Doolan - Could This Be Why He Is Dropped So Often?

[angry gaz]

Chris will score 15-20 if we were to give him the ball to feet in the box more

. Lack of an attacking threat from the midfield, as nearly everyone can see, has cost us this season. A rejuvenated Erskine could add 5-6 goals onto Dools tally next season

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Id like to see a real analysis of were and how dools actually scores his goals from and then have the team play to that strength.

Edited April 26, 2016 by angry gaz

[Big Col]

I don't think we need to drastically change the personnel as we have some talented players.

 

It's just that the team are set up too negatively with negative tactics too often.

 

We don't need 2 defensive mids. Back 4, one sitting midfielder, 4 attacking mids, striker. Job done.

 

Amoo, Lawless, Erskine, Edwards, Doolan is a talented attacking group.

[yoda-jag]

If only we'd got a result at Ross county, the progress and achievement of the team would be so much easier to define. We lost out on the early safety of a top 6 place by a couple of goals. Conceding early and failing to capitalise on our superior possession to get a vital score.

 

God knows Archie's tactics for the game have been discussed plenty already. My conclusion... ... you can shuffle the pack all y'want, but if you aint got a full deck yer game's gonnae suffer. We were a baw hair away from clearly and tangibly establishing ourselves as a progressing top flight club.

 

And so, of course, sensible folks like you and me recognise - out of the bottom 6 teams, Dundee are the only ones we've really struggled with all season. The only ones we have not beaten or to have actually beaten us, and only once have they done that by more than the odd goal.

 

The importance of now scrapping for every point and prize penny so that we might have a chance next season to repeat and improve on such a noteable record, should have even the most sluvenly saturday-afternoon-oven-pizza-and-tescos-lager-watchin-sky-sports-results-sound-down-and-joining-in-the-banter-on-the-radio-armchair...... "fan" , summon up the last string vestages of his cholestorol choked pride, look out his scarf and down the side of the sofa for pie money, get his arse to Firhill, practicaly support the club, and sacrifice a little easy comfort or cheap luxury in appreciation of their quite remarkable achievment of having a chance to make the 4th season up better than the 3rd.

 

I'm not so sure "it could have been so much better this season". A different route to the same result, possibly, but it is all speculation, theory and granted, makes for some interesting discussion. Archie has walked the walk, and thus far delivered us to a point where hope remains and some light is visible on the horizon. I can understand some moaning and groaning when he might make the odd bad turning, but we're still heading in the right direction.

 

I dunno... sometime the grumbles on here are like listening to the weans in the back seat of the motor..... "are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet?"

 

............ NAW!!! ... Just shut it and eat yer wotsits!!! ... No ... sorry ... no you Yoda ... your awright ... gonnae tell them wan ay your mad stories about spaceships and fighting 6' talking insects wi' glow sticks or something till we get there.... String it oot a bit... we've still a good bit to go.

 

Know what ah mean?

 

again, some good points you raise and in agreement with many i am ..... think we can safely say this seasons success and shortcomings have been fine margins ..... but not just in one game (where a better result than we achieved in any given game was deserved and would have made a huge difference to how many supporters would view our season), as many of us can point to a substantial number of games where we walked out firhill or away venues feeling "we should have won or drawn that game". that's why on reflection both i and others i go to games with feel it's been a season of progress on some fronts but it could have been better, but that is coupled with strong sense of many of our matches not being entertaining and when you look at number of games we have failed to score or have hardly registered a shot on target the stats back this up.

but football that is. again i revert to my earlier comment that i have positive hope for a better season to come next season, and the hope archie can and will implement and maintain a more pacy attacking and entertaining style of play considering the players he has at his disposal.

as for telling one of my mad stories ..... my stories aren't mad you sweety throwback!!!!! ..... if you want mad stories, pop over to general chat forum and read the flat earth thread for a stream of madness to fry your brain and send your lolometer into overdrive.

 

 

 

The evidence from our time in the premiership is that kris will score around 10-12 goals a season

The real issue is where the other goals come from no evidence yet that pogba will get to that level

And we lack a contribution from midfield

Big issue for next season

 

while technically correct on dools, the stats don't highlight the amount of game time he hasn't been on the park, and who's to say that if he wasn't restricted in starts or taken off in games, he wouldn't score more? in addition, if dools was getting a better service from his teammates, his goalscoring stats would rise too.

no disagreement with your lack of contribution from midfield, a specific i have addressed previously, so over to archie and the players now to address it.

[jagfaelivi]

Angry Gaz's comment about Chris scoring 15 or 20 "if we give him the ball in the box" made me think.

 

Have we EVER this season had bodies in the box? Very seldom I would guess. We have a huge tendency when somebody gets the ball on the wing to meander forwards and never get into a threatening position as a team, leaving the lightweight Chris surrounded by towering defenders. Other teams certainly get bodies in the box and there lies the answer why we don't score more

 

That and our miserable performances from dead ball situations. I saw the stat from the Spurs v WBA match last night, more than one in four of Spurs goals come from dead balls while the Baggies score more than one in three of their goals from free kicks and corners.

 

Anybody know our stat on this front?

 

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

I wrote it off the cuff, but the fundamental point I'm making is maybe best made by expanding a little on the analogy I make with the "weans in the motor".

 

As fans and players we're all in the same car, and trying to get to the same destination. Archie would perhaps be the designated driver.

 

The car represents the club. It's old, and it was recommended as a write off by some experts only 20 or so years ago. It was saved from being crushed at the scrappy not only with sentimental love but with a realisation that some modifications over the years had been more vanity than necessity.

 

Basically it's a kit-car. It wasn't bought from a Ferarri showroom. While roadworthy, taxed and M.O.T.'d, the guys "riding shot-gun" are really looking at third party rather than fully comp.

 

While a modest boast, it is admirable it is still in the rally, never mind the leading pack or keeping up with the leaders.

 

It would be a tragedy if the driver got frustrated, floored it and burnt out the engine or distracted and put in the wrong fuel.

 

We've managed to fix the ol' jalopy up quite well. Picking up pretty decent parts by mostly asking around rather than shopping. Thankfully, not so much scavenging from the scrappy, but we maybe have a few perfectly good factory rejects that aren't quite what we're looking for but might do us a job. This has led to the need to experiment and innovate, maybe having to fix an off-side wing mirror to the near-side, for example, or relying on perfectly good regular tyres when our specialised ones wear oot.

 

I'm pretty sure that with a bit of hard driving, Archie could go for a stage win to try and impress some of his passengers, but it could damage our chances in the race.

 

So... while "are we there yet" is a valid question. I appreciate the frustration. However, if you wanna be part of the team and not simply a passenger, if the answer comes back "no, you'll need to get out and push", then I wouldn't throw scorn on the odd grumble, but a bit of pride in the effort would help.

 

... ... ...

 

I'm not getting at any one person here. And I apologise if it comes across as patronising or an "I'm a better jag than you" rant. That is not my belief or intention.

 

In meeting a couple of part-time jagoes recently, it has come across that their attitude is "if we ain't winning it ain't worth it". I get that, and I'm not advocating mediocrity here.

 

But I think we as fans have to promote the club as much as the current team. Hard sell the full script rather than the present cast.

 

I don't go to every game, but I have been there. I do know how you can overdose on frustration, and with the very best of intentions get too close, obsess about very real and pertinent problems and drive yourself nuts because they never seem to be dealt with.

 

But, --- cliche alert--- There is a bigger picture. My concern is of a "chicken and egg nature" ... What comes first great team or decent crowds?

 

I guess I might be accused of reviving the rallying "Great Glasgow Alternative" shout here. Last time it was really marketed it was an almost last ditch attempt for the city to keep one. Now however, we're a fair distance from that and should be beaming with pride at our achievements, not shamed by our failures or bemoaning our undeniable misgivings, and luring people back to Firhill to be a part of it.

 

 

 

 

Doolan is a centre forward. Even the best probably miss more than they score. Many of the best miss out on silverware. George Best never got play in the World Cup, Gerrard never one the league. Dools ain't the best on the planet and he's missed some sitters. What makes him great and why we love him is because he seems knows this, accepts it, deals with it practically, just keeps plugging away best he can, trying to improve, not always succeeding, but at the very least keeping himself in the frame and giving himself the chance of glory.

 

Could say the embodiment of Partick Thistle over the past 10 years or so. .... I ain't gay or owt .... but if he was a car.... I'd ride him!

 

Edited April 26, 2016 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz

[jlsarmy]

I wrote it off the cuff, but the fundamental point I'm making is maybe best made by expanding a little on the analogy I make with the "weans in the motor".

 

As fans and players we're all in the same car, and trying to get to the same destination. Archie would perhaps be the designated driver.

 

The car represents the club. It's old, and it was recommended as a write off by some experts only 20 or so years ago. It was saved from being crushed at the scrappy not only with sentimental love but with a realisation that some modifications over the years had been more vanity than necessity.

 

Basically it's a kit-car. It wasn't bought from a Ferarri showroom. While roadworthy, taxed and M.O.T.'d, the guys "riding shot-gun" are really looking at third party rather than fully comp.

 

While a modest boast, it is admirable it is still in the rally, never mind the leading pack or keeping up with the leaders.

 

It would be a tragedy if the driver got frustrated, floored it and burnt out the engine or distracted and put in the wrong fuel.

 

We've managed to fix the ol' jalopy up quite well. Picking up pretty decent parts by mostly asking around rather than shopping. Thankfully, not so much scavenging from the scrappy, but we maybe have a few perfectly good factory rejects that aren't quite what we're looking for but might do us a job. This has led to the need to experiment and innovate, maybe having to fix an off-side wing mirror to the near-side, for example, or relying on perfectly good regular tyres when our specialised ones wear oot.

 

I'm pretty sure that with a bit of hard driving, Archie could go for a stage win to try and impress some of his passengers, but it could damage our chances in the race.

 

So... while "are we there yet" is a valid question. I appreciate the frustration. However, if you wanna be part of the team and not simply a passenger, if the answer comes back "no, you'll need to get out and push", then I wouldn't throw scorn on the odd grumble, but a bit of pride in the effort would help.

 

... ... ...

 

I'm not getting at any one person here. And I apologise if it comes across as patronising or an "I'm a better jag than you" rant. That is not my belief or intention.

 

In meeting a couple of part-time jagoes recently, it has come across that their attitude is "if we ain't winning it ain't worth it". I get that, and I'm not advocating mediocrity here.

 

But I think we as fans have to promote the club as much as the current team. Hard sell the full script rather than the present cast.

 

I don't go to every game, but I have been there. I do know how you can overdose on frustration, and with the very best of intentions get too close, obsess about very real and pertinent problems and drive yourself nuts because they never seem to be dealt with.

 

But, --- cliche alert--- There is a bigger picture. My concern is of a "chicken and egg nature" ... What comes first great team or decent crowds?

 

I guess I might be accused of reviving the rallying "Great Glasgow Alternative" shout here. Last time it was really marketed it was an almost last ditch attempt for the city to keep one. Now however, we're a fair distance from that and should be beaming with pride at our achievements, not shamed by our failures or bemoaning our undeniable misgivings, and luring people back to Firhill to be a part of it.

 

 

 

 

Doolan is a centre forward. Even the best probably miss more than they score. Many of the best miss out on silverware. George Best never got play in the World Cup, Gerrard never one the league. Dools ain't the best on the planet and he's missed some sitters. What makes him great and why we love him is because he seems knows this, accepts it, deals with it practically, just keeps plugging away best he can, trying to improve, not always succeeding, but at the very least keeping himself in the frame and giving himself the chance of glory.

 

Could say the embodiment of Partick Thistle over the past 10 years or so. .... I ain't gay or owt .... but if he was a car.... I'd ride him!

 

Wow , analogy central !!! , not really sure where I stand with all of that.

I'll make it a bit simpler, Doolan is easily the best centre forward we've had in the last 35 years probably since Mo Johnston unless anyone can tell me otherwise.

[Mr Bunny]

Wow , analogy central !!! , not really sure where I stand with all of that.

I'll make it a bit simpler, Doolan is easily the best centre forward we've had in the last 35 years probably since Mo Johnston unless anyone can tell me otherwise.

 

Difficult to say since some of our best forwards in that period never played for us in the top league, Mark Roberts could maybe be a better forward for us but we can't compare because Roberts never played in the top league for us while Doolan who initially didn't seem as good a player in the 1st division, upped his game to become a genuine top division CF. We'll never know if Roberts could have done as well or better.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Mr Bunny

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Difficult to say since some of our best forwards in that period never played for us in the top league, Mark Roberts could maybe be a better forward for us but we can't compare because Roberts never played in the top league for us while Doolan who initially didn't seem as good a player in the 1st division, upped his game to become a genuine top division CF. We'll never know if Roberts could have done as well or better.

 

When he was at his peak with us I think Roberts scored 5 goals in 4 matches against SPL clubs. Tho' as you say you can't really compare like for like Mark's goal tally of 25 in the calendar year 2006 was exceptional. Kris tho' has been at the top of his game for so much longer and playing against harder opposition.

Even so I reckon the Mark Roberts of 2006 vintage would have been a real success in the top league playing just behind Dools.

Edited April 26, 2016 by lady-isobel-barnett

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

We ain't been overly blessed with truly great strikers since MoJo, but we've had a few who could maybe meet or beat Dools with the odd stat...

 

Gerry McCoy scored 20 goals in the first division, Gerry Britton's top flight goals still to be broken? Always felt a little sorry for Colin "dibble" McGlashan that his 18 goals that got us promotion in '92 saw him kinda elbowed out by the king of spain and Geordi, Geordie "great wee engine on him" Shaw, for the top flight charge, ... and a "joker" card I toss in to the game, for the sake of an argument about the rules and making it worthwhile playing , is Colin West ... Loan signing from Chelsea back in the glorious 80's... 10 goals in about half a season... as far as I know did nothing much back south.... oh if only he had a Doolan brain at the time.... what might have been.....

 

Even if there is a serious contender to another "best". If ever there was a player that made the "give a 110%" thing make sense it's Doolan. 100% on the park and no doubt at training, the extra 10% would be his apparent loyalty to the club.

 

Maybe the offer from Barca' is just a rumour, but there is no question Kris could if he wanted, tout himself about for more cash or a "better" club and get a few tugs on the line.

 

Y'getting where I'm coming from now? ... nope? .... right-oh! .....

Edited April 27, 2016 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

 

I've sure i've still got ma kajagoogoo and banarama 7" singles somewhere .... wonder if you can still get those tartan dyed denims or the ones with the cartoon turn-ups? .... they were uber cool!

Edited April 27, 2016 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz

[Yellow & Redneck]

Link to STV Article: Alan Archibald looks to strengthen attacking options for next season.

 

Archibald today has said he will look to strengthen his attacking options. I think if we keep the back line as is for next season we have a really good chance of improving on a fantastic defensive record. But I would be interested to know where Archie specifically is looking to strengthen in terms of attacking players. We have Erskine coming in, and I am sure we need another attacking minded central midfielder. But if Archie was to bring in a striker and persist with this one up front tactic, that might keep out Doolan for an extended period of the season again, or conversely any striker coming in would be third choice behind Doolan and Pogba. Hope he's got a few ideas of the kind of player he wants, as it must be said Archibald's attacking acquisitions in recent seasons, and especially the 31st August panic buys like Nathan Eccleston and Henoc Mukendi, leave a lot to be desired.

 

One bit of good news is that John Hughes has said that ICT now don't have the funds to acquire Lawless and Osman.

[Third Lanark]

Link to STV Article: Alan Archibald looks to strengthen attacking options for next season.

 

Archibald today has said he will look to strengthen his attacking options. I think if we keep the back line as is for next season we have a really good chance of improving on a fantastic defensive record. But I would be interested to know where Archie specifically is looking to strengthen in terms of attacking players. We have Erskine coming in, and I am sure we need another attacking minded central midfielder. But if Archie was to bring in a striker and persist with this one up front tactic, that might keep out Doolan for an extended period of the season again, or conversely any striker coming in would be third choice behind Doolan and Pogba. Hope he's got a few ideas of the kind of player he wants, as it must be said Archibald's attacking acquisitions in recent seasons, and especially the 31st August panic buys like Nathan Eccleston and Henoc Mukendi, leave a lot to be desired.

 

One bit of good news is that John Hughes has said that ICT now don't have the funds to acquire Lawless and Osman.

No doubt another daft wind up but someone on pie & bovril said we are in talks with Jason Banton who's a winger/ striker - obviously give the lad a chance providing its not a wind up though wouldnt say his stats suggest he is a prolific goalscorer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Banton

[Yellow & Redneck]

No doubt another daft wind up but someone on pie & bovril said we are in talks with Jason Banton who's a winger/ striker - obviously give the lad a chance providing its not a wind up though wouldnt say his stats suggest he is a prolific goalscorer https://en.wikipedia...ki/Jason_Banton

Oh goody! Another guy who started his career at Liverpool. Funnily enough I noticed he placed in the Liverpool youth system at the same time as Nathan Eccleston and our own David Amoo, so there might be some weight behind it. On first glances, he doesn't look like an improvement on either Erskine or Amoo.