Jaggernaut Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 If Archie wants the job and our good form continues but the club appoints somebody else as manager, there will be an awful lot of seriously pi**ed off Thistle fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Is Archie on anyone else's short list? Of all the players saying Archie should get the job... How many are signed up for next season? How many want their pal to get the job, but if we don't go up, will leave in the summer? How many of these vocal players are willing to sign a contract extension if Archie gets the job? Edited March 7, 2013 by potty trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Is Archie on anyone else's short list? Of all the players saying Archie should get the job... How many are signed up for next season? How many want their pal to get the job, but if we don't go up, will leave in the summer? How many of these vocal players are willing to sign a contract extension if Archie gets the job? Do you think that bringing in a different manager would increase the number of players willing to sing a contract extension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredthecheesecloth Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 The people calling for Archi to get the job on here will be the same people who start squealing as/when we hit a bad patch. Points above by potty trained are absolutely spot on as well. To add more: What if Alan Archibald does not want the job and has indicated this? What if he is happy to put up a front but really wants to extend his playing career? What if Scott Paterson doesn't want this to be any longer than a stop gap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 What if a massive asteroid crashes into Earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredthecheesecloth Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Do you think that bringing in a different manager would increase the number of players willing to sing a contract extension? What about the players that would be attracted to the club? Hypothetically - is a club with a rookie manager who have not been promoted an attractive option? That is the danger of giving Archi this fulltime. Give him until the end of the season - see whats happening then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I would want Archie to be given the job on a longer term basis, provided he wants it, that is. He's done everything that we could've hoped for from him since he took charge. If, on the other hand, he doesn't want the job longer term, and wishes to continue playing, then I don't think there's any of us who would or could have a problem with that; we would of course respect that wish. In short, the campaign for Archie to get the job is based on the supposition that that's what he wants. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Give him until the end of the season - see whats happening then. Effectively what I'm sure will happen. I can't really see the point in interviewing anyone till we know what our status will be next season. I doubt there's anybody available that could come in just now and improve our chances of winning the league but there's plenty who could scupper them. That's got nothing to do with how good a Jags manager any of them could be. A bigger decision might be giving Archie the job if we get promoted. If we miss out you could argue that we can afford to give him more time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Id love Archie to get the job, but what im thinking is.....if we go up, is he experienced enough for the SPL, maybe get an experienced manager in, and get Archie to be his No2 to build up the experience, we dont want it to end up like gerry and whyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Do you think that bringing in a different manager would increase the number of players willing to sing a contract extension? You answer my questions first. :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 FAO Fredthecheesecloth and Potty Trained - read this article in The Glaswegian. "ALAN ARCHIBALD has revealed he’s pulling out all the stops to land the Partick Thistle job on a permanent basis. "He said: “I want to become the next Partick Thistle manager as I’m a young coach and realise I’ve been given a terrific opportunity." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Will be interesting to see who makes up the six man shortlist; well, five man since Archie is one. Two people who I think will definitely feature are Paul Hartley and Gardner Spiers. Job is Archie's if he continues this form though. Ive heard it mentioned a few times that the Manager of Queens Park is paid more than the Manager of Partick Thistle - something to do with them Managing the whole Community set up and also the fact they dont need to pay the players because they are Amateur. However it may not be the first time that I have been told a complete load of rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 FAO Fredthecheesecloth and Potty Trained - read this article in The Glaswegian. "ALAN ARCHIBALD has revealed he’s pulling out all the stops to land the Partick Thistle job on a permanent basis. "He said: “I want to become the next Partick Thistle manager as I’m a young coach and realise I’ve been given a terrific opportunity." Sorry if I've misunderstood, but why have I to read it? I know he wants the job, already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Sorry if I've misunderstood, but why have I to read it? I know he wants the job, already. Mixed up your posts with those of Blackpool Jag. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredthecheesecloth Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 FAO Fredthecheesecloth and Potty Trained - read this article in The Glaswegian. "ALAN ARCHIBALD has revealed he’s pulling out all the stops to land the Partick Thistle job on a permanent basis. "He said: “I want to become the next Partick Thistle manager as I’m a young coach and realise I’ve been given a terrific opportunity." Very good to hear, couple of my points answered. Ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Id love Archie to get the job, but what im thinking is.....if we go up, is he experienced enough for the SPL, maybe get an experienced manager in, and get Archie to be his No2 to build up the experience, we dont want it to end up like gerry and whyte experienced manager = manager who has failed at another club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 experienced manager = manager who has failed at another club. Exactly. Usually a journeyman who has done the rounds of umpteen clubs with little success, somebody who's currently unemployed (and for a reason), or somebody who's "desperate" to show they can (still) do it..... etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 experienced manager = manager who has failed at another club. Not necessarily. There are experienced managers in the lower leagues who could be of interest, e.g. Gardner Speirs. It would be harsh to say that John Collins failed at Hibs or Livingston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 experienced manager = manager who has failed at another club. Altho' I share that view a guy could make a complete arse of a job and still learn from his mistakes. Managers in many industries are at their weakest when plucked from the ranks of the workers. Most industries, unlike football, recognise this and give him/her time, help and training to adjust. Then again in virtually every other industry failed managers don't make more money talking or writing about their former occupation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Not necessarily. There are experienced managers in the lower leagues who could be of interest, e.g. Gardner Speirs. It would be harsh to say that John Collins failed at Hibs or Livingston. He was director of football at Livingstone, which would be like saying Maxi is our manager. If I recall his time at Hibs, he got results, but seriously pissed off the players and eventually the board and I don't think he moved the club that far forward.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 He was director of football at Livingstone, which would be like saying Maxi is our manager. It wouldn't really, Maxwell is a general manager and not involved in much of the football side of things. A director of football will be involved in the targeting and acquisition of players and basically everything a manager would do but without the same involvement in coaching or day-to-day duties with the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 What's the definition of "failure". Is it that he got relegated, or didn't get promoted. Was Lambie an "experienced" manager, who hadn't failed at other clubs ? Don't forget that we have experimented in the past with managers who had no experience and failed miserably(Derek Johnson,Murdo Macleod; White and Britton). I don't think there are any risk free candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/paul-paton-on-thistle-job-1749388 This was put up today. Paton speaking to the Record about Archie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://www.dailyreco...tle-job-1749388 This was put up today. Paton speaking to the Record about Archie. I didn't realise that Archibald was doubling up as an interviewer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I don't think that is a particularly helpful thing to be saying at this point. His job as captain is to help unite the club. This just drives division between management and players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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