Stats Watch 2016-17

[Jaggernaut]

So interesting!!

[partickthedog]

 

 

Think that would've four or five seasons before that. Sure we finished 5th around that time.

 

Really dredging the memory banks here but am I correct in remembering a last day of the season win over Hibs at Firhill in or around 1977 which meant that we finished 5th and they finished 6th?

[Jaggernaut]

Really dredging the memory banks here but am I correct in remembering a last day of the season win over Hibs at Firhill in or around 1977 which meant that we finished 5th and they finished 6th?

 

Good dredging!

 

April 30, 1977: 1-0 (Melrose). Crowd 4,000 (not brilliant!).

 

We finished 5th, Hibs 6th out of 10.

 

Hearts (9th) and Killie (10th) replaced by St Mirren and Clydebank the following season.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

 

 

There was a fair bit of difference between the two newly promoted sides that term.

 

"I'm no a Killie I'm a Jag, thank F*CK".

 

[The Jukebox Rebel]

Scottish Alternative Premiership 2016-17 (Final Table)

 

 

 

Alas, we just fell short of retaining our crown as champions.

 

Only 3 defeats in 21 though, not too shabby.

 

[partickthedog]

Scottish Alternative Premiership 2016-17 (Final Table) Alas, we just fell short of retaining our crown as champions. Only 3 defeats in 21 though, not too shabby.

 

With the old 2 points for a win, as in 1977, we would have been top.

[allyo]

Only one defeat out of 18 against the bottom six. That's really impressive. We were very worthy of top six.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

 

 

29.04.2017 Heart of Midlothian [a] D2-2 (SPFL Premiership - game 34)

ANOTHER RED FOR DEVINE

• For the fifth time in 2016-17's competitive action, Thistle's substitutes bench is one man short. By contrast, all opponents have had a full complement in every game.
  
• Kris Doolan nets for the 8th time in the last 10 League games.
  
• The unfortunate Danny Devine joins Martin Hardie as one of only two Thistle players known to have been sent off in successive months. However, his 55-day time-span between reds is some distance behind Aaron Muirhead's club-record of two reds in five days, set in April, 2013.
  
• Hearts have been awarded 4 penalties against Thistle in the last 7 games between the clubs.
  
• Steven Lawless gets the assist/goal double-whammy, becoming ony the second Thistle player to do so in the League this season, following on from Ade Azeez at Dend Park back in September.
  
• Thistle's run of over 3 years without an away penalty in the League is now just one short of what's thought to be the club-record run of 62 games set over 100 years ago.
  

 

07.05.2017 Rangers [h] L1-2 (SPFL Premiership - game 35)

A RECORD LOSING RUN

• Kris Doolan has scored 9 times in the last 11 League games, arguably his greatest scoring streak in Thistle colours.
  
• The number nine has now scored in each of Thistle's last 7 post-split matches.
  
• Remarkably, Thistle have kept a first-half clean-sheet 12 times in the last 13 League games.
  
• For the first time in history, Thistle lose a 14th consecutive League match against Rangers.
  
• Thistle are now 22 League games without a win against Rangers, a joint-record in the H2H.
  
• Thistle are now 26 games without a win versus Rangers, currently our longest winless streak against any side in competitive action.
  
• Thistle will finish 2016-17 as the only side to lose every game against Rangers in this season's Premiership.
  

[Jaggernaut]

That record against sevco is truly demoralising. What is our problem?

[The Jukebox Rebel]

 

13.05.2017 St Johnstone [a] L0-1 (SPFL Premiership - game 36)

PENALTY RECORD LOOMS

• Thistle equal what's thought to be the 103-year-old club-record of 62 away League games without a penalty award. To celebrate, they concede their 3rd penalty in the last 4 away League games.
  
• These clubs have now played 9 competitive games without a draw, 17th January 2015 to date. This matches the H2H record run of 9, set between 1969-1972.
  
• Remarkably, Thistle's last 8 defeats against St Johnstone have all been to nil.
  
• Ade Azeez (44/44) is on course to become the first player since Scott Boyd (42/42 in 2006-07) to have a 100% competitive appearance record for the season.
  

[allyo]

Third stat doesn't really surprise me at all. Whenever we lose the first goal to St Johnstone it's pretty much game over.

But the fourth one!... Fair play, I think he's been an asset, but I'd never have guessed that he's played in every game.

[Jaggernaut]

 

13.05.2017 St Johnstone [a] L0-1 (SPFL Premiership - game 36)

PENALTY RECORD LOOMS

• Thistle equal what's thought to be the 103-year-old club-record of 62 away League games without a penalty award. To celebrate, they concede their 3rd penalty in the last 4 away League games.
  
• These clubs have now played 9 competitive games without a draw, 17th January 2015 to date. This matches the H2H record run of 9, set between 1969-1972.
  
• Remarkably, Thistle's last 8 defeats against St Johnstone have all been to nil.
  
• Ade Azeez (44/44) is on course to become the first player since Scott Boyd (42/42 in 2006-07) to have a 100% competitive appearance record for the season.
  

We should not have released Scott Boyd.

[allyo]

Late season complacency or quirk of fate..?

 

By my reckoning Thistle under Archie have never won a game after the season's main objective has been achieved. That's now running at twelve games over five seasons, as follows:

Draw with Dunfermline 2013

Draw with Dumbarton 2013

Defeat to Ross County 2014

Draw with Hamilton 2015

Defeat to Kilmarnock 2015

Draw with Motherwell 2015

Draw with Dundee United 2016

Draw with Hamilton 2016

Defeat to Them 2017

Draw with Hearts 2017

Defeat to Them again 2017

Defeat to St Johnstone 2017

 

To make it weirder, I reckon we've been ahead in at least half of these games.

 

To make it weirder still, in every season, the game immediately preceding these, in which we have achieved our main objective, has been a confident win.

2-0 over Falkirk

4-2 over Hearts

3-0 over St Mirren

2-0 over Kilmarnock

1-0 over Motherwell

So it's not like we were ever limping over the line.

 

It's just a stat. I'm not being critical; if you're ever going to have a bad record then best to have it in these games. And the key thing is that the objective has always been achieved. Maybe it's a mark of the intensity required to achieve these objectives, that we run out of steam afterwards. Or maybe the players just like to go in holiday early. Who knows. I just think it's interesting.

 

Odds would be on us extending the run to 14 games this week. But wouldn't it be nice to break the sequence and finish a brilliant season on a real high.

 

 

[partickthedog]

Late season complacency or quirk of fate..?

 

By my reckoning Thistle under Archie have never won a game after the season's main objective has been achieved. That's now running at twelve games over five seasons, as follows:

Draw with Dunfermline 2013

Draw with Dumbarton 2013

Defeat to Ross County 2014

Draw with Hamilton 2015

Defeat to Kilmarnock 2015

Draw with Motherwell 2015

Draw with Dundee United 2016

Draw with Hamilton 2016

Defeat to Them 2017

Draw with Hearts 2017

Defeat to Them again 2017

Defeat to St Johnstone 2017

 

To make it weirder, I reckon we've been ahead in at least half of these games.

 

To make it weirder still, in every season, the game immediately preceding these, in which we have achieved our main objective, has been a confident win.

2-0 over Falkirk

4-2 over Hearts

3-0 over St Mirren

2-0 over Kilmarnock

1-0 over Motherwell

So it's not like we were ever limping over the line.

 

It's just a stat. I'm not being critical; if you're ever going to have a bad record then best to have it in these games. And the key thing is that the objective has always been achieved. Maybe it's a mark of the intensity required to achieve these objectives, that we run out of steam afterwards. Or maybe the players just like to go in holiday early. Who knows. I just think it's interesting.

 

Odds would be on us extending the run to 14 games this week. But wouldn't it be nice to break the sequence and finish a brilliant season on a real high.

 

 

We must have been setting our targets too low.

 

I promise not to moan too much if we lose a couple of games after clinching next season's Premiership title.

 

 

[Lenziejag]

What should next season's target be - top 6 again, 4th/5th or Europe. Or should it just be staying in the division

[Sivad]

Taking the foot off the pedal is fairly common for all teams. Thistle's last OF victory was against a Rangers team that had already won the league. Unfortunately, Celtic have something to play for tonight.

 

This is where timing of fixtures is important. As a result of Hamilton's apparently unlucky defeat at Dingwall on Tuesday, Dundee went into last night's fixture knowing they are safe. Predictably, they lost to Inverness, putting Hamilton at risk of automatic relegation. As both Hamilton and Inverness play at home against opponents on holiday on Saturday, they can both be expected to win, so Inverness will finish bottom.

[allyo]

I suppose this is true Most of the teams who have beaten us in these games have had more to play for

[The Jukebox Rebel]

By my reckoning Thistle under Archie have never won a game after the season's main objective has been achieved. That's now running at twelve games over five seasons

And so, almost inevitably, we stumble on to 14...

 

 

 

 

 

18.05.2017 Celtic [h] L0-5 (SPFL Premiership - game 37)

RECORD LOSING RUN CONTINUES

• For the third time in his Thistle career, 'keeper Tomáš Černý has to retire, injured, in a competitive fixture.
  
• Sub 'keeper Mark Ridgers makes his competitive debut and becomes the 27th player to feature in competitive action this term.
  
• Thistle suffer a 13th consecutive home League defeat to Celtic (11.11.1995 to date), our longest such run against any team in history.
  
• Thistle suffer their biggest League defeat since a 0-6 home loss to Gretna back in September, 2006.
  
• For the first time this season, Thistle's comepetitive goal difference goes minus, with 53 goals for and 54 goals against.
  
• For the fifth time in competitive action this term, there are no yellow cards in the match.
  

 

21.05.2017 Aberdeen [h] L0-6 (SPFL Premiership - game 38)

A RECORD END-OF-SEASON HOME LOSS

• For only the third time ever, Thistle's bench is two men short of the permitted allocation of seven. In total, there have been 7 shortages for Thistle in that department this term, in stark contrast to our opponents who have been complete every time.
  
• Ross Fleming (17) and Callum Wilson (17) appear on a teamsheet at first-team level for the first time, bringing Thistle's season-total to 35 players to feature in competitive match-day squads.
  
• Ade Azeez (46/46) becomes the first player since Scott Boyd (42/42 in 2006-07) to have a 100% competitive appearance record for the season.
  
• In competitive action, Ade has been involved in 40 substitutions this term, smashing the previous record of 37 held by Kris Doolan in 2012-13.
  
• David Amoo is the only Thistle player to have suffered the ignominy of being "hooked" in the first half this season, and does so for the second time, following on from a similar occurrence at Tannadice in August.
  
• In the 30th minute, debutant Ross Fleming (born 9 August 1999) takes over from Ian Stokes as the most recently born player to see action in the Thistle first team.
  
• Thistle's concession of 5 first-half goals matches the highest tally ever seen at Firhill. It's our heaviest half-time deficit since we similarly trailed by 5 to nil at home to Hibernian in December, 1959.
  
• In the 68th minute, Mark Lamont (19) makes his first-team debut.
  
• In the 78th minute, Neil McLaughlin (18) makes his second competitive appearance almost 2 years to the day since he first did so in an end-of-season encounter at Fir Park. He becomes the 30th and final player to make an appearance in competitive action this term.
  
• Stand-in 'keeper Mark Ridgers will leave Firhill with a shocking personal record, having conceded 12 goals in 180 minutes in the "All Games" category. Ridgers, who conceded within 60 seconds of his debut, can lay claim, statistically, to equalling the worst opening 180 minutes on record, Peter Thomson having conceded 12 in his opening 180 minutes back in August, 1898.
  
• The 6 goal losing margin equals the club's worst-ever end-of-season result, and is the worst since a 1-7 loss at Kilbowie in May, 1991.
  
• The result stands outright as Thistle's all-time heaviest home defeat in a season closer.
  
• For the first time ever in competitive action, Thistle make it 5 consecutive home losses to Aberdeen.
  

Edited May 22, 2017 by The Jukebox Rebel

[BowenBoys]

Grim. Thanks TJR

[G SUS]

• In the 30th minute, debutant Ross Fleming (born 19 August 1999) takes over from Ian Stokes as the most recently born player to see action in the Thistle first team.
  
• In the 78th minute, Neil McLaughlin (19) makes his second competitive appearance almost 3 years to the day since he first did so in an end-of-season encounter at Fir Park. He becomes the 30th and final player to make an appearance in competitive action this term.
  

 

Your date of birth for Ross Fleming is wrong.

 

Neil McLaughlin is only 18. He doesn't turn 19 until November. and it was only 2 years ago since he made his debut - May 2015. Must be one of the longest gaps between first and second appearances for the club.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

Your date of birth for Ross Fleming is wrong.

Neil McLaughlin is only 18. He doesn't turn 19 until November. and it was only 2 years ago since he made his debut - May 2015. Must be one of the longest gaps between first and second appearances for the club.

Indeed. My DB is all good, just been a bit hasty/clumsy with transferring it to the page on this occasion. Post #118 now amended.

[allyo]

Don't know if it's something you have access to, but I'd be really interested to see statistics on the percentage of positions filled by players over 30, over the last few of seasons. So, say, 13/14 positions per game (starting 11 plus subs), approx 45 games, about 600 positions per season. How many?

 

I reckon it must be very low. Cerny is over 30. Doolan and Erskine both just reached it recently, but not many others.

 

Even lower if limited to outfield players.

Edited May 24, 2017 by allyo

[The Jukebox Rebel]

I can't believe nobody's answered this yet

 

 

 

Under the Arch we've played 189 competitive matches, resulting in 2,574 appearances, 495 of which were from the bench.

 

96 (3.7%) were teens

1,294 (50.3%) were in the 20-24 bracket

941 (36.6%) were in the 25-29 bracket

243 (9.4%) were over 30.

 

 

 

Youngest appearance:

Neil McLaughlin @ 16y, 6m, 17d

23.05.2015 Motherwell [a] D0-0 (SPFL Premiership - game 38)

 

Oldest appearance:

Paul Gallacher @ 36y, 2m, 22d

07.11.2015 Dundee [a] D1-1 (SPFL Premiership - game 14)

 

Average appearance:

25y, 1m, 21d

 

Youngest starting eleven:

22y, 1m, 7d

04.05.2013 Dumbarton [a] D0-0 (SFL First Division - game 36)

 

Oldest starting eleven:

27y, 5m, 10d

21.01.2017 Formartine United [h] W4-0 (Scottish Cup 4th Round)

 

Average starting eleven:

25y, 3m, 27d

 

 

Neil McLaughlin has been the only 16-year-old to appear. There have been four 17-year-olds: Jordan Leyden, Liam Lindsay, James Penrice and Ross Fleming.

 

In total, there have been 13 "past the first flush of youth" shall we say, namely: Hugh Murray, Steven Craig, Andy Dowie, Mark Kerr, Paul Gallacher, Lee Mair, Ryan Stevenson, Tomáš Cerný, David Crawford, Thorsten Stuckmann, Kris Doolan, Chris Erskine and, most recently, Abdul Osman.

Edited May 25, 2017 by The Jukebox Rebel

[jaggy]

i assume this : 41 (36.6%) were in the 25-29 bracket : is missing a number 8 or 9?

[The Jukebox Rebel]

i assume this : 41 (36.6%) were in the 25-29 bracket : is missing a number 8 or 9?

Ha, beat you to it by a nanasecond