Hamilton Academical 🔴⚪️ vs Partick Thistle 🔴 🟡

[Barney Rubble]

Jeezuz wept JJ.

Please give it a rest.

Every week you come up with the same circular rhetoric. 

Constantly repeating the same stuff on numerous threads that is patiently rebutted by fellow posters with the appropriate inside knowledge has stopped being tedious and has become downright annoying.

At the risk of once again appearing harsh, please take time off from constantly posting your conspiracy theories on multiple threads, and instead invest some time in studying basic grammar. Once you've mastered that, then maybe consider a debating skills course. Both would go some way to making your contributions more palatable.

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

19 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Jeezuz wept JJ.

Please give it a rest.

Every week you come up with the same circular rhetoric. 

Constantly repeating the same stuff on numerous threads that is patiently rebutted by fellow posters with the appropriate inside knowledge has stopped being tedious and has become downright annoying.

At the risk of once again appearing harsh, please take time off from constantly posting your conspiracy theories on multiple threads, and instead invest some time in studying basic grammar. Once you've mastered that, then maybe consider a debating skills course. Both would go some way to making your contributions more palatable.

 

Thank for your advise - you have the option of not reading my posts if your so annoyed

I would hate to be the cause of your angst - posting stuff about Thistle on a Thistle Forum 

If you bothered to read what I said there were no “ conspiracy theories” I was discussing our Football Management Structure and Set Up and its impact on results on a Saturday 

[Lenziejag]

11 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Really - so McCall as Football Director could have not have found another  Steven Dobie who played in the English Premier or a Lawrance Shankland who played for Scotland - none of these type of Players would have taken there chances against a 36 year Old Striker - instead the Board ( supported by the Trusts)  choose the Womans Team over PTFC founded 1876 

Are you really saying that Money - Chances of Promotion - Coaching Set Up - General Club Culture do not influence Players Signing ? It was simply down to we had a Striker & Dools wont Change Him " 

So its all Dools Fault - we can then sack him - carry on as we are 

Just as McCall was getting blamed from people in the Club for "overspending his budget " and creating the large Debt - this time the Debt will be Dools fault  

As a Manager he carries the Can - that's how it goes 

But a "Football Committee" who hasn't said - wait a minute we need someone dedicated to recruitment - we need someone dedicated to Strength & Fitness ? So what exactly are they discussing - Let Me Guess 

Lambie the supposed "Old Skool" employed International Athletes as Strength & Condition Coaches 

Jock Wallace - Gullane - Low Impact - Injury Free Fitness & Strength Running Up Sand Dunes 

But we are failing because " Dools will only play one Striker " and we couldn't recruit another one 

Aye No Bother 

Place is a shambles - the Off Park is now impacting on the On Park  

   

 

It’s really working for McCall at Clyde right now. 

[scotty]

8 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Thank for your advise - you have the option of not reading my posts if your so annoyed

I would hate to be the cause of your angst - posting stuff about Thistle on a Thistle Forum 

If you bothered to read what I said there were no “ conspiracy theories” I was discussing our Football Management Structure and Set Up and its impact on results on a Saturday 

Why not start a seperate thread? Then all your points can be made and answered if people wish to engage. When you hi-jack a thread you force people who are wishing to engage on that subject to read your point of view which often quickly veers away from whatever is being discussed. Or maybe that is your intention?

[Jordanhill Jag]

2 hours ago, Lenziejag said:

It’s really working for McCall at Clyde right now. 

Lets get back to the original statement - PTFC struggle with Recruitment and Spotting Talented Players from lower levels - no one would ever dispute this is McCalls Area of Strength -and his signings we benefited from for a couple of Seasons after he left 

There was a proposal that rather than pay him to sit in the House doing nothing- after he was replaced as Manager that a Director of Football role was created - Recruitment being part of that 

It was rejected as any future Director of Football would have the remit to recruit for the Woman's Team -and under No Circumstances would McCall be considered for the Mens / Woman's Football Director 

That means that the proposal was not considered on its Football Merits - the Woman's Team -have equal status in Footballing Terms and priorities as PTFC 1876 

Now people can try and deflect - McCall is a mate blah blah -,but in an area we are very weak on - we had a potential solution that for circa 6 Months did not cost us any money ( as we were paying him anyway) it was rejected because it did not fit in with the integration plans of PTWFC and PTFC ( which the New GM confirmed was ongoing ) 

Now Fans may think thats the future - fair enough - but do not expect success or promotion  if integration of PTWFC is more important than competing on the Park 

As for how McCall is doing at Clyde - we have the largest player budget since we were in the Premier - Clyde stayed in the League Structure on the last Game of the last Season 

Clyde in essence knocked us out of the Cup -it was embarrassing 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

2 hours ago, Lenziejag said:

It’s really working for McCall at Clyde right now. 

Mirroring us in a way. Assembled what looked like a very competitive squad. Strongly fancied for the title but find themselves way behind the league leaders and currently placed nearer to bottom of table. In fact "mirroring" might be the wrong word as they were I believe stronger favourites for title and results are more disappointing than ours.

Btw I'm neither against the director of football/head coach route nor for that matter anti McCall, if that position arose. But certainly he's currently not doing anything of note.

[scotty]

30 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

 

There was a proposal that rather than pay him to sit in the House doing nothing- after he was replaced as Manager that a Director of Football role was created - Recruitment being part of that 

It was rejected as any future Director of Football would have the remit to recruit for the Woman's Team -and under No Circumstances would McCall be considered for the Mens / Woman's Football Director 

That means that the proposal was not considered on its Football Merits - the Woman's Team -have equal status in Footballing Terms and priorities as PTFC 1876 

 

So, who told you this?

[Tom Hosie]

42 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

 

Now Fans may think thats the future - fair enough - but do not expect success or promotion  if integration of PTWFC is more important than competing on the Park 

How I can be polite in responding to this? I can't. 

This is bullshit. Complete and utter horseshit. Or any other kind of shit that you can think of. 

Please shut up about stuff you know nothing about. 

The operation of PTWFC is overseen by a committee/board. I know this as a fact as I sit on it albeit, in the interests of full disclosure, taking a sabbatical at present. 

The overlap between the PTWFC Board and Main Club Board extends to one individual who I would imagine updates the Main Club Board on anything PTWFC related. 

PTWFC has no impact on how the men's team perform on the park. Or vice versa

It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise

Equally as ludicrous is the suggestion that integration of PTWFC is more important than performances of the men's team. 

It's a notion that you have made up from the dark recesses of your imagination no amount of 'ah, buts' that you troll us with alter that fact. 

Please, please stop interpreting things to suit your position and presenting them as fact. 

 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Lets get back to the original statement - PTFC struggle with Recruitment and Spotting Talented Players from lower levels - no one would ever dispute this is McCalls Area of Strength -and his signings we benefited from for a couple of Seasons after he left 

There was a proposal that rather than pay him to sit in the House doing nothing- after he was replaced as Manager that a Director of Football role was created - Recruitment being part of that 

It was rejected as any future Director of Football would have the remit to recruit for the Woman's Team -and under No Circumstances would McCall be considered for the Mens / Woman's Football Director 

That means that the proposal was not considered on its Football Merits - the Woman's Team -have equal status in Footballing Terms and priorities as PTFC 1876 

Now people can try and deflect - McCall is a mate blah blah -,but in an area we are very weak on - we had a potential solution that for circa 6 Months did not cost us any money ( as we were paying him anyway) it was rejected because it did not fit in with the integration plans of PTWFC and PTFC ( which the New GM confirmed was ongoing ) 

Now Fans may think thats the future - fair enough - but do not expect success or promotion  if integration of PTWFC is more important than competing on the Park 

As for how McCall is doing at Clyde - we have the largest player budget since we were in the Premier - Clyde stayed in the League Structure on the last Game of the last Season 

Clyde in essence knocked us out of the Cup -it was embarrassing 

You conveniently forget that your mate also signed some complete duds. I was never convinced about the hype over his signings, so that “no one” statement is an absolute lie.

[Jordanhill Jag]

8 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

How I can be polite in responding to this? I can't. 

This is bullshit. Complete and utter horseshit. Or any other kind of shit that you can think of. 

Please shut up about stuff you know nothing about. 

The operation of PTWFC is overseen by a committee/board. I know this as a fact as I sit on it albeit, in the interests of full disclosure, taking a sabbatical at present. 

The overlap between the PTWFC Board and Main Club Board extends to one individual who I would imagine updates the Main Club Board on anything PTWFC related. 

PTWFC has no impact on how the men's team perform on the park. Or vice versa

It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise

Equally as ludicrous is the suggestion that integration of PTWFC is more important than performances of the men's team. 

It's a notion that you have made up from the dark recesses of your imagination no amount of 'ah, buts' that you troll us with alter that fact. 

Please, please stop interpreting things to suit your position and presenting them as fact. 

 

 

From a TJF Board Member 

"we would expect to see a Director of Football at the Club, actually responsible for the recruitment of both the men’s and women’s teams." 

From the Club General Manager 

"The Integration of the Woman's Team continues " 

If its "Bullshit" take it up with them not me  

I've Freely admitted that if any Future Director of Football is to be responsible for recruitment for both the Men's & Woman's Teams then McCall would not have been suitable for that role 

As for having a Director on the Club Board who crosses over from PTFC to PTWFC - if they are separate organisations as you suggest - not sure why this is required 

I look forwards to someone advising who is on the Club Football Committee and what is there remit 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Clyde in essence knocked us out of the Cup -it was embarrassing 

Hold the front page …..

Jordanhill Jag in true statement shocker !!!!

[Jordanhill Jag]

3 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

You conveniently forget that your mate also signed some complete duds. I was never convinced about the hype over his signings, so that “no one” statement is an absolute lie.

Agreed - but his hit rate was above average -and he found Dobie & Strickland - as we were paying him anyway it was not a bad idea 

[Tom Hosie]

3 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Agreed - but his hit rate was above average -and he found Dobie & Strickland - as we were paying him anyway it was not a bad idea 

He didn't 'find' Dobie. He had been at Rangers and Hibs, among others, prior to signing for QoS. 

Strickland. Do you mean Shankland? He didn't 'find' him either. He had been at Queen's Park and Aberdeen, prior to signing for Ayr. 

Your posts need fact checked. 

[Tom Hosie]

54 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

From a TJF Board 

"The Integration of the Woman's Team continues " 

If its "Bullshit" take it up with them not me  

As for having a Director on the Club Board who crosses over from PTFC to PTWFC - if they are separate organisations as you suggest - not sure why this 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your responses when shown to be incorrect are remarkably consistent. 'ah but and here's an unrelated point'. 

What is bullshit is your statement that the integration of PTWFC is more important than the men's teams results. 

Your statement is bullshit. That's why I took it up with you. You said it. 

The director who sits on both boards sat on the PTWFC Board prior to sitting on the Main Board. It makes sense surely, even to you, that they report on PTWFC activities among their other duties. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:30 AM by Tom Hosie

[lady-isobel-barnett]

This fact checking business is a doddle.

 

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

14 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

Your responses wheb to be shown to be incorrect are remarkably consistent. 'ah but and here's an unrelated point'. 

What ie bullshit is your statement that the integration PTWFC is more important than the men's teams results. 

Your statement is bullshit. That's why I took it up with you. You said it. 

The director who sits on both boards sat on the PTWFC Board prior to sitting on the Main Board. It makes sense surely, even to you, that they report on PTWFC activities among their other duties. 

"we would expect to see a Director of Football at the Club, actually responsible for the recruitment of both the men’s and women’s teams." 

Now this is in essence a true reflection of how things stand 

A Director of Football for a Professional Football Team should have ZERO input on any level to an Amateur Woman's Football Team never mind recruitment - for it even to be considered is complete and utter nonsense 

Therefore please stop stating that there is no "integration " because there is - and its Club Policy ( as confirmed by the GM )-  and as part of that Integration-  it impacts on our ability to focus on Partick Thistle FC - because decisions will be made taking into account both PTFC & PTWFC

eg Remit for a Director of Football - Recruitment Director - whatever Title you wish -  will be for BOTH PTFC & PTWFC - a Professional Football Team AND an Amateur Woman's Team

So they are not unrelated nor are they "BullShit "

If Integration is what TJF - The Club Board etc etc all want - state that - set up the Structure - be open-  and we get what we get at Firhill on a Saturday & the Finances are what they are - but you cant be both a Competitive Professional Club in the Scottish Championship with the limited Revenues and cater for an Amateur Woman's Team within your structure - and be successful - You simply cant-  its not a set up that is sustainable    

You want more Fans - You want more Commercial Revenue to the Club - Win Games - you want a future Woman's Team supported by PTFC  - get Promoted - get Top Six then look at it 

Until then - concentrate on the day job 

 

 

 

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

40 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

He didn't 'find' Dobie. He had been at Rangers and Hibs, among others, prior to signing for QoS. 

Strickland. Do you mean Shankland? He didn't 'find' him either. He had been at Queen's Park and Aberdeen, prior to signing for Ayr. 

Your posts need fact checked. 

Dobie was at Dumbarton going no where - McCall relaunched his Career at QOTS - Dobie has stated that publicly - similar with Shankland -Career going downhill until he was signed at Ayr     

He also brought back Bobby Dinnie to the Club - who had great respect for McCall   

 

 

[Tom Hosie]

7 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

"we would expect to see a Director of Football at the Club, actually responsible for the recruitment of both the men’s and women’s teams." 

Now this is in essence a true reflection of how things stand 

A Director of Football for a Professional Football Team should have ZERO input on any level to an Amateur Woman's Football Team never mind recruitment - for it even to be considered is complete and utter nonsense 

Therefore please stop stating that there is no "integration " because there is - and its Club Policy ( as confirmed by the GM )-  and as part of that Integration-  it impacts on our ability to focus on Partick Thistle FC - because decisions will be made taking into account both PTFC & PTWFC

eg Remit for a Director of Football - Recruitment Director - whatever Title you wish -  will be for BOTH PTFC & PTWFC - a Professional Football Team AND an Amateur Woman's Team

So they are not unrelated nor are they "BullShit "

If Integration is what TJF - The Club Board etc etc all want - state that - set up the Structure - be open-  and we get what we get at Firhill on a Saturday & the Finances are what they are - but you cant be both a Competitive Professional Club in the Scottish Championship with the limited Revenues and cater for an Amateur Woman's Team within your structure - and be successful - You simply cant-  its not a set up that is sustainable    

You want more Fans - You want more Commercial Revenue to the Club - Win Games - you want a future Woman's Team supported by PTFC  - get Promoted - get Top Six then look at it 

Until then - concentrate on the day job 

 

 

 

 

Addresses none of the points I made. 

Best ignored. 

[stolenscone]

Do we still have a moderator for the site?

If not, is there some way to make this stop, without also losing the ability to check up on relevant posts?

PLEASE STOP!!! MY EYES ARE BLEEDING.

Edited Wednesday at 12:08 PM by stolenscone
Correct typo

[Jordanhill Jag]

22 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

Addresses none of the points I made. 

Best ignored. 

No Probs 

[Tom Hosie]

To reiterate, for the hard of understanding, the integration of PTWFC is NOT more important than the men's team results. 

Any claim otherwise should be treated as the bullshit it is. Or if you prefer, a lie. 

Someone with honesty who has made that claim you would hope would accept that is nonsense and acknowledge it for the mindless hyberoble it is. 

But they'll likely just make unrelated points in an attempt to deflect. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

5 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

To reiterate, for the hard of understanding, the integration of PTWFC is NOT more important than the men's team results. 

Any claim otherwise should be treated as the bullshit it is. Or if you prefer, a lie. 

Someone with honesty who has made that claim you would hope would accept that is nonsense and acknowledge it for the mindless hyberoble it is. 

But they'll likely just make unrelated points in an attempt to deflect. 

I never said it was more important - I said the integration of the PTWFC into Partick Thistle FC ( which is confirmed Club Policy ) was more important 

The fact that a Key Role Like Recruitment - is seen as an integrated Role between Partick Thistle FC  & PTWFC being the Prime example - to even suggest that a Professional Football Club and an Amateur Woman's Club should have the same person responsible for the recruitment of Players is a nonsense 

No one is denying that Club Policy is integration - so its not Hyperbole - Bullshit nor a Lie 

 

 

 

[Woodstock Jag]

The recruiting infrastructure, process and back-of-house personnel for PTWFC and the men’s team always have been, are, and for the foreseeable future will remain, completely separate. The only links between the two, for any practical purposes, are that:

(a) the two teams share a front-of-shirt sponsor and apparel provider

(b) the men’s team club captain happens also to be the women’s team manager

(c) the Club makes a (relatively modest) five figure contribution to the PTWFC budget each year

(d) one member of the PTWFC committee happens also to be a Club Director and liaises between the two organisations (eg to organise things like a women’s game taking place at Firhill)

(e) the respective media teams coordinate content to promote the whole Club across the different channels to varied audiences

Anyone who suggests that the plan is to merge the footballing functions of the two, or to create a Director of Football responsible for both the women’s and men’s team, is talking complete and utter nonsense.

They might as well claim there is a secret plan to turn Partick Thistle into a hockey club, because there’s about as much truth in that.

[Tom Hosie]

8 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

I never said it was more important - I said the integration of the PTWFC into Partick Thistle FC ( which is confirmed Club Policy ) was more important 

The fact that a Key Role Like Recruitment - is seen as an integrated Role between Partick Thistle FC  & PTWFC being the Prime example - to even suggest that a Professional Football Club and an Amateur Woman's Club should have the same person responsible for the recruitment of Players is a nonsense 

No one is denying that Club Policy is integration - so its not Hyperbole - Bullshit nor a Lie 

 

 

 

You do realise that you have contraindicated yourself in your first sentence. 

The integration of PTWFC is NOT more important than the performances of the men's team. 

It is 100% bullshit to claim the above. 

It's not the Club's stated policy to prioritise the integration of PTWFC over the performances of the men's team. 

Yet you continue to claim it is, knowing it to be false. 

Jordanhill Jag - Citation Required. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

10 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:

The recruiting infrastructure, process and back-of-house personnel for PTWFC and the men’s team always have been, are, and for the foreseeable future will remain, completely separate. The only links between the two, for any practical purposes, are that:

(a) the two teams share a front-of-shirt sponsor and apparel provider

(b) the men’s team club captain happens also to be the women’s team manager

(c) the Club makes a (relatively modest) five figure contribution to the PTWFC budget each year

(d) one member of the PTWFC committee happens also to be a Club Director and liaises between the two organisations (eg to organise things like a women’s game taking place at Firhill)

(e) the respective media teams coordinate content to promote the whole Club across the different channels to varied audiences

Anyone who suggests that the plan is to merge the footballing functions of the two, or to create a Director of Football responsible for both the women’s and men’s team, is talking complete and utter nonsense.

They might as well claim there is a secret plan to turn Partick Thistle into a hockey club, because there’s about as much truth in that.

Statements below 

From yourself as a TJF Board Member 

"we would expect to see a Director of Football at the Club, actually responsible for the recruitment of both the men’s and women’s teams." 

From the Club General Manager 

"The Integration of the Woman's Team continues "