thebiglemon Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I can't believe this thread is still going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I can't believe this thread is still going If it gets drawn out any further you'll need a new jumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Tonight's dreadful, clueless performance had nothing to do with the manager , he is in no way responsible or accountable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 quite right javajag, just said the same in that abomination of a thread that's just appeared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Tonight's dreadful, clueless performance had nothing to do with the manager , he is in no way responsible or accountable Whit?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Whit?! Irony...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Irony...... in that case whoosh on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Consider me whooshed. Although there will be someone on here that thinks that. Edited January 21, 2014 by The Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick_top Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 All I will say is be careful what you wish for chaps. Personally, I think the best way to get out of this slump is to stick together as a club. Roar the team on even more than you normally would. This is where you really earn your corn as a fan. If we change manager every time we go on a bad wee run (and employ a new manager who is even less experianced than our current manager) then we will go backwards year on year on year. I'm not asking anyone to go and sing about how wonderful Archie is, as I'm not stupid and I realise that a run like this will always put him under a certain amount of pressure. I see people who are calling for his head saying about how they'd be delighted to see him turn it around. Well, he's only going to do that with your support............so support him! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 All I will say is be careful what you wish for chaps. Personally, I think the best way to get out of this slump is to stick together as a club. Roar the team on even more than you normally would. This is where you really earn your corn as a fan. If we change manager every time we go on a bad wee run (and employ a new manager who is even less experianced than our current manager) then we will go backwards year on year on year. I'm not asking anyone to go and sing about how wonderful Archie is, as I'm not stupid and I realise that a run like this will always put him under a certain amount of pressure. I see people who are calling for his head saying about how they'd be delighted to see him turn it around. Well, he's only going to do that with your support............so support him! He need help and that's the support he should get .....learning on the job is proving a tad challenging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick_top Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 You're not shouting for that tho, you're shouting for the guy to be sacked. Whether he is sacked or given help is up to the directors. What you can do is be vocal and give him, and the team, your support. So even if it doesn't work out you can say "I gave him a fair chance, and my backing, but he just wasn't up to it. Shame"..........rather than " I helped to hound a guy out of his job before he had a chance to turn it around. Aren't I big? Aren't I clever?". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 You're not shouting for that tho, you're shouting for the guy to be sacked. Whether he is sacked or given help is up to the directors. What you can do is be vocal and give him, and the team, your support. So even if it doesn't work out you can say "I gave him a fair chance, and my backing, but he just wasn't up to it. Shame"..........rather than " I helped to hound a guy out of his job before he had a chance to turn it around. Aren't I big? Aren't I clever?". What are you on about? I give him and the team loads of support .... I actually watched the game tonight ! But I am entitled to my opinion and he is struggling The club is actually bigger than the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 What are you on about? I give him and the team loads of support .... I actually watched the game tonight ! But I am entitled to my opinion and he is struggling The club is actually bigger than the manager And by his style of football he is trying to make the club bigger and more entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick_top Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 So you give him and the team "loads of support" at the game, then when we lose you rush home to call for him to be sacked on here. Yet we beat hearts and you were nowhere to be seen? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 And by his style of football he is trying to make the club bigger and more entertaining Not tonight it was awful football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 So you give him and the team "loads of support" at the game, then when we lose you rush home to call for him to be sacked on here. Yet we beat hearts and you were nowhere to be seen? Strange. You can support the team without giving the manager unconditional support Lots of fans support their team at the game and then criticise them later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand2 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) An analogy if you would humour me: I have a house built, a really nice house that people like to look at; in fact, some people say it's the nicest house on the street. But it's falling down; the structure is damaged and the foundations are sodden. I could have these problems fixed and the house might not fall down but I'm content to accept the way it is because, well, have you looked at it? It's a piece of art. I'll gladly accept my house falling down and I'll gladly return to the slum I occupied before, the slum I worked my backside off for years to escape. Is it the house builders fault? Are you crazy? Of course, it isn't. I'm just grateful to have lived in such a beautiful house. Lunacy, wouldn't you say? Look, positivity is all good and well, something I encourage, but blind positivity is damaging. Some folk need to stop being so bloody naive, folk who have watched enough football to not be so ridiculously misguided. This acceptance of defeat on the rather flimsy basis that we play good football - which is arguable in itself seeing as the end game of the whole sport is to out score the other team - is utterly perplexing. Relegation increases the likelihood of our better players leaving and has obvious financial repercussions, resulting in the probability of being unable to attract replacements of a similar quality. Henceforth, this current amazing football that I must be incapable of appreciating subsides and we become an aspiring yet ultimately floundering First Division team again. THAT's what folk want!? Sorry but count me out. If that means I'm vilified and termed an "idiot" by an increasingly righteous section of the Thistle support then so be it. I don't think Archie should be sacked but I don't necessarily think he's doing a good job; two points from nine against teams around us is poor by anybody's standards. Excluding the games against each other, we've collected two more points than Hearts from fixtures against the rest of the teams in the league; two more points than a team of teenagers thrown in at the deep end. The board have backed the manager with funds for players yet he continues to ham-fistedly attempt to fit them into his predecessor's system. People see what they want to see. What I see is a team that is damn fortunate that Hearts are in financial ruin. And the reason why I won't stand back, cover my eyes and convince myself that at least it's better than the Campbell days is because I know this team are a damn sight better than that. Edited January 21, 2014 by Armand2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 An analogy if you would humour me: I have a house built, a really nice house that people like to look at; in fact, some people say it's the nicest house on the street. But it's falling down; the structure is damaged and the foundations are sodden. I could have these problems fixed and the house might not fall down but I'm content to accept the way it is because, well, have you looked at it? It's a piece of art. I'll gladly accept my house falling down and I'll gladly return to the slum I occupied before, the slum I worked my backside off for years to escape. Is it the house builders fault? Are you crazy? Of course, it isn't. I'm just grateful to have lived in such a beautiful house. Lunacy, wouldn't you say? Look, positivity is all good and well, something I encourage, but blind positivity is damaging. Some folk need to stop being so bloody naive, folk who have been watched enough football to not be so ridiculously misguided. This acceptance of defeat on the rather flimsy basis that we play good football - which is arguable in itself seeing as the end game of the whole sport is to out score the other team - is utterly perplexing. Relegation increases the likelihood of our better players leaving and has obvious financial repercussions, resulting in the probability of being unable to attract replacements of a similar quality. Henceforth, this current amazing football that I must be incapable of appreciating subsides and we become an aspiring yet ultimately floundering First Division team again. THAT's what folk want!? Sorry but count me out. If that means I'm vilified and termed an "idiot" by an increasingly righteous section of the Thistle support then so be it. I don't think Archie should be sacked but I don't necessarily think he's doing a good job; two points from nine against teams around us is poor by anybody's standards. Excluding the games against each other, we've collected two more points than Hearts from fixtures against the rest of the teams in the league; two more points than a team of teenagers thrown in at the deep end. The board have backed the manager with funds for players yet he continues to ham-fistedly attempt to fit them into his predecessor's system. People see what they want to see. What I see is a team that is damn fortunate that Hearts are in financial ruin. And the reason why I won't stand back, cover my eyes and convince myself that at least it's better than the Campbell days is because I know this team are a damn sight better than that. Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brick_top Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Not an unfair reflection of things. Only bit I would take real issue with is that the teenagers that hearts have thrown together have an average age of 22, ours is 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Fully agree with Armand2. Our home record under Archie is worse than Campbell, McVeigh, Britton and Whyte and all the other diddies we've had. Tonight was the worst I've seen us since Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Also, if we're to try and analyse the situation with some basic facts: - 1 win from 14 games - A record-breakingly poor home record, without a single win all season. These are perfectly valid grounds on which to dismiss any manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 An analogy if you would humour me: I have a house built, a really nice house that people like to look at; in fact, some people say it's the nicest house on the street. But it's falling down; the structure is damaged and the foundations are sodden. I could have these problems fixed and the house might not fall down but I'm content to accept the way it is because, well, have you looked at it? It's a piece of art. I'll gladly accept my house falling down and I'll gladly return to the slum I occupied before, the slum I worked my backside off for years to escape. Is it the house builders fault? Are you crazy? Of course, it isn't. I'm just grateful to have lived in such a beautiful house. Lunacy, wouldn't you say? Look, positivity is all good and well, something I encourage, but blind positivity is damaging. Some folk need to stop being so bloody naive, folk who have watched enough football to not be so ridiculously misguided. This acceptance of defeat on the rather flimsy basis that we play good football - which is arguable in itself seeing as the end game of the whole sport is to out score the other team - is utterly perplexing. Relegation increases the likelihood of our better players leaving and has obvious financial repercussions, resulting in the probability of being unable to attract replacements of a similar quality. Henceforth, this current amazing football that I must be incapable of appreciating subsides and we become an aspiring yet ultimately floundering First Division team again. THAT's what folk want!? Sorry but count me out. If that means I'm vilified and termed an "idiot" by an increasingly righteous section of the Thistle support then so be it. I don't think Archie should be sacked but I don't necessarily think he's doing a good job; two points from nine against teams around us is poor by anybody's standards. Excluding the games against each other, we've collected two more points than Hearts from fixtures against the rest of the teams in the league; two more points than a team of teenagers thrown in at the deep end. The board have backed the manager with funds for players yet he continues to ham-fistedly attempt to fit them into his predecessor's system. People see what they want to see. What I see is a team that is damn fortunate that Hearts are in financial ruin. And the reason why I won't stand back, cover my eyes and convince myself that at least it's better than the Campbell days is because I know this team are a damn sight better than that. Good post, agree with 90% of what you said but think we've abandoned the principals that made us a good team ( possession football etc ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Not tonight it was awful football We were a whole lot better on the eye than St. Johnstone. I think someone likened them to County when they won the 1st Div on another thread; a good comparison. I agree we were dire in the opening half hour but thereafter we were by far the better team. Fair enough to say that they let us come on, but we were pretty close to scoring in the later stages and one header from May aside, they were nowhere near scoring again as far as I recall. St. Mirren on Saturday. We have won 70% of our points away from home. Here's hoping that pushes up to 74%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Also, if we're to try and analyse the situation with some basic facts: - 1 win from 14 games - A record-breakingly poor home record, without a single win all season. These are perfectly valid grounds on which to dismiss any manager. And that will fix everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabbath Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 No Excuses........No Vision........No Ambition.........No Fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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