Pie Of The Month Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Is this source by any chance Dundee Mad or Pie and Bovril? Everything appears on here not long after it's on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Any sale of Harkins will trigger the 25% sell on clause, wonder what they will do to avoid paying this? Find it unlikely this money will be easy to get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Is this source by any chance Dundee Mad or Pie and Bovril? Everything appears on here not long after it's on there. And where do you think they're getting their info from? Thin air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 And where do you think they're getting their info from? Thin air? Evidently so since McMenamin was released when these sources were saying he was staying earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Evidently so since McMenamin was released when these sources were saying he was staying earlier. Oooooooooh..."evidently so". I'm sure a few things will be picked up incorrectly, but everything else I've been fed has been true up to McMenamin, even the sacking of the kit man, which I failed to mention earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Must be great to be the man in the know giving the scoop to us mere mortals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Well, my source was wrong on at least one front. McMenamin's contract has been terminated, too. How much is left in the Jags Trust kitty? Or perhaps, since the JT dipped its hand in it's pocket to fund the loan signing of BMMMH, the board could reciprocate and show the JT and the wider club support that "we are all in this together" and fund the signing of McMenamin for the rest of the season through their own means? (PDQ before any other club nips in and gets him). If league reorganisation is to happen at end of this season as strongly rumoured, we want look at getting ourselves as high up the league as possible, and such a gesture from a board member (or group of them) could lead to a better relationship between the boardroom and the support, increasing attendances, CF contributions and other financial input into the club - or at least they would put themselves in a stronger position to justificably call for our increased numerical and financial support, and not be ridiculed or rubbished for it. Any sale of Harkins will trigger the 25% sell on clause, wonder what they will do to avoid paying this? Find it unlikely this money will be easy to get! That's what I'm fearing. Can see Dundee doing almost anything to avoid paying us any decent cut of a Harkins fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Must be great to be the man in the know giving the scoop to us mere mortals I don't think I've ever adopted that attitude, Grant. Perhaps mine was a strong reaction to the validity of source being questioned, but you'll be able to empathise with those who type without thinking. I can't legislate for your feelings of inadequacy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 What I have lifted from Dundee Mad, though, is the news that former Thistle speed merchant Barry Smith has been appointed manager and will be assisted by Rab Douglas and Matt Lockwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Any sale of Harkins will trigger the 25% sell on clause, wonder what they will do to avoid paying this? Find it unlikely this money will be easy to get! Ive no idea about the ins and outs of the situation but can they use being in administration as an excuse to avoid paying us 25%. There was rumours that Inverness want to sign him now, again with the administraion situation i can see the waters being very murky and seriously wonder if we will end up getting nowt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Paul McHale revealed 12 people have lost their jobs during his Courier interview. Brannan and Melville should be there to apologise personally to each and every one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Ive no idea about the ins and outs of the situation but can they use being in administration as an excuse to avoid paying us 25%. There was rumours that Inverness want to sign him now, again with the administraion situation i can see the waters being very murky and seriously wonder if we will end up getting nowt The only thing we can hope for is that the SFL take a dim view on them not honouring all football debts. They might be pressured into paying us (and Livi if they have a sell on fee for Griffiths) what we're owed by the threat of an even harsher punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 It also appears Dundee's chiefe executive has been in contact with a few fans to confirm the following are being retained: Douglas, Irvine, Weston, Harkins, Griffiths, Benedictus, Riley, Higgins, Forsyth, O'Donnell McKeown and Witeveen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchanan 9 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Witteveen was only on loan and he, like Adams and Misun have apparently been sent back to their parent clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 It depends on whether they end up in Admin or Liquidation. If Admin, Dundee can't come out until football debts are settled in full (ie pay the lot or come to an agreement with us). If it is Liquidation, we become just one of the creditors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted October 15, 2010 Members Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 A club heading for relegation adrift at the bottom of the league could be advised to go into admin say in Feb/Mar. Any points reduction would be academic and they'd start the next season afresh. No punishment at all. Use a cut off date then? If they go into administration before the end of the January transfer window, the points come off that season. If they go bust after the window, points deducted the following season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 It also appears Dundee's chiefe executive has been in contact with a few fans to confirm the following are being retained: Douglas, Irvine, Weston, Harkins, Griffiths, Benedictus, Riley, Higgins, Forsyth, O'Donnell McKeown and Witeveen. Smith must be staying as he is assistant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 <snip> That's what I'm fearing. Can see Dundee doing almost anything to avoid paying us any decent cut of a Harkins fee. How about this, a Club come in for Harkins offering £150k, Dundee say "How about taking [a youth, a low level or a shite player]for £150k and we'll throw Harkins in for free?"...can they get away with doing something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Given the strengh of team they are left with anything less than a 20 point deduction will be an utter joke. Dont hold out much hope for the blazers at the SFL to realise that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Smith must be staying as he is assistant Smith and Lockwood are part of the new managerial team along with Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Those who have lost their jobs: Mickael Antoine-Curier, Eric Paton, Dominic Shimmin, Njazi Kuqi, Paul McHale, Scott Fox, Colin McMenamin, Charlie Grant and Brian Kerr, plus youth coach John Holt and kit-man Neil Cosgrove. The futures of on-loan players Milan Misun, David Witteveen, Jamie Adams and Scott Findlay are unclear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Smith must be staying as he is assistant I don't think Smith was there to begin with. Was he not at Brechin? As I read it if relatively hign earners (Griffiths & Harkins) are staying then logically extra players will be getting released to compensate. I can see the administrator's reasoning, and I suppose it could be beneficial to us (re Harkins sell on), but that's a nasty situation. I can imagine both Harkins & Griffiths may be hoping for a breach of contract get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I don't think Smith was there to begin with. Was he not at Brechin? Brechin on loan. He was/is part of Dundee's coaching staff. Link to official list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeisimportant Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 This must be absolutely awful for Dundee supporters, I have a degree of sympathy for them. And how much do I wish that football in reality was more like football manager in terms of having the cash to sign free agents. Add Shimmin, McMenamin and Antoine-Curier to our bunch and we'd be laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honved Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 (edited) So that looks like thirteen first team players plus whoever else needs brought in from the youth set up to make a fifteen man squad for tomorrow, assuming Gibson stays out on loan. Edited October 15, 2010 by honved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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