gianlucatoni Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Rangers in crisis: SFL insider reveals 20 clubs could go to the wall if they don't accept newco into their ranks ... so screams the headline in the daily rangers record today with objective quotes from the EBT champion walter 'walk away' smith http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/02/rangers-in-crisis-sfl-insider-reveals-20-clubs-could-go-the-wall-if-they-don-t-accept-newco-into-their-ranks-86908-23903342/ interesting to read that both stenny and alloa sensibly lobbying for the SFL meeting tomorrow cancelled until they see what's happening with the SPL on wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beep0608 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 when things get this desperate they're already laughable... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/02/rangers-in-crisis-sfl-insider-reveals-20-clubs-could-go-the-wall-if-they-don-t-accept-newco-into-their-ranks-86908-23903342/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 I actually don't think the article is bad. It starts off with the normal scaremongering and bullying from the defunct h u n s and their supporters, but then states the immorality of letting them into the SFL. A decent enough summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 It could easily be summed up by the well known play ground phrase: if yer maw had baws... No shoite Sherlock. If every SFL club lost 60K, some of them might be in trouble. Thanks. Insightful stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) I actually don't think the article is bad. It starts off with the normal scaremongering and bullying from the defunct h u n s and their supporters, but then states the immorality of letting them into the SFL. A decent enough summary. No it actually uses the common journo trick of putting the 'honest' stuff down at the bottom so it isn't read or is only read after all the lies have been absorbed first and overwhelm your average reader who goes away with the impression the lies must be the truth because they filled up the main space (or at least the space they bother to read) - and the headline. So the journo claims he has been 'even-handed' when in fact he ought to have been pointing out that none of the guff Smith and the football authorities have been coming out with are true or at best wildly exaggerated. EDIT: Actually given that, on re-reading it the bit at the bottom does have some very good points in it - if they'd made that more prominent it would have been a decent article. Edited July 2, 2012 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 No it actually uses the common journo trick of putting the 'honest' stuff very briefly and down at the bottom so it isn't read or is only read after all the lies have been absorbed first and overhwelm your average reader who goes away with the impression the lies must be the truth because they filled up so much space. Never a truer word spoken actually I think you're talking a load of shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Merge with the discussion this thread - http://www.wearethistle.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/6090-desperate-record/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Should the headline not read 20stone journalist out a job if Rangers go out the game, him and chic better start taking "the knowledge" as when rangers eventually die their careers will too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Nobody has any excuses to buy a newspaper in this day and age unless they are an old duffer who cannot work a computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Nobody has any excuses to buy a newspaper in this day and age unless they are an old duffer who cannot work a computer. Hey! I'm an old duffer and I can work a computer! I work it all day, I work it all night i go to the ... oh sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If you think yesterdays was bad have a look at todays!! Cant find a link to the story but they are reporting that the SPHell clubs might have a change of heart and allow them into SPHell. Scottish football is dead in the water if this happens!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/03/rangers-in-crisis-breakaway-group-of-spl-chiefs-hold-secret-talks-to-keep-ibrox-newco-in-the-top-flight-86908-23903744/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/03/rangers-in-crisis-breakaway-group-of-spl-chiefs-hold-secret-talks-to-keep-ibrox-newco-in-the-top-flight-86908-23903744/ But no play-offs or additional income for the 1st division. Just confirming what we all knew, they don't give a monkeys about clubs outwith the SPL. It's no surprise, just makes the proposals they are trying to force upon us ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Motherwell, Dundee United and Kilmarnock could all go to the wall? Why would they care? They can come back to the spl as a newco anyway! Edited July 3, 2012 by Alan Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) http://www.dailyreco...86908-23903744/ the last desperate throw of the dice from traynor - worried that his wee awaydays with nice lunches to ikea-ibollox are in jeopardy! Edited July 3, 2012 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If I was the SFL I would be saying Div 3 or nothing , sort out yer own mess. From the soundbytes from Turnbull Hutton on his way into the meeting it could be a cracker to listen in to , comments about being lied to , corruption and bullying. Just the words that need to be said to that bunch of ******s running the SPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerr Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 And imagine my surprise when I read that the SPL might go to a secret ballot. This is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Scare mongering journalism at it's very best by James Traynor. I can only imagine the fans of the SPL clubs telling them just now that if they change their mind then their season tickets- purchased only last week for many- will be going back leaving many of them in financial problems. The scenario is this: Vote Newco Rangers back into SPL they get their money & lose their fans (like us, probably for good). Vote no to Newco and they keep the increase in revenue they gained by their initial 'no' & SKY money still being something this season and SPL prize through the sponsors remaining the same. I can't see the SPL chairman changing their mind. In fact, the longer it goes on I can see a scenario where Newco are not playing anywhere this season, restructuring taking place for the following season with a Newco (& others probably including ourselves) in an SPL2. The SFL1 plan looks dead in the water with another couple of clubs coming out this morning against it. I'm lead to believe yesterday's players meeting at Ibrox was to do with certain players, Wallace included, who indicated they would transfer the contract to Newco but only if it was SFL1/SPL or SPL2. If it's in SFL3 then a good few of them are for the off. I would I imagine if there was nowhere to go next season they'd all be off as the club wouldn't have any income so they can't pay their wages! Now that would be a shame. Nowhere to go but then cheats never & should never prosper. Are you listening PTFC BoD? Edited July 3, 2012 by Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Fact or fiction? Probably the later, another attempt by the DR to drive their agenda. But if the SPL did perform a u turn of gigantic proportions then I hope their fans desert them and the likes of Killie, MWell etc go bust but unlike newco they have to start again in div3. Poetic. Although my money is on fan power winning and newco in div3. Otherwise football is dead in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 So if it's every club just doing what's best for itself should PTFC not be in favour of newco to the 3rd Div? We still get the newco revenue two years later and meantime the lower SPL clubs struggle severely bringing them at least down to our financial level. Putting boycotts aside I've struggled to grasp the true financial benefit these pseudo gangsters are offering. OK if the 96% of us went along with this nonsense we'd maybe be on a stronger financial footing but so would each and every one of our rivals. Clubs in the SPL like Killie. St Mirren etc would still be proportionately stronger than us, indeed the gap would likely be bigger than today. We'd then have to spend more to compete and hey presto we're back to where we are now. Feel obliged to add that above should have absolutely no bearing on outcome and today's meeting shouldn't even be taking place. There is nothing to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWM Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/3251514.stm Chic Young back in 2002, oh how times change: But I have a problem with clubs who can eject their debt by going into administration and then resume normal service in the same division while former employees - and not just players - are left drowning in a sea of debt. It is morally wrong. " Stole that from P&B. Someone should pin it at the top of the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why don't they find a reason to religate Celtic into the 3rd problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) The promise of Newco if accepted into the SPL. ● Back SPL voting reform which would destroy the Old Firm’s voting power. ● Rangers must approve and support a more equitable SPL income distribution which would cut payments to the Old Firm. ● Rangers must accept a points deduction. ● They also have to agree to pay all UK and European football debts. ● The transfer embargo they had overturned in the Court of Session must remain. ● A public apology must be made and Rangers must also accept responsibility for past misdemeanours. Now, given the beyond skeletal squad they have, how the hell are they gona compete at the top level of Scottish football? Their current squad needs to be supplemented by kids and there will be a points deduction...so are they just gona scrap relegation and promotion next season then? Edited July 3, 2012 by Steven H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 If I was the SFL I would be saying Div 3 or nothing , sort out yer own mess. From the soundbytes from Turnbull Hutton on his way into the meeting it could be a cracker to listen in to , comments about being lied to , corruption and bullying. Just the words that need to be said to that bunch of ******s running the SPL That's the worst of it, isn't it? Suddenly it's every other team's mess. That's one reason I'm really p*ssed off at the SFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.u...and/3251514.stm Chic Young back in 2002, oh how times change: But I have a problem with clubs who can eject their debt by going into administration and then resume normal service in the same division while former employees - and not just players - are left drowning in a sea of debt. It is morally wrong. " Stole that from P&B. Someone should pin it at the top of the forum. I think a line of t shirts would be more appropriate - and a billboard poster campaign along the M8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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