Barney Rubble Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 When was the last time two Thistle players came off the bench to score? It may not be the last time it happened, but didn't Ian Cameron and Roddy Grant both come off the bench to score v Albion Rovers in THAT game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Can we have a Doolan total goals update as well please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 That's a great stat on the fewest no of goals conceded in 1st 100 games. Considering some of the stick Archibald and Patterson took about defenders not being able to coach the team to defend. Here's hoping they can continue to break records in charge of Thistle 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) That's a great stat on the fewest no of goals conceded in 1st 100 games. Considering some of the stick Archibald and Patterson took about defenders not being able to coach the team to defend. Here's hoping they can continue to break records in charge of Thistle 1st 50 since coming back up - 81 conceded (1.62 per game) 2nd 50 - 56 conceded (1.12 per game) That's a major improvement which underlines your point. Edited February 24, 2016 by Barney Rubble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Can we have a Doolan total goals update as well please? I can do that. 83 competitive goals. Equal with Doug Somner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 How many in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 How many in the league? I defer to TJR !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 When was the last time two Thistle players came off the bench to score? It may not be the last time it happened, but didn't Ian Cameron and Roddy Grant both come off the bench to score v Albion Rovers in THAT game? Cammy started that night Barney, so that wasn't an occurrence. Funnily enough, I think the very first occurrence was just a few weeks earlier in an 8-3 friendly victory over the wonderfully named Ballyclare Comrades, with Alex Taylor and Isaac English each netting as subs. That said, I've got my eye on that 10-1 victory down at Tarff Rovers in August 1990 for which I don't have line ups / subs info, so an air of doubt remains as to the first time. Last happened when we last scored a penalty, yep, THAT long! 27.07.2014 Glentoran [a] W3-1 (Friendly) Kris Doolan (1-0, 34 mins); Gary Fraser (2-1, 81 mins); Kallum Higginbotham (3-1, pen 86 mins) Last occurrence in competitive action: 27.08.2013 Cowdenbeath [h] W3-1 (League Cup 2nd Round) Christie Elliott (1-0, 92 mins); Steven Lawless (2-1, 103 mins); Aaron Muirhead (3-1, pen 114 mins) ^ Subs in bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Dools fastest goal from a sub ever? Timed at 43 seconds, wow! Who knows if it's fastest? These things are always a tricky business. First candidate I can see is Stephane Bonnes who came on in the 83rd minute and scored in the 84th in a match 12 years ago: 07.02.2004 Hamilton Academical [h] W5-1 (Scottish Cup 4th Round) Jamie Mitchell (1-0, 40 mins); Gerry Britton (2-0, 54 mins); Gerry Britton (3-0, 62 mins); John Paul McBride (4-0, 81 mins); Stephane Bonnes (5-0, 84 mins) Anyone got the footage and a stopwatch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Oh, and as a footnote to Sivad's question... Jaggy factoid # 7965 On 23rd February 2016, Kris Doolan and David Amoo became the first goal scoring substitutes duo for Partick Thistle in the top-flight, when both players netted in a 2-0 victory at home to St Johnstone. Even more remarkable was the timing of the first, scored in the 71st minute, just 43 seconds after Doolan had entered the field. Amoo was no slouch either, scoring in the 87th minute, just 7 minutes after coming on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Very interesting stats there. When Sebo, Freddie and Thomas came over to the fans at the end of the St J. match I was thinking about my own personal favourite defensive trio of Rough. Campbell and Anderson under Bertie. Didn't think I'd ever see anything as good as them again but these current guys could be up there. Edited February 25, 2016 by angry gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Very interesting stats there. When Sebo, Freddie and Thomas came over to the fans at the end of the St J. match I was thinking about my own personal defensive trio of Rough. Campbell and Anderson under Bertie. Didn't think I'd ever see anything as good as them again but these current guys could be up there. That's very esteemed company your are considering putting the current players alongside. It would be terrific if they do make it to that kind of status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Can we have a Doolan total goals update as well please? Your believability guide for these charts In their defence I can say that each and every goal is justified and accounted for with a decent source. Going against them is the fact that several hundred goals remain unaccredited and could yet affect totals. Also, there have been many dilemmas served up over the years due to contradictory reports. All I can say is, each and every goal is considered as carefully as possible with a common sense approach based on balance of probability, with 50-50s siding with the Official History Book. I have looked at thousands of match reports in their compilation but, even now, I know that much more can, and will, be done. The charts are compiled to the very best of my current knowledge and I retain at all times an open-minded policy of applying improved information. Since I last posted these on 5 January 2015 there have been several single goal adjustments (as detailed in the first posted chart). All Goals Total – Player (first goal to last goal) [competitive + friendly] +- goals since 5th Jan 2015 237 – Willie Sharp (26.09.1939 to 10.11.1956) [226 + 11] 216 – Willie Paul (31.01.1885 to 23.02.1901) [125 + 91] +1 132 – George Smith (21.08.1954 to 30.09.1963) [126 + 6] 125 – Jimmy Walker (26.04.1947 to 21.11.1953) [121 + 4] 117 – John Torbet (29.09.1924 to 22.04.1933) [111 + 6] 114 – Peter McKennan (04.09.1935 to 25.10.1947) [112 + 2] 112 – Davie McParland (06.03.1954 to 04.11.1967) [108 + 4] -1 105 – Willie Newall (16.09.1939 to 03.03.1945) [100 + 5] 101 – Dougie Somner (14.12.1974 to 07.05.1979) [83 + 18] 100 – John Wallace (09.05.1936 to 18.05.1940) [97 + 3] 99 – Neil Harris (23.08.1913 to 14.04.1920) [94 + 5] +1 97 – Davie Ness (24.09.1923 to 11.08.1934) [96 + 1] 96 – Sandy Hair (01.09.1923 to 20.10.1928) [96 + 0] -1 95 – Sam Kennedy (16.08.1902 to 27.03.1909) [91 + 4] 90 – Denis McQuade (08.08.1970 to 04.08.1978) [76 + 14] 90 – John Simpson (10.11.1928 to 20.04.1932) [69 + 21] 90 – Alex Wright (29.10.1949 to 25.03.1961) [81 + 9] 89 – Johnny Ballantyne (17.12.1921 to 02.03.1935) [76 + 13] 89 – Kris Doolan (24.01.2009 to 23.02.2016) [83 + 6] +14 86 – Jimmy Bone (27.07.1968 to 22.01.1972) [73 + 13] 83 – Tommy Ewing (05.11.1955 to 06.04.1966) [80 + 3] -1 83 – Alex Stott (19.11.1949 to 25.04.1953) [79 + 4] 80 – Frank Coulston (07.10.1967 to 12.10.1974) [76 + 4] Doolan: risen from joint-23rd to joint-18th in the "All Goals" chart since 5th Jan 2015. Competitive Goals Total – Player 226 – Willie Sharp 126 – George Smith 125 – Willie Paul 121 – Jimmy Walker 112 – Peter McKennan 111 – John Torbet 108 – Davie McParland 100 – Willie Newall 97 – John Wallace 96 – Sandy Hair 96 – Davie Ness 94 – Neil Harris 91 – Sam Kennedy 83 – Dougie Somner 83 – Kris Doolan 81 – Alex Wright 80 – Tommy Ewing 79 – Alex Stott 76 – Johnny Ballantyne 76 – Frank Coulston 76 – Denis McQuade Doolan: risen from joint-23rd to joint-14th in the "Competitive Goals" chart since 5th Jan 2015. League Goals Total – Player note: in the interests of fairness to players of every era, I include all of the primary League campaigns, 1891-92 to date, extraordinarily including the two pre-SFL Alliance seasons and the seven Regional League seasons from WWII time which are usually ignored by statiscal databases. In line with the general historian consensus, I deem the 5 SFL games from the abandoned competition of 1939/40 to be voided and do not include them. 170 – Willie Sharp 91 – John Torbet 84 – John Wallace 82 – Willie Paul 82 – Neil Harris 82 – Peter McKennan 82 – Willie Newall 78 – George Smith 77 – Sandy Hair 75 – Davie Ness 75 - Kris Doolan 74 – Jimmy Walker 72 – Davie McParland 72 – Sam Kennedy 65 – Johnny Ballantyne 61 – John Bowie 61 – Dougie Somner Doolan: risen from joint-16th to joint-10th in the "League Goals" chart since 5th Jan 2015. SFL / SPL / SPFL Goals Total - Player This should be the most accurate of the four scoring charts, with every League goal being accounted for. 91 - John Torbet 90 - Willie Sharp 82 - Neil Harris 78 - George Smith 77 - John Wallace 77 - Sandy Hair 76 - Peter McKennan 75 - Davie Ness 75 - Kris Doolan 74 - Jimmy Walker 72 - Davie McParland 72 - Sam Kennedy 71 - Willie Paul 65 - Johnny Ballantyne 61 - John Bowie 61 - Dougie Somner Doolan: currently joint-8th in this table. Edited February 25, 2016 by The Jukebox Rebel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Fantastic stuff, TJR. Those top two Willies will surely never be bettered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Easily the highest goal scorer in my 30 odd years watching Thistle, by any measure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Earl of Hathaway Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I know this is a bit off-message, but what was Dools' scoring record like for Auchinleck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 So in terms of league goals, only George Smith is ahead of him and still with us (I believe he is, apologies if not)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfaelivi Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 George is indeed still with us and a remarkable specimen of a man. He will be 80 on 1st June and being a non drinker and smoker would easily pass for somebody 25 years younger. I bumped into him through the golf not long ago and he looks fantastic for his years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 ^ That’s great to hear! George was “the scourge of the Celts” and scored 17 League and Cup goals for Thistle against them, more than any other Jag in history. I wonder if he kens? If no’ tell him the next time you see him! But aye, Dools is on his tail for the League accolade, now just 3 behind with his tally. Cheers Ancipital, we can keep our eye on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted February 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 We all know that Archie and Shaggy have the undisputed points-per-game greatest tally ever seen in the Second Tier, and set a club-record points total (78) in 2012-13, but how are they doing after 100 games in the no-mercy Top Flight arena? The following table could perhaps be viewed as skewed since the “old guard” are favoured by virtue of having played in bigger, and therefore easier, Leagues. Despite this, it’s astonishing to note that Archie and Shaggy’s Jags emerge with the best record on three counts, as well as having set 3 further top-flight table records in their 2 completed campaigns… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 TJR. I hope that you have a stat for the highest number of goals scored in a season by players with a double O in their surname. Is there any other letter combination that facilitates vowel multiplication in proportion to successful performance? eg DOOOOOOOOOOLAN, AMOOOOOOOOOO etc. Only one that springs to mind is GERREEEEEEEEEE Britton. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Not sure if I can expect you to have a stat for this one, as it involves players for the team opposing Thistle. I can remember our away game v Motherwell in the autumn of 2003. 2-2 draw which, correct me if I am wrong, was Gerry Collins' second and last point as Thistle manager. James McFadden scored for Motherwell (and promptly signed for Everton the next day) while Stephen Pearson was sent off for assaulting Grant Murray. The likelihood is that both these players might face Thistle again in the equivalent fixture 13 years later. Is there any comparable example of appearances v Thistle by more than one player in the same fixture covering such a long period? Indeed the stat might be even more remarkable as no doubt both McFadden and Pearson played against Thistle in earlier games thus extending the period covered. Also it might be that either or both of Keith Lasley or Stevie Hammill were playing against us too away back then. No current Thistle player gets anywhere near matching such longevity. Bring back Jean Yves Anis, I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 TJR. I hope that you have a stat for the highest number of goals scored in a season by players with a double O in their surname. Is there any other letter combination that facilitates vowel multiplication in proportion to successful performance? eg DOOOOOOOOOOLAN, AMOOOOOOOOOO etc. Only one that springs to mind is GERREEEEEEEEEE Britton. RODEEEEEEE Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Here's hoping that Callum BOOOOOOOOOOTH and (stretching it a bit) MOOOOOOOOOOSTAPHA DOOOOOOOOOOMBUYA start knocking them in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Robert DUNNNNNNNNNNN, back when we were abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.