to the manager PT but he's signed, coached & picked all these players. So do we blame the players for performing poorly? The manager for coaching them? Or the BoD for sanctioning their signings? One common denominator in all 3... it depends on each persons outlook. This isn't personal to Archie, I'd feel this way regardless of the manager. The buck stops with the players for me. I'd have admiration if the board pulled every one of them in to a meeting and told them, you signed for this manager, you buck up or **** off. There's players here who will give more if they don't want to be part of it. If they don't want to play for the manager, they shouldn't have signed. I don't pay to watch someone who thinks he can turn it on when he feels like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 It looks as if some players are trying to get Archie the sack! If so, they need to be binned! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 it depends on each persons outlook. This isn't personal to Archie, I'd feel this way regardless of the manager. The buck stops with the players for me. I'd have admiration if the board pulled every one of them in to a meeting and told them, you signed for this manager, you buck up or **** off. There's players here who will give more if they don't want to be part of it. If they don't want to play for the manager, they shouldn't have signed. I don't pay to watch someone who thinks he can turn it on when he feels like it. I'm afraid that's not how it works The manger is responsible for the team and their performance He is accountable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Stay. We're having a duo in performance but the rockets with nasty and offence language at Ciry End were embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I'm afraid that's not how it works The manger is responsible for the team and their performance He is accountable Then there's 8 or 9 players he can drop and bring in people who will do their best for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Then there's 8 or 9 players he can drop and bring in people who will do their best for him. He picks the team, the formation , the tactics Managers take the can even if players let them down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Time to go. If he leaves now, it can be done with some dignity. The guy is a Jags legend, so I would hate to see him as a "hanger on" like Ally McCoist was at The Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If we drop into a play off space he should leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Then there's 8 or 9 players he can drop and bring in people who will do their best for him. Is that not what he's been attempting to do over past few weeks? Not to mention that bar Elliot & SOD, he brought the rest of the starting 11 to the club. His team, his coaching, his tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 It looks as if some players are trying to get Archie the sack! If so, they need to be binned! This is how it reads to me, is there a dressing room backlash about McMillan, as this is when the performances and desire left us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I admire you're loyalty to the manager PT but he's signed, coached & picked all these players. So do we blame the players for performing poorly? The manager for coaching them? Or the BoD for sanctioning their signings? One common denominator in all 3... I feel you can actually blame the Manager and the players and Scott Paterson - he deserves some criticism as well and can he please stop writing drivel about how the players are back up for it after the Dundee game.As for the board - well sometimes I get the impression some of them are sometimes more preoccupied at deciding their next holiday than what is going on at the club 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Archie needs to get us back to our passing game of last season and the first part of this season. That was paying off for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 This is how it reads to me, is there a dressing room backlash about McMillan, as this is when the performances and desire left us. I am with you on this one. Everything started going tits up after McMillangate (bar the Hamilton game) pretty sure there is something else going on here and it's affected certain players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) This is how it reads to me, is there a dressing room backlash about McMillan, as this is when the performances and desire left us. If that's the case, let's just play the under 21's for the remainder. Better to get relegated with players who actually want to play for the club. It would be no more pathetic or embarrasing than what we witnessed today. I am not watching a bunch of *rseholes who are actively undermining their manager for the rest of the season. And Billy Bigtime d*ckheads who think they can do better can impress prospective clubs from the training ground. But will we get any kind of honest information from the club as to the reasons for our awful collapse in form? Edited February 21, 2015 by Richard Nixon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I am with you on this one. Everything started going tits up after McMillangate (bar the Hamilton game) pretty sure there is something else going on here and it's affected certain players To be honest chaps this is speculation that's at best self serving There is mo evidence McMillan has anything to do with our slump It's neat but not proven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If Archie has lost the dressing room then he has to go and so do the prima donna players who don't want to play for him. None of them are bigger than the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 To be honest chaps this is speculation that's at best self serving There is mo evidence McMillan has anything to do with our slump It's neat but not proven So what is? Is Archibald just a shite manager who has been fooling everyone for two years? I don't believe that. How many times have we witnessed his teams go out with fight and desire? That is what has completely evaporated recently. It's all the same players. I honestly don't believe the team has collapsed just because the starting line-up changes. I wouldn't take that excuse from under 12's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's the manager....simples It happens look at mcall at Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 To be honest chaps this is speculation that's at best self serving There is mo evidence McMillan has anything to do with our slump It's neat but not proven Agreed, but our slump has coincided exactly with the McMillan incident. Were more players involved?. Has it split the dressing room? Players backing Jordan and others not. It doesn't take much for dressing rooms to be divided and the way our form has slumped makes me think the whole episode has damaged the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Didn't the poster Ian Mac say previously that AA's authority was challenged over Christmas by certain players? After today it looks like it could still be going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's the manager....simples It happens look at mcall at Motherwell But as you know, you were saying this at the exact same time last year and we stayed up. Not for a minute am I saying that will happen this season, but it's pointless changing the manager now and as you well know, it's not gonna happen barring Archie himself resigning and even if that happened I would imagine Paterson would take over for the rest of the season. If we go down, he should be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 So what is? Is Archibald just a shite manager who has been fooling everyone for two years? I don't believe that. How many times have we witnessed his teams go out with fight and desire? That is what has completely evaporated recently. It's all the same players. I honestly don't believe the team has collapsed just because the starting line-up changes. I wouldn't take that excuse from under 12's! He signed most of the players Dick. Then there's Elliot who wasn't a regular starter until recently. No excuses even there. As for not going out with fight & desire... How many last 5 minute goals have we conceded under him? Where's the fight & desire to hold into leads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) So what is? Is Archibald just a shite manager who has been fooling everyone for two years? I don't believe that. How many times have we witnessed his teams go out with fight and desire? That is what has completely evaporated recently. It's all the same players. I honestly don't believe the team has collapsed just because the starting line-up changes. I wouldn't take that excuse from under 12's! I don't know why either Tricky? Perhaps it's a case of a (few) rotten apples spoiling the barrell, Archie has to get it sorted out ASAP or the games well and truly up. What has to be faced is that this is the team that Archie has built, good or bad, it's a his own creation, so he is the author of his own misfortune. Edited February 21, 2015 by AndyMac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy1967 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) It's the manager....simples It happens look at mcall at Motherwell Not agreeing as I want Archie to succeed but Butcher at dare i say it .. Hibs Edited February 21, 2015 by Jaggy1967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Didn't the poster Ian Mac say previously that AA's authority was challenged over Christmas by certain players? After today it looks like it could still be going on. IF TRUE, The players challenging his authority can keep up their fitness on their own time and find other clubs as soon as they are able. Archibald can play people who actually want to play for him. I'll take commitment in the Championship rather than insurrection in the top league. If anyone doesn't want Archibald as manager fair enough, but why would you support players who are actively not playing for him - which means THEY'RE NOT PLAYING FOR US?!?! The sad b*stards who pay their wages!!! What guarantee would you have they will play for anyone else? Hell mend the lot of them. Edited February 21, 2015 by Richard Nixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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