northernsoul Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Yet you felt compelled to share it with everyone. This is a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I see the beginnings of fingerpointing at the McMasters and Norman Springford. Fingers pointed everywhere but at the folk who now determine the direction of the club. The folk who are bankrolling the club because it's a bust. But should this be the case, don't the voting figures suggest a degree of collusion between the two groups (and I appreciate describing them as groups may be over-egging it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Right, just what the hell is going on? I hope Jim Alexander does not object to me mentioning this, but he contacted me on the back of the questions I was asking re. Allan and Beattie's intentions to say he would walk if he got wind of a scheme to make money from the demise of the club. Now, a few weeks later, this seemingly vocal opponent of Prop Co has been voted off the board. What's more, any mention of DB on the Harry Wragg FB page has been wiped from the records. Are certain members of the board holding a gun to the club's head? Allan may be propping us up - how very Dundee FC - but I didn't realise until today that he didn't own any shares in the club. Yet he holds a stake in Prop Co and his employees appear to be responsible for the club's day-to-day management. As McKennan says, it's an extremely tangled web they weave. Perhaps I was asking questions of the right people, just the wrong questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honved Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 We might as well have a game of good guy/w@nk on the subject of the shsreholders and directors. I've been reasonably close to the engine room at Firhell(pun intended) and the best that I can say for them is that they are a shower of arrogant self serving balloons who couldn't run a menage. The fans don't and never will run the club, but very sadly it was too much to hope for that those who had made an arse of it for the last few years would retire gracefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Now this is all conjecture........ If the Trust had provided their support, there would have been enough votes their to guarantee them a place on the board regardless of the views of the current board of directors..... .... but moreso, there would very probably have been enough votes for the old guard to get themselves back whether that's with or without the current board of directors. I do believe that there was sufficient knowledge of the votes being in the bag (including proxies) that the outcome might have been assured. Whether this was made clear to the Trust or not remains to be seen, but you don't canvass support for something on the basis that you're not going to be succesful. Anyway, nothing to beat a good conspiracy theory!! Ok so the same shareholders who vote Jim out would effectively vote the JT in? Shocking. Was thinking if it was a sure thing with or wothout the JT support then the best decision for the JTB to make would be to go with it and get a fan rep into the boardroom (particularly given those left have a particular interest in Propco) for 'the greatest good for the greatest number' but then I understand the point of principle being made by the JTB in rejecting the offer. Worried, confused and a wee bit pi55ed off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Wow. Just imagine how embarrassing it would be should it be revealed that the club's white knights have bunked up with its wicked witches. Just imagine what it would mean for the future of Camelot. This stinks to the high heavens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 We might as well have a game of good guy/w@nk on the subject of the shsreholders and directors. I've been reasonably close to the engine room at Firhell(pun intended) and the best that I can say for them is that they are a shower of arrogant self serving balloons who couldn't run a menage. The fans don't and never will run the club, but very sadly it was too much to hope for that those who had made an arse of it for the last few years would retire gracefully. This fiasco today was probably nothing more than crude revenge from the gang of failures who brought this club so low, but it probably suited everyone in that shocker of a boardroom to get the one genuine believer in fan involvement out the door. The late and occasionally great Red Monkey shared an exchange he had with David Beattie on the working group for the CF/1876 merger. Beattie asked what we wanted. RM said £1 of shares for the fans for every £1 invested in the new scheme. Beattie burst out laughing and said, "But you'd end up owning the club!" RM said, "That's the idea." So you got offered (and took) 10p of shares for every £1 to take the wheels off that wagon from day one. If Beattie ever offers the fans another deal, no matter how he dresses it up, remember what his true instincts are, what he thinks your money is worth compared to someone like his and which failed financial director is whispering in his ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 So you got offered (and took) 10p of shares for every £1 to take the wheels off that wagon from day one. If Beattie ever offers the fans another deal, no matter how he dresses it up, remember what his true instincts are, what he thinks your money is worth compared to someone like his and which failed financial director is whispering in his ear. DU, perhaps you can save this post for the date the "unique" scheme is unveiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 This is a forum. No argument, but you wrote with such certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 But should this be the case, don't the voting figures suggest a degree of collusion between the two groups (and I appreciate describing them as groups may be over-egging it) Yes Allan, there's certain to be collusion/coincidence in voting. However, I get the impression that if we're looking at the politics of our boardroom then we rule out the most obvious doers first. Bankrolling a club doesn't mean a kiss on the foot from the fans. If folk here don't like the fact that Jim Alexander has been booted out and David Beattie had a foot in it, they should not be afraid to say so because he (David) has invested so heavily in the club and has a good PR touch. Of course, David - if it was he and others - may have sound reasons for their actions. The trouble is, we'll probably never find out until one of the parties involved tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Of course, David - if it was he and others - may have sound reasons for their actions. The trouble is, we'll probably never find out until one of the parties involved tell us. Well, indeed. The "we're all in it together" line has limits usually defined by those with control of the pursestrings. Some of us are more "in it together" than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I must confess that I don't understand this - how does Jim not being on the Board help Partick Thistle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I must confess that I don't understand this - how does Jim not being on the Board help Partick Thistle? I don't think it will, but if it's purely came down to the voting of Hughes, McMaster, Springford then I wouldn't imagine that came into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Can any of the Jags Trust honchos around here confirm that it was Beattie and Hughes who asked to meet them to discuss their vote regarding Jim? Sometimes it's hard to tell who's grinding whose organ up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Now on the official site Fitting goodbye for the man who ensured The Shed could stand at every game, brought us the Kids section... kids zone... flag day, wear your colours with pride day. and god knows what else!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Now on the official site Fitting goodbye for the man who ensured The Shed could stand at every game, brought us the Kids section... kids zone... flag day, wear your colours with pride day. and god knows what else!!! Thought they could at least have managed a picture of a knife to support that story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Thought they could at least have managed a picture of a knife to support that story It's still in his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vom Itorium Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I'm disgusted with the way our club has been run, is being run and will no doubt be run until it is in the deck. Anything of note that has appeared at Firhill in recent years seems to have come from JA's input. Where does that leave us now with the PlopCo-Co seeming to be all we have left. I give us two years until we're in the mire and being told it's all OUR fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Sad to see Jim go, one of the good guys for definate. I'm sure that this will not be the last we hear from JJ can someone please paste the facebook material of this onto this. Its bad enough that i've broken my no football forums policy without having to breach my no facebook policy by getting my account reactivated. cheers Edited January 31, 2011 by mrD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incredible Adam Spark Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't think it will, but if it's purely came down to the voting of Hughes, McMaster, Springford then I wouldn't imagine that came into it. And possibly Beattie. Don't forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sad to see Jim go, one of the good guys for definate. I'm sure that this will not be the last we hear from JJ can someone please paste the facebook material of this onto this. Its bad enough that i've broken my no football forums policy without having to breach my no facebook policy by getting my account reactivated. cheers Your edit is noted. I had taken the original as sarcasm of the highest order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 They werent long in removing him from this http://www.ptfc.co.uk/about_us/boardroom Sad day indeed just as things are begining to move on the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 If the figure of 4 million votes against Jim is true then even on the (unsubstantiated but plausible) presumption that Hughes, McMaster and Springford voted against the total would fall about 1 million short. As far as I know, only Prentice, Beattie and the Jags Trust (the latter-most who it seems voted in his favour) could have voted in such a way as to bring the figure comfortably over the 4 million mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 They werent long in removing him from this http://www.ptfc.co.uk/about_us/boardroom Sad day indeed just as things are begining to move on the park I don't think there ever was a Jim Alexander page on the website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 And possibly Beattie. Don't forget that. I don't quite believe that, not yet anyway, but maybe that's just because I don't want to believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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