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[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

 

 

What's with the inverted commas? I can only assume you think the manager's Christian name is exclusively know to insiders.

 

Oh jeez! He's off on one again this time about inverted commas.

 

Is it only place names like 'Cumbernauld' they should be used?

 

Or names like...

 

Is this a football forum & you don't like that your hero is being criticised?

 

Give it up.

[Lenziejag]

 

That was a much much stronger league with pretty much every club barring ourselves paying wages they couldn't afford.

 

Isn't that the argument that is being used to say that this season's league is the weakest it has been, presumably because Rangers Hearts and Hibs aren't in it this season. Two of those clubs aren't in the league because they cheated by paying wages they couldn't afford.And let's not forget Hibs and Hearts were the two weakest teams last season(even if you give Hearts their 15 points back). The problem with the negative argument is that it is only looking at the negative stats and totally ignores the positive stats this season such like 3 wins by 4 goals or more of the fact only a Thistle player has a hatrick in the premiership this season.This Thistle team really isn't that different from pretty much all the Thistle teams through the years - inconsistent

[The Jukebox Rebel]

I'd like to know what our average overall league position has been, let's say since yon celebrated former Dundee MP's funeral. We're currently 9th top club in Scotland. Does our current placing represent an above or below average position over the last 50 years?

Whatever the answer re average league position it doesn't excuse last night's abysmal performance. Nor does it mean even if we're currently positioned on a relative high we shouldn't have even higher aspirations. At the same time when there's never any positive reference to our current status I find the continual slagging of the Club, players and manager by some as ridiculously tiresome. Maybe I'm just old fashioned and like constructive criticism.

Here are those facts you were after lib...

• From 1893-94 we've completed 114 national League seasons in the SFL / SPL / SPFL.
  
• In all of history our average League position has never been higher than 9th.
  
• Our all-time peak was in 1963/64 with an average finish of 8.96875th.
  
• In the last 50 years, 1964-65 to date, our average League position is 14.08th.
  

 

Edited to add the actual finishes below if anyone wants 'em

 

 

 

1893-94 - 15

1894-95 - 16

1895-96 - 15

1896-97 - 11

1897-98 - 8

1898-99 - 9

1899-00 - 11

1900-01 - 11

1901-02 - 12

1902-03 - 8

1903-04 - 6

1904-05 - 5

1905-06 - 5

1906-07 - 14

1907-08 - 14

1908-09 - 18

1909-10 - 16

1910-11 - 4

1911-12 - 4

1912-13 - 17

1913-14 - 15

1914-15 - 7

1915-16 - 5

1916-17 - 9

1917-18 - 6

1918-19 - 4

1919-20 - 12

1920-21 - 6

1921-22 - 6

1922-23 - 11

1923-24 - 8

1924-25 - 7

1925-26 - 14

1926-27 - 11

1927-28 - 6

1928-29 - 6

1929-30 - 6

1930-31 - 4

1931-32 - 6

1932-33 - 10

1933-34 - 13

1934-35 - 13

1935-36 - 10

1936-37 - 13

1937-38 - 7

1938-39 - 11

1946-47 - 5

1947-48 - 3

1948-49 - 11

1949-50 - 7

1950-51 - 6

1951-52 - 6

1952-53 - 9

1953-54 - 3

1954-55 - 9

1955-56 - 9

1956-57 - 8

1957-58 - 6

1958-59 - 9

1959-60 - 10

1960-61 - 11

1961-62 - 7

1962-63 - 3

1963-64 - 7

1964-65 - 11

1965-66 - 12

1966-67 - 12

1967-68 - 10

1968-69 - 14

1969-70 - 18

1970-71 - 19

1971-72 - 7

1972-73 - 13

1973-74 - 11

1974-75 - 13

1975-76 - 11

1976-77 - 5

1977-78 - 7

1978-79 - 8

1979-80 - 7

1980-81 - 6

1981-82 - 9

1982-83 - 14

1983-84 - 13

1984-85 - 21

1985-86 - 18

1986-87 - 20

1987-88 - 20

1988-89 - 18

1989-90 - 10

1990-91 - 14

1991-92 - 14

1992-93 - 8

1993-94 - 9

1994-95 - 8

1995-96 - 9

1996-97 - 16

1997-98 - 19

1998-99 - 28

1999-00 - 25

2000-01 - 23

2001-02 - 13

2002-03 - 10

2003-04 - 12

2004-05 - 21

2005-06 - 26

2006-07 - 19

2007-08 - 18

2008-09 - 14

2009-10 - 18

2010-11 - 17

2011-12 - 18

2012-13 - 13

2013-14 - 10

 

 

Edited February 1, 2015 by The Jukebox Rebel

[thebiglemon]

Here are those facts you were after lib...

• From 1893-94 we've completed 114 national League seasons in the SFL / SPL / SPFL.
  
• In all of history our average League position has never been higher than 9th.
  
• Our all-time peak was in 1963/64 with an average finish of 8.96875th.
  
• In the last 50 years, 1964-65 to date, our average League position is 14.08th.
  

Edited to add the actual finishes below if anyone wants 'em

 

 

 

1893-94 - 15

1894-95 - 16

1895-96 - 15

1896-97 - 11

1897-98 - 8

1898-99 - 9

1899-00 - 11

1900-01 - 11

1901-02 - 12

1902-03 - 8

1903-04 - 6

1904-05 - 5

1905-06 - 5

1906-07 - 14

1907-08 - 14

1908-09 - 18

1909-10 - 16

1910-11 - 4

1911-12 - 4

1912-13 - 17

1913-14 - 15

1914-15 - 7

1915-16 - 5

1916-17 - 9

1917-18 - 6

1918-19 - 4

1919-20 - 12

1920-21 - 6

1921-22 - 6

1922-23 - 11

1923-24 - 8

1924-25 - 7

1925-26 - 14

1926-27 - 11

1927-28 - 6

1928-29 - 6

1929-30 - 6

1930-31 - 4

1931-32 - 6

1932-33 - 10

1933-34 - 13

1934-35 - 13

1935-36 - 10

1936-37 - 13

1937-38 - 7

1938-39 - 11

1946-47 - 5

1947-48 - 3

1948-49 - 11

1949-50 - 7

1950-51 - 6

1951-52 - 6

1952-53 - 9

1953-54 - 3

1954-55 - 9

1955-56 - 9

1956-57 - 8

1957-58 - 6

1958-59 - 9

1959-60 - 10

1960-61 - 11

1961-62 - 7

1962-63 - 3

1963-64 - 7

1964-65 - 11

1965-66 - 12

1966-67 - 12

1967-68 - 10

1968-69 - 14

1969-70 - 18

1970-71 - 19

1971-72 - 7

1972-73 - 13

1973-74 - 11

1974-75 - 13

1975-76 - 11

1976-77 - 5

1977-78 - 7

1978-79 - 8

1979-80 - 7

1980-81 - 6

1981-82 - 9

1982-83 - 14

1983-84 - 13

1984-85 - 21

1985-86 - 18

1986-87 - 20

1987-88 - 20

1988-89 - 18

1989-90 - 10

1990-91 - 14

1991-92 - 14

1992-93 - 8

1993-94 - 9

1994-95 - 8

1995-96 - 9

1996-97 - 16

1997-98 - 19

1998-99 - 28

1999-00 - 25

2000-01 - 23

2001-02 - 13

2002-03 - 10

2003-04 - 12

2004-05 - 21

2005-06 - 26

2006-07 - 19

2007-08 - 18

2008-09 - 14

2009-10 - 18

2010-11 - 17

2011-12 - 18

2012-13 - 13

2013-14 - 10

 

 

 

Well that's the answer to the "What is our level?" 14th best team in Scotland.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

Overall, our average historic level is 11th (11.25438596)

[allyo]

Archie's first game, we were second in the league and eight points behind Morton. Any Thistle fan at that time who was shown today's league table, and asked if they'd accept that in two years time, would have taken it. Regardless of who the manager was, or whether he was a "club legend". That has nothing to do with it. This is the big picture. There have been ups and downs, good and bad performances, and some really frustrating outcomes, no doubt. And Hamilton may have surpassed us (for now). But in the same period, on the same terms, we have surpassed Morton, Motherwell, St Mirren, Ross County, Hearts and Hibs.

 

But BGM, and the others, can you honestly say that you would not have taken this position two years ago?. If you would have, doesn't the management deserve credit? And if you wouldn't, please try to explain why not.

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

 

 

But BGM, and the others, can you honestly say that you would not have taken this position two years ago?. If you would have, doesn't the management deserve credit? And if you wouldn't, please try to explain why not.

 

I've never said they didn't deserve credit for that but I'm talking about the here & now.

 

We're in the worst SPL for many a year but we're not, imo, showing the potential this team has.

 

How can I say that? Well think that's been covered fairly extensively over the weekend! Read back.

[allyo]

Okay, but if a Thistle team has been constructed that is better than 9th in the premier league then, again, doesn't the management deserve some credit for that?

[Winter of '63]

Isn't that the argument that is being used to say that this season's league is the weakest it has been, presumably because Rangers Hearts and Hibs aren't in it this season. Two of those clubs aren't in the league because they cheated by paying wages they couldn't afford.And let's not forget Hibs and Hearts were the two weakest teams last season(even if you give Hearts their 15 points back). The problem with the negative argument is that it is only looking at the negative stats and totally ignores the positive stats this season such like 3 wins by 4 goals or more of the fact only a Thistle player has a hatrick in the premiership this season.This Thistle team really isn't that different from pretty much all the Thistle teams through the years - inconsistent

Here's some positive stats: -

 

Last season, but for a late deflected goal, 15 minutes from the end of our final game, we would have finished Seventh. That would have been an excellent achievment but no more than our play merited.

 

Throughout Scottish Football History, Rangers, Hearts & Hibs have almost always finished above us in the League reflecting their greater financial resources. They are in a lower League this season so it makes it much easier for us to finish in a historically high position.

 

St Johnstone lost Stevie May, their star player...Kilmarnock lost Kris Boyd, their main goalscorer and their fans are disaffected...St Mirren made a poor choice of manager & have been without Steven Thompson,their talisman...Motherwell have what their fans regard as their worst side for 30 years.

 

Hamilton & Inverness are within a few points of the top of the League...in our last two games, we have taken 7 goals off both of them.

 

We have signed Seaborne, Frans & Osman who all bring a much needed physical presence to the side.

 

Personally, I have been as disappointed at watching so many unentertaining games this season as by our failure to beat out of form sides - Klimarnock, St Johnstone, Dundee & St Mirren were poor games. However, I'm a bit surprised that any Thistle fan is satisfied that our current League position is as good as we are entitled to expect...that seems a bit negative to me.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Here are those facts you were after lib...

• From 1893-94 we've completed 114 national League seasons in the SFL / SPL / SPFL.
  
• In all of history our average League position has never been higher than 9th.
  
• Our all-time peak was in 1963/64 with an average finish of 8.96875th.
  
• In the last 50 years, 1964-65 to date, our average League position is 14.08th.
  

Edited to add the actual finishes below if anyone wants 'em

 

 

 

1893-94 - 15

1894-95 - 16

1895-96 - 15

1896-97 - 11

1897-98 - 8

1898-99 - 9

1899-00 - 11

1900-01 - 11

1901-02 - 12

1902-03 - 8

1903-04 - 6

1904-05 - 5

1905-06 - 5

1906-07 - 14

1907-08 - 14

1908-09 - 18

1909-10 - 16

1910-11 - 4

1911-12 - 4

1912-13 - 17

1913-14 - 15

1914-15 - 7

1915-16 - 5

1916-17 - 9

1917-18 - 6

1918-19 - 4

1919-20 - 12

1920-21 - 6

1921-22 - 6

1922-23 - 11

1923-24 - 8

1924-25 - 7

1925-26 - 14

1926-27 - 11

1927-28 - 6

1928-29 - 6

1929-30 - 6

1930-31 - 4

1931-32 - 6

1932-33 - 10

1933-34 - 13

1934-35 - 13

1935-36 - 10

1936-37 - 13

1937-38 - 7

1938-39 - 11

1946-47 - 5

1947-48 - 3

1948-49 - 11

1949-50 - 7

1950-51 - 6

1951-52 - 6

1952-53 - 9

1953-54 - 3

1954-55 - 9

1955-56 - 9

1956-57 - 8

1957-58 - 6

1958-59 - 9

1959-60 - 10

1960-61 - 11

1961-62 - 7

1962-63 - 3

1963-64 - 7

1964-65 - 11

1965-66 - 12

1966-67 - 12

1967-68 - 10

1968-69 - 14

1969-70 - 18

1970-71 - 19

1971-72 - 7

1972-73 - 13

1973-74 - 11

1974-75 - 13

1975-76 - 11

1976-77 - 5

1977-78 - 7

1978-79 - 8

1979-80 - 7

1980-81 - 6

1981-82 - 9

1982-83 - 14

1983-84 - 13

1984-85 - 21

1985-86 - 18

1986-87 - 20

1987-88 - 20

1988-89 - 18

1989-90 - 10

1990-91 - 14

1991-92 - 14

1992-93 - 8

1993-94 - 9

1994-95 - 8

1995-96 - 9

1996-97 - 16

1997-98 - 19

1998-99 - 28

1999-00 - 25

2000-01 - 23

2001-02 - 13

2002-03 - 10

2003-04 - 12

2004-05 - 21

2005-06 - 26

2006-07 - 19

2007-08 - 18

2008-09 - 14

2009-10 - 18

2010-11 - 17

2011-12 - 18

2012-13 - 13

2013-14 - 10

 

 

 

Thanks for that, TJR .

 

Point I was trying to make yesterday is I can see both sides of an argument re our current form/performances. Whilst I'm sure we could do better with the current personnel on our books at the same time it can't be denied we're punching above our weight from a historical point of view. With that in mind I'm not prepared to jump on folk that believe we should be further up the league.

At the same time it's hardly complacency to be content on a relative basis with regards to our current status. It's those that post on here that only pay lip service to what is our relatively high status that get on my goat. Post after post after post about our errors and failings, usually blatantly obvious anyway, but can't ever acknowledge our successes, which to me at least are just as obvious.

[Winter of '63]

Thanks for that, TJR .

 

Point I was trying to make yesterday is I can see both sides of an argument re our current form/performances. Whilst I'm sure we could do better with the current personnel on our books at the same time it can't be denied we're punching above our weight from a historical point of view. With that in mind I'm not prepared to jump on folk that believe we should be further up the league.

At the same time it's hardly complacency to be content on a relative basis with regards to our current status. It's those that post on here that only pay lip service to what is our relatively high status that get on my goat. Post after post after post about our errors and failings, usually blatantly obvious anyway, but can't ever acknowledge our successes, which to me at least are just as obvious.

Well I'm prepared to deny this. For the first 90 years of the Club's history, we were almost always in or around the top 12 clubs and as I mentioned in my previous post we were almost always below Rangers, Hearts & Hibs. We had about 30 years in the wilderness with only the SPL Years with John Lambie returning us to what was our historic level. Credit definitely due to Archie for getting us back there but I don't think this is a historic over-achievment.

 

Interesting to note that our three statistically worst teams as far as League Position were 1998/99 (Tommy Bryce/John Lambie), 1999/2000 (John Lambie) & 2005/06 (Dick Campbell).- thanks to JBR, the King of the Stats

[Jag]

The above quote sums up what I see as wrong with some Thistle fans. But then all teams have them. Total lack of ambition and desire to progress, both off and on the park. That's our place in life eh? No it's not. Our place in life, is either the top half of the SPL, or the bottom half of the 3rd Division, or indeed anywhere in between. If every team simply had a place in life, why are Hibs in the 1st Division and why are Ross County in the SPL? You have to EARN everything in this game and quite simply last night we looked like we couldn't be bothered.

 

Fans pay good money to watch our team, and even though they aren't on superstar wages, the players earn a decent living playing professional football. I have been to every home game this season, and the majority of away games. Similar to previous seasons. I have stood in the freezing rain and sat in the biting cold (recent Motherwell game comes to mind) and paid a lot of money (to me anyway) for the privilege. I have done this because I want to support the team and I want us to be as successful as we can be. I don't mean winning trophies, I mean by playing good football. if trophies come along, then even better. I remember in the Intertoto cup against Metz. What a trip. I will always support the club. However, I have every right to criticise anybody who takes a wage from Thistle and doesn't perform. I have to perform at my work, so why are footballers different? It would appear that those that criticise are seen by some as being falsely optimistic, or worse, disloyal to the team and management. Bollocks. Criticism, as long as it's constructive, can be merited and useful. Are we all expected to sit back and just put last night performance aside instantly. How is that positive? Instead we should be discussing how last nights performance happened and what should be done to stop it happening again. Some of the players played WELL below their capability and some even looked like they couldn't be bothered. Higgy's terrible pass lost us possession which led to the corner and the goal. Higgy needs dropped instantly and if he isn't prepared to put in a shift, he can go elsewhere. I don't want him at my club if playing for us is not important enough to him. Doolan needs to get in the gym and muscle up. He was bullied all night last night and has been by most teams this season. And he needs to jump more than 2 inches from the ground when going for the ball. Conrad needs to cut out the mistakes and Banzo needs to be more positive in his distribution. We were playing at a snails pace last night and just about the whole team was responsible for a miserable performance. Now the question for me is, did the team play this total hoof football because of St Mirren's counter tactics? Or instead because they were instructed to do so by Archie? It looked to me like our game plan and Archie's instructions. And that being the case, he deserves all the criticism he gets for last night. His subs were too late and too meaningless and that has been a pattern for Archie. When will he make half time changes when things are clearly going wrong? And when will he change to team shape instead of constantly subbing like for like. Every other team that I have seen, seem change their shape if necessary. Why are we different?

 

In summary, I think the players need criticised for last nights inept performance. They need to hear the fans won't tolerate it, roll up their sleeves and get their arses in gear. If I were Archie, I would asking the players to surrender a large part of their wages and donate them to charity. They didn't turn up last night. And as long as I support my team, that will never be good enough. Sorry La Scimmia Rosa, for stamping my feet.

 

Well said that man. I can't really understand the 'be happy where you are' attitude either.

 

The league we are in is the weakest it has been for years or perhaps ever. I mean that in terms of quality, not in the sense that there are some 'regulars' missing. Compared to other teams in the league we are a pretty good side on our day and going in to games I'm always confident that if we play well we can get a result. That doesn't mean I am confident going in to games, it means I think we are better than most other teams when we play to our potential. With the ability we have in our squad we should be winning more games and fighting to get in to the top half of the league but it now looks as if we could be dragged in to the relegation battle. That is why I, and a lot of others, get so frustrated when we witness a performance like we did on Friday night.

 

I don't know if it is a lack of confidence, a lack of desire or a lack of tactical awareness from the management team that is preventing us moving up the table but there is obviously something wrong. I personally hope it is the former as it is the easiest to find a solution for, perhaps some might claim it's all three. Do the players have the same attitude as some fans that we should be happy where we are? I don’t know.

 

I keep hearing this phrase 'established SPFL club'. It's as if the teams that were here before us have a right to finish above us. The not established Ross County finished fifth in their first ever season in the top flight. That was in the same season that St Johnstone finished third. Do you think these teams would have done that if they had accepted their level? Are Dundee, currently just outside the top six an established SPFL team? Or is it OK for them because they have a bigger support than us?

 

Football clubs have good seasons, football clubs have bad seasons. Yes, over a period of time we are not going to be part of the best few teams in Scotland but what the hell is wrong with looking to do that this season, when it should be easier than any other?

 

I am grateful for being in this league. This is the league that I want us to be playing in and I am happy we are in it. I was delighted when we were promoted, winning the First Division in style and the manager deserved great credit for that. I was over the moon when we stayed up last season, in a rollercoaster first year back. But why should we be content with consolidation when we have the potential to do much better?

 

I was really angry on Friday night. Angry with the manager. Angry with the players. Angry with myself for getting so angry. If I honestly thought that ‘our level’ is ninth in a really poor league, full of really poor teams then I’m sure I wouldn’t have been so bothered.

 

Lambie Is God is spot on. The players and manager have every right to be criticised for Friday night (I would however draw the line at donating their wages to charity). We were awful throughout the whole match and I don’t believe criticising them is being disloyal, nor does it mean I am looking for a change of manager.

 

So, apologies from me for thinking we can do / could have done better this season but I kind of like the old phrase ‘Shoot for the moon as even if you fail you will land among the stars’.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Jag

[Jag]

Archie's first game, we were second in the league and eight points behind Morton. Any Thistle fan at that time who was shown today's league table, and asked if they'd accept that in two years time, would have taken it. Regardless of who the manager was, or whether he was a "club legend". That has nothing to do with it. This is the big picture. There have been ups and downs, good and bad performances, and some really frustrating outcomes, no doubt. And Hamilton may have surpassed us (for now). But in the same period, on the same terms, we have surpassed Morton, Motherwell, St Mirren, Ross County, Hearts and Hibs.

 

But BGM, and the others, can you honestly say that you would not have taken this position two years ago?. If you would have, doesn't the management deserve credit? And if you wouldn't, please try to explain why not.

100% I would have taken this position two years ago, no question. However, as mentioned in my previous post, I see no harm in looking to improve further and I think we have the resources to do so.

 

Am I just being a dreamer?

[JeanieD]

Is it not the case that some of the teams who are now settled and perennial top league sides benefitted greatly from the 1 up 1 down structure that pervaded the self preservationists in the top division for a long long time. It enabled sides to become established without the constant fear of relegation. One out of 12 was, of course a ridiculous failure percentage, but of course, by the same token 2 out of 12 is perhaps not ideal either. Perhaps it is the size of the division that creates the problem?

[allyo]

 

100% I would have taken this position two years ago, no question. However, as mentioned in my previous post, I see no harm in looking to improve further and I think we have the resources to do so.

 

Am I just being a dreamer?

 

I don't disagree. I was really frustrated the other night and I do think that this team is capable of better results. Criticism of individual performances like the other night, such as you have done, is fair enough.

 

Extending this to the conclusion that it means our management team is clueless, or out of its depth, is taking that poor performance (and admittedly some others) out of a wider context in which we have been generally successful. This seems to be the agenda of some posters (not you).

Edited February 1, 2015 by allyo

[Dark Passenger]

I think a few people didn't get the point I was making about established sides, or perhaps I didn't explain it well enough...

 

Clubs are far less likely to be relegated the longer they stay in this league. Players, infrastructure, the whole shebang, it continues to develop as they cement their top-flight status. We finished ahead of two of these clubs last season and currently sit above two of them plus one that's had another couple of seasons in the premiership - that's progress in my eyes.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see us occupy the position Hamilton currently enjoy, but only if some sort of longevity was assured. County? They might have finished in the top six in their first season, but they've struggled ever since. And their attrition rate is horrendous and no doubt extremely costly.

 

Bad results and performances piss me off as much as the next man. I was furious on Friday but thought it better to leave it until the next day to comment to give myself time to calm down and take stock of the bigger picture.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Dark Passenger

[DublinMagyar]

I ******* love Partick Thistle!

[madcapmilkdrinker]

Absolutely but the players need direction from a leader whether that be on or off the park (preferably both).

It was absent from both last night. The manager stood on the touchline arms folded the majority of the time.

 

Just a reminder folks, next time you're in danger of taking a BGM post half seriously remember he thinks that the manager being animated or not on the sidelines affects the results of football games.

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

 

 

Just a reminder folks, next time you're in danger of taking a BGM post half seriously remember he thinks that the manager being animated or not on the sidelines affects the results of football games.

 

Says the mad cap one

Edited February 2, 2015 by Bleeding Gums Murphy

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

I think a few people didn't get the point I was making about established sides, or perhaps I didn't explain it well enough...

 

Clubs are far less likely to be relegated the longer they stay in this league. Players, infrastructure, the whole shebang, it continues to develop as they cement their top-flight status. We finished ahead of two of these clubs last season and currently sit above two of them plus one that's had another couple of seasons in the premiership - that's progress in my eyes.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see us occupy the position Hamilton currently enjoy, but only if some sort of longevity was assured. County? They might have finished in the top six in their first season, but they've struggled ever since. And their attrition rate is horrendous and no doubt extremely costly.

 

Bad results and performances piss me off as much as the next man. I was furious on Friday but thought it better to leave it until the next day to comment to give myself time to calm down and take stock of the bigger picture.

 

County's turnover of players has been shocking & to the detriment of a very good youth system they have up there.

 

St Mirren & Motherwell both have BoDs that have had enough, want out & aren't investing much in their team.

 

Bit like Killie.

 

Then we're sandwiched between them & bottom 3 with fresh investment &, what most would agree, a better squad.

 

The management/players talk up the top 6 so they obviously feel that's achievable.

 

The question once again, why are we in the position we are?

Edited February 2, 2015 by Bleeding Gums Murphy

[potty trained]

County's turnover of players has been shocking & to the detriment of a very good youth system they have up there.

 

St Mirren & Motherwell both have BoDs that have had enough, want out & aren't investing much in their team.

 

Bit like Killie.

 

Then we're sandwiched between them & bottom 3 with fresh investment &, what most would agree, a better squad.

 

The management/players talk up the top 6 so they obviously feel that's achievable.

 

The question once again, why are we in the position we are?

 

When you say aren't investing much, how much are St Mirren, Killie and Motherwell investing in the team?

 

How does it compare to our playing budget?

 

What fresh investment did we receive, how much was it?

 

you seem ITK, with posts like this, so, please share your knowledge.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

County's turnover of players has been shocking & to the detriment of a very good youth system they have up there.

 

St Mirren & Motherwell both have BoDs that have had enough, want out & aren't investing much in their team.

 

Bit like Killie.

 

Then we're sandwiched between them & bottom 3 with fresh investment &, what most would agree, a better squad.

 

The management/players talk up the top 6 so they obviously feel that's achievable.

 

The question once again, why are we in the position we are?

 

Clearly inconsistency has cost us. I'd support that with our relatively favourable goal difference. Think we've only been beaten by more than a one goal margin three times (all away from home). We've won five games with an aggregate score 19-2. Only being selective to show we've been running hot to lukewarm most of the time and only occasionally lukewarm to cold.

A more normal spread of goals and we'd be higher placed. I'm not presenting that as a hard luck story. The three clubs above us all have negative goal difference but I guess without looking they've been able to turn the odd game heading for a draw into a win or one heading for a loss into a draw. That's where we've not been so good.

[Dark Passenger]

Exactly, PT. BGM tiresomely slates people he believes are ITK, and yet he seems to be one of the very few people who know how much Eccleston earns and how much investors have put into our club, as well as the investment (or lack of) made in St. Mirren, Motherwell and Kilmarnock - it's remarkable.

 

Do we have a better squad than St. Mirren, Motherwell and Ross County? Possibly...that's probably why we're ahead of them.

 

Do we have a better squad than Killie? Debatable, but they're only three points ahead of us.

 

That probably explains why we're in the position we're in.

 

BGM, how does Killie, St Mirren, Motherwell and Ross County's financial position compare with ours? Is it possible they've invested equal amounts or even more in their teams than us recently, but that investment has been poorly judged?

 

I mean, Lee Miller couldn't have come cheap. Neither, I imagine, would any of St. Mirren's Man City loanees. County's TWO rebuilding jobs this season. John Sutton might have be an example of a decent investment last season, but how much is his and his teammates run of poor form going to cost Motherwell in the long term?

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

 

 

When you say aren't investing much, how much are St Mirren, Killie and Motherwell investing in the team?

 

How does it compare to our playing budget?

 

What fresh investment did we receive, how much was it?

 

you seem ITK, with posts like this, so, please share your knowledge.

 

You, Dark Pissinger & some others more ITK than me.

 

My dealings with Maxwell more over the phone than face to face but if you wait a while we can have definitive proof when accounts are all released.

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

Exactly, PT. BGM tiresomely slates people he believes are ITK, and yet he seems to be one of the very few people who know how much Eccleston earns and how much investors have put into our club, as well as the investment (or lack of) made in St. Mirren, Motherwell and Kilmarnock - it's remarkable.

 

Do we have a better squad than St. Mirren, Motherwell and Ross County? Possibly...that's probably why we're ahead of them.

 

Do we have a better squad than Killie? Debatable, but they're only three points ahead of us.

 

That probably explains why we're in the position we're in.

 

BGM, how does Killie, St Mirren, Motherwell and Ross County's financial position compare with ours? Is it possible they've invested equal amounts or even more in their teams than us recently, but that investment has been poorly judged?

 

I mean, Lee Miller couldn't have come cheap. Neither, I imagine, would any of St. Mirren's Man City loanees. County's TWO rebuilding jobs this season. John Sutton might have be an example of a decent investment last season, but how much is his and his teammates run of poor form going to cost Motherwell in the long term?

 

Sorry I'm boring you Dark Pissinger. Feel free to use the ignore button or you like Dick?

 

You didn't answer my inverted commas question! 'Cumbernauld' acceptable but 'Alan' isn't? What about other names?

 

Lee Miller stated he wanted up to come back North. Had one offer on the table supposedly unless you're telling us he went to Killie instead of us for more money?

 

Remember also that these clubs are spending money on youth systems.

 

We're not = more money for first team.

 

Man City loanees will be here on next to nothing wages as well you know. Like Mukendi last year with us.

 

Ecclestone on a good wage according to Coventry fans (like Seabourne- check it out with their wage accounts telling you what they paid x amount of players over 12 months). Even you can use google right?

 

He 'supposedly' had offers abroad, (use of inverted commas right there?) & chose to come up here.

 

Now you're ITK. A player moving from down South coming up here, on a reasonable wage down South having played at a reasonable level, no accommodation but on a short term contract...

 

Then there's the folk I talk with. Granted they're not in the directors box or North Stand go to folk but they do put money into the club other than their STs & do tend to know a bit more than even me!!