La Scimmia Rossa Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 http://bit.ly/1tHzRoI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Nothing about him going on loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankey Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Signing a guy till May and punting him out till January, ******* stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulful_jag Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) FFS, sign a guy from English non-league and punt him straight in the the top flight here in Scotland, yeah the standard of our league may not be great but that is at best a huge jump for the player to have to make, or at worst, a recipe for disaster. Promising player he may be, but the smart thing to do is loan him out to a team in a lower league up here where he will get the chance of regular first team football and Archie will be able to monitor his progress closely. Archie maybe has seen enough in him to think he might be good enough, but doesn't think he's ready for our first team. So if he does well while out on loan, brilliant he can come back to Firhill with another six months left to try and win a first team place in the team and earn himself a better, longer term contract. What is ******* stupid about that? Edited August 29, 2014 by soulful_jag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Nothing about him going on loan Sick to death of mentioning it on here but the Tamworth Herald just isn't the paper it used to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Surely the club should have contacted the Tamworth Herald to ensure they had the full facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankey Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 FFS, sign a guy from English non-league and punt him straight in the the top flight here in Scotland, yeah the standard of our league may not be great but that is at best a huge jump for the player to have to make, or at worst, a recipe for disaster. Promising player he may be, but the smart thing to do is loan him out to a team in a lower league up here where he will get the chance of regular first team football and Archie will be able to monitor his progress closely. Archie maybe has seen enough in him to think he might be good enough, but doesn't think he's ready for our first team. So if he does well while out on loan, brilliant he can come back to Firhill with another six months left to try and win a first team place in the team and earn himself a better, longer term contract. What is ******* stupid about that? Oh I don't know, half a season's wage that could have been spent on a first team player? Also if hes not ready, but thinks hes could be, whys he been brought in on such a short deal? Don't see the gain short or long term out of this at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) FFS, sign a guy from English non-league and punt him straight in the the top flight here in Scotland, yeah the standard of our league may not be great but that is at best a huge jump for the player to have to make, or at worst, a recipe for disaster. Promising player he may be, but the smart thing to do is loan him out to a team in a lower league up here where he will get the chance of regular first team football and Archie will be able to monitor his progress closely. Archie maybe has seen enough in him to think he might be good enough, but doesn't think he's ready for our first team. So if he does well while out on loan, brilliant he can come back to Firhill with another six months left to try and win a first team place in the team and earn himself a better, longer term contract. What is ******* stupid about that? Nothing stupid but it's understandable that some posters are concerned that there is a lack of depth in defence. With Piccolo gone and BRE (presumably his replacement) out on loan, Lindsay will have to be ready to start if there are two injuries or suspensions. Edited August 29, 2014 by kni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Nothing stupid but it's understandable that some posters are concerned that there is a lack of depth in defence. With Piccolo gone and BRE (presumably his replacement) out on loan, Lindsay will have to be ready to start if there are two injuries or suspensions. Just taking a wild stab at this but maybe that's why he's been on the bench the last couple of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Just taking a wild stab at this but maybe that's why he's been on the bench the last couple of games. I hope that you are right but were/are there any central defensive alternatives with Seabourne out and BRE at Airdrie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I hope that you are right but were/are there any central defensive alternatives with Seabourne out and BRE at Airdrie? Keenan can play left centreback but Lindsay (who Dale covered for last season) would be preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Keenan can play left centreback but Lindsay (who Dale covered for last season) would be preferred. That's interesting as the club website described Keenan as right-back last season. "Previously on the books of Celtic, Dale joined Thistle in the summer of 2011 as a Modern Apprentice. The right-back spent the second half of the 2012/13 season on loan at Second Division East Fife." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeless Unbeliever Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Crazy that there isn't a clause in his contract that he can be recalled if we suffer injuries at the back. Stupid Archie having him out getting match sharpness instead of sitting in the stand at Firhill. Glad we all know intricately the details of the club's transfers. Edited August 29, 2014 by Hopeless Unbeliever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 That's interesting as the club website described Keenan as right-back last season. "Previously on the books of Celtic, Dale joined Thistle in the summer of 2011 as a Modern Apprentice. The right-back spent the second half of the 2012/13 season on loan at Second Division East Fife." Are you taking the piss? I answered your question with as much clarity as I could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
north stander Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 FFS, sign a guy from English non-league and punt him straight in the the top flight here in Scotland, yeah the standard of our league may not be great but that is at best a huge jump for the player to have to make, or at worst, a recipe for disaster. Promising player he may be, but the smart thing to do is loan him out to a team in a lower league up here where he will get the chance of regular first team football and Archie will be able to monitor his progress closely. Archie maybe has seen enough in him to think he might be good enough, but doesn't think he's ready for our first team. So if he does well while out on loan, brilliant he can come back to Firhill with another six months left to try and win a first team place in the team and earn himself a better, longer term contract. What is ******* stupid about that? /\ Sense Oh I don't know, half a season's wage that could have been spent on a first team player? Also if hes not ready, but thinks hes could be, whys he been brought in on such a short deal? Don't see the gain short or long term out of this at the moment. /\ Nonsense Clubs taking loan players often pay a percentage, or in some cases all of wage. Likely BRE is not on a massive wage with us, so equally likely loaning out BRE is not costing club that much, far less half a season's wage. And as soulful jag says if BRE does well on loan and improves enough to challenge for first team action with us he can earn a longer and better contract. If BRE doesn't impress and improve enough while on loan, he'll either be loaned out again for second half of the season, or feature as a reserve player or occasional sub in first team. When you think about it, is loaning out a player you believe has potential (in this instance BRE) for six months to get them regular game time, match fit and competitive, and also to find out if they can make step up from level they have been used to, any different from a player we've been developing through our youth system for a few years where we send them out on loan for six months, before then incorporating them into first team squad if or once they are deemed good enough and ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 BRE probably could have been loaned to a full-time team, I'm sure one of the 1st division clubs would have taken a punt on his due to his relative experience in the Conference. Him playing for a full-time team, however, means he can't train with us every day & get use to the squad etc. Loaning him to Airdrie allows him matches, in a competitive league whilst remaining at Firhill on a daily basis. Best of both worlds I would say, considering he would be unlikely to appear for the 1st team between now & January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Don't quite understand the difference between him and Carroll.....both 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Don't quite understand the difference between him and Carroll.....both 23 I'm the same age as Kenny Dalglish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'm the same age as Kenny Dalglish. But not as intelligent..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Don't quite understand the difference between him and Carroll.....both 23 No difference between them apart from one has played in the chamionship and has trained with champonship players every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arch Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 All players that are 22 are the same. All players that are 23 are the same. We should sign a player of every age so we get good variety. Is this how it works? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 All players that are 22 are the same. All players that are 23 are the same. We should sign a player of every age so we get good variety. Is this how it works? No idea as no one has explained it that I've seen but it was suggested it was due to his age which is clearly not the reason Still can't understand why we have signed and loaned him for half his contract and as is often the case no one at the club bothers to enlighten their customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 He was the "stand-out" player in Saturday's game against Stirling Albion, according to an Albion fan I know who also referred to him as "rock solid". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Still can't understand why we have signed and loaned him for half his contract and as is often the case no one at the club bothers to enlighten their customers Agree it's a trifle strange but there could be options in the contract. Or it may be extended during the loan spell if the guy's up to the mark. Much as I hark on about the poor quality of PR emanating from the Club I don't think the nuts and bolts of a contract needs airing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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