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6 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

"was due to human error by a match official". Whenever a club fields an illegible player that's inevitably due to a mistake being made. Strange how the SFA/SPFL react so differently to those human errors.

Should've gone to Specsavers!

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I don’t know what people were expecting ? Yes the officials cocked up, but is it any worse than not giving a stonewall penalty, or sending someone off for a good tackle, or not giving a goal which clearly was. A game would not be replayed, or compensation given, for any of the above, which are arguably worse. 

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37 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I don’t know what people were expecting ? Yes the officials cocked up, but is it any worse than not giving a stonewall penalty, or sending someone off for a good tackle, or not giving a goal which clearly was. A game would not be replayed, or compensation given, for any of the above, which are arguably worse. 

Like when Storey was pole axed in box vs Celtic and no pen given (had we equalised that point would have been vital at seasons end) or when Docherty was wrongly sent off vs Kelty or Doolans ghost ‘goal’. (Just top of head stuff).  The list goes on not only with on field injustices but off field too over the years and thats why I personally get frustrated as show me another team in Scotland who gets shafted as much.  

Decisions in play off final inc pen shoot out end, Covid relegation with game in hand, 10,000 seater fiasco etc

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50 minutes ago, elevenone said:

Like when Storey was pole axed in box vs Celtic and no pen given (had we equalised that point would have been vital at seasons end) or when Docherty was wrongly sent off vs Kelty or Doolans ghost ‘goal’. (Just top of head stuff).  The list goes on not only with on field injustices but off field too over the years and thats why I personally get frustrated as show me another team in Scotland who gets shafted as much.  

Decisions in play off final inc pen shoot out end, Covid relegation with game in hand, 10,000 seater fiasco etc

I will bet that any fan of any team in Scotland, probably the world, will give a similar list of injustices. You don’t notice so closely when it isn’t your team 

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33 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I will bet that any fan of any team in Scotland, probably the world, will give a similar list of injustices. You don’t notice so closely when it isn’t your team 

We will have to agree to disagree on that one esp chucking in the covid relegation and stadium fiasco.  But onto the new league season we go (and match thread)*
 

*just kidding 😇

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2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I don’t know what people were expecting ? Yes the officials cocked up, but is it any worse than not giving a stonewall penalty, or sending someone off for a good tackle, or not giving a goal which clearly was. A game would not be replayed, or compensation given, for any of the above, which are arguably worse. 

I don't get then the comparison to an official not giving a decision during play. Decisions during play are reactionary, split second and open to interpretation based on the officials view. Its also not uncommon for an official to have to make that sort of decision.

On Sundays events it wasn't a decision that required to be made in split second as the 4th official and any of the refereeing team could have checked who was present on the bench much earlier and as the ball was out of play they could have paused the game to resolve the matter. It wasn't really open to interpretation as simple check of the correct information source would have clarified the matter.

I genuinely cannot think of another time in any game where a team has been prevented from making a sub so to say the least its not a common occurrence. Surely the human reaction in such rare events is to assume you must have it wrong, doublecheck that you have the correct information or at least ask the referee to stop the game whilst you recheck the information. Instead of which the 4th officials view was that the entirety of the Thistle coaching staff had got it wrong. 

I never thought a replay was a real or fair ask but a an explanation of events should be a minimum. All we have is the statement from Thistle saying the SFA are blaming the officials. So there is currently no public explanation of events. If we compare this to the amount of explanation the SFA gave to an offside call in an old firm game that had already been checked by VAR then it does appear that we have been patted on the head and told to p@ss off. 

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5 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I don’t know what people were expecting ? Yes the officials cocked up, but is it any worse than not giving a stonewall penalty, or sending someone off for a good tackle, or not giving a goal which clearly was. A game would not be replayed, or compensation given, for any of the above, which are arguably worse. 

While I agree that I don't know how people expected this to go other than "sorry, not sorry" from the governing bodies, it's a team sheet administration error, not an on-field decision. More comparable would be, if we didn't register a player properly or played someone not listed on the team sheet and won, we'd have been punted from the competition and likely fined. 

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On 7/31/2024 at 12:37 PM, laukat said:

I don't get then the comparison to an official not giving a decision during play. Decisions during play are reactionary, split second and open to interpretation based on the officials view. Its also not uncommon for an official to have to make that sort of decision.

On Sundays events it wasn't a decision that required to be made in split second as the 4th official and any of the refereeing team could have checked who was present on the bench much earlier and as the ball was out of play they could have paused the game to resolve the matter. It wasn't really open to interpretation as simple check of the correct information source would have clarified the matter.

I genuinely cannot think of another time in any game where a team has been prevented from making a sub so to say the least its not a common occurrence. Surely the human reaction in such rare events is to assume you must have it wrong, doublecheck that you have the correct information or at least ask the referee to stop the game whilst you recheck the information. Instead of which the 4th officials view was that the entirety of the Thistle coaching staff had got it wrong. 

I never thought a replay was a real or fair ask but a an explanation of events should be a minimum. All we have is the statement from Thistle saying the SFA are blaming the officials. So there is currently no public explanation of events. If we compare this to the amount of explanation the SFA gave to an offside call in an old firm game that had already been checked by VAR then it does appear that we have been patted on the head and told to p@ss off. 

This. (Out of likes.)

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1 hour ago, elevenone said:

St Mirren booted out of Trust Trophy and fined for fielding ineligible player midweek.  SFA quick to punish clubs but no action when they mess up.  Make no mistake we would have met same fate last Sunday had we been in the wrong.

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-spfl-trust-trophy-r1

Surely it was just human error so thought the SPFL would just go for the "nothing to see here, move on" line.

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