Guest fredthecheesecloth Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think you are just playing devil's advocate to wind people up. spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Bloody hell! - i got away with murder on Saturday. At half time I returned to my seat with a BOILING CUP OF TEA. When I went to place it on the ground at my seat, it tipped over and the entire BOILING contents cascaded down the stand, causing the people in the two rows in front of me to move. I had no idea this may have been filmed - am I going to have to go in disguise to future home games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Yes of course, everyone can have an opinion. But how worthy is your opinion when you are commenting on an incident that you didn't even see? You accuse me and others of starting a witch hunt. I think it's quite right to point out injustices such as yesterday, because sometimes that's the only way things can get sorted out. I've invited Brian, Europa and the club to give their side of the story. This hasn't happened. In no way whatsoever is this a witch hunt. At a time when we are losing fans by the dozen, to see 3 season ticket holders humiliated and treated like criminals is an absolute tragedy for Partick Thistle. It's because of incidents like these that so many fans are not interested in attending matches anymore. Our game has been sanitised and gentrified to within an inch of it's life. I take your point Ian, I didn't see the incident in question. I don't know how aggrieved you are about this, true. However, that is not and has not been my point about this thread - which has been to say there are two sides to an issue. This isn't a court (much as I'd like that from time to time). I trust you'll get answers from the club/stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Am I going to have to go in disguise to future home games? Will it be a good one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think you are just playing devil's advocate to wind people up. Erm, no. I think I made a point that some folk would much rather ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Yes of course, everyone can have an opinion. But how worthy is your opinion when you are commenting on an incident that you didn't even see? You accuse me and others of starting a witch hunt. I think it's quite right to point out injustices such as yesterday, because sometimes that's the only way things can get sorted out. I've invited Brian, Europa and the club to give their side of the story. This hasn't happened. In no way whatsoever is this a witch hunt. At a time when we are losing fans by the dozen, to see 3 season ticket holders humiliated and treated like criminals is an absolute tragedy for Partick Thistle. It's because of incidents like these that so many fans are not interested in attending matches anymore. Our game has been sanitised and gentrified to within an inch of it's life. Ian, It's my understanding the stewards are not permitted to comment on the forum about such incidents. This may go some way to explain why Brian has not taken up your offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Our game has been sanitised and gentrified to within an inch of it's life. True, but winding up stewards isn't going to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Ian, It's my understanding the stewards are not permitted to comment on the forum about such incidents. This may go some way to explain why Brian has not taken up your offer. Brian was usually on the direct predecessor to this forum asking if anyone had questions after the game, Lenny. That was before the new management arrived. Quite a lot of things are different. I don't recognise half the folk at the club I did five years ago. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 This is the result of outsourcing these services. Less accountability, and a decline the quality of the match day experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 FAO smeatojag and Ruchillnomore [email protected] [email protected] I hope to see you back at Firhill and the Woody for the next home game after everything has calmed down. I'm still in disbelief over the whole incident. The Scottish game and Firhill never seizes to amaze these days with events like these, just when you think it can't get worse. What I want to know is the steward accused these two guys of throwing objects. Now, are they referring to something else, rather than the 50/50 tickets? I didn't see anything being thrown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicofan Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes of course, everyone can have an opinion. But how worthy is your opinion when you are commenting on an incident that you didn't even see? You accuse me and others of starting a witch hunt. I think it's quite right to point out injustices such as yesterday, because sometimes that's the only way things can get sorted out. I've invited Brian, Europa and the club to give their side of the story. This hasn't happened. In no way whatsoever is this a witch hunt. At a time when we are losing fans by the dozen, to see 3 season ticket holders humiliated and treated like criminals is an absolute tragedy for Partick Thistle. It's because of incidents like these that so many fans are not interested in attending matches anymore. Our game has been sanitised and gentrified to within an inch of it's life. Absolutely spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I just thought I would post today after having 24hrs to calm down. I am the other person along with my good friend Smeato Jag who was ejected from the ground for throwing something. As with every version of events there are 2 sides to every story. Obviously I can only give my side of the story and like anything else you will form your own opinion. However when all is said and done I will not be stepping foot inside Firhill again until I have an apology for what I consider to be one of the most embarrasing things ever to happen to me. I was ejected from the ground along with Smeato Jag because we were accused of throwing something. I at this moment in time admit my guilt at throwing my ripped up 50/50 tickets in the air at half time guilty as charged your honour. I also admit to having a pie at half time and throwing the foil tray down at my feet guilty as charged your honour. My son who is 26 and accompanies me to every game also had a pie however was unable to finish it so he threw the pie and the foil tray down at his feet. Smeato Jag never had a pie therefore no foil tray however he did throw the 50/50 tickets guilty as charged your honour. At the end of the game if you have nothing better to do please take time to look for all the other foil trays and 50/50 tickets that have been thrown at fellow supporters feet. I do have 3 season tickets I also purchase many Partck Thistle items from Greaves in support of the club. My son is a Player boot sponsor as well. Alas after yesterdays experience I will not be renewing any season ticket or rushing to help financially in any way with the club. I have been watching Partick Thistle for the last 40 years and have managed to raise my son with that wonderful experience of being a Jags fan however for me its finished I have had enough........... at 46 years of age being escorted out of the ground in front of your own son is one of my lowest experiences I have ever felt in my life. I will be e mailing the club and asking to meet with someone as quickly as possible so that any cctv evidence can be viewed to exactly pinpoint when the supposed offence took place. I would like to also point out that if I am in the wrong in anyway then I will be the first to post on here with an apology to the club. I have always been a passionate Partick Thistle supporter and those who know me would sometimes say too passionate however for me thats it shove your club where the sun dont shine. You are slowly but surely killing our club....thanks I was sitting not too far away from this, but didn't see the incidents - oblivious. Though I did see a lot of people doing what you describe with their 50-50 tickets. If everything is as you state it, and what had happened to you happened to me, I doubt I'd go back even if I did get an apology. I'd definitely never treat the relationship between me and the club as the same. I fully agree that there needs to be standards of behaviour that we all need to adhere to, but there's definitely a growing sense of the default position being that to attend a match at all implies you are a troublemaker. Do we feel like 'valued customers' any more? With any sense that 'they' care about the matchday experience offered to us? Pretty depressing reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Full marks to the club for releasing the cctv footage of the 50/50 ticket incident. There are still some questions to be answered, however. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXXm696UbKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I was sitting not too far away from this, but didn't see the incidents - oblivious. Though I did see a lot of people doing what you describe with their 50-50 tickets. If everything is as you state it, and what had happened to you happened to me, I doubt I'd go back even if I did get an apology. I'd definitely never treat the relationship between me and the club as the same. I fully agree that there needs to be standards of behaviour that we all need to adhere to, but there's definitely a growing sense of the default position being that to attend a match at all implies you are a troublemaker. Do we feel like 'valued customers' any more? With any sense that 'they' care about the matchday experience offered to us? Pretty depressing reading. I think it's important to remember that incidents like these involving stewards have and are happening all over the country. In no way am I meaning to devalue this incident but from someone who was about 10 yards away I think to completely lay the blame on the Club is a tad harsh. Yep, the Club hire these stewards and at the end of the day they're who take responsibility but who many times have you seen a steward on a complete ego trip looking for anything little incident to display their authority? No PTFC official was at the Section 1 when this happened, so there was no dialogue between them, the stewards and these anti sectarian police pricks. The steward was clearly trying to show off in this incident and should never set foot inside Firhill again. When word got around to why these guys had been asked to leave the ground it was said that they had been caught on CCTV. The CCTV camera wasn't even aimed in the direction of where all of this took place. It was aimed towards the Main Stand. You'd think 30 seconds after the two guys were lead away this camera would still be aimed in the direction of where this farcical incident took place. In my opinion, it's how the Club respond and try to compensate these two fans in some way where we can then criticise. Edited March 5, 2012 by northernsoul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm hearing that the CCTV camera at the south end of the JH is now redundant. Apparently the CCTV evidence was obtained via cameras in the main stand. There are people at the club who are (privately) claiming that something was definitely thrown directly at one of the stewards. I know that they'll be reading this forum so let's hear them state this publicly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 We all break rules and in most instances the law -parking fines ,park on a double yellow ,drop litter and even get speeding tickets -the punishment and how the infringement is handled reflects the scale. In a measured and detialed response on how the our Ground is Stewarded and Policed the Stadium Manager from Europa actually gets to the core of the problem without realising it -quoted below "There is a cctv operator who is scanning every seat with powerful zoom lens cameras looking for any sign of trouble" "At todays match some of the police officers were wearing bodycams attached to thier jackets which also record sound. These cameras look set to be a familar sight on more police officers in particular at football grounds so please remember that the laws of the land still apply within football stadiums." Now there is a basic problem with this and its this -its the removal of the basic requirement that the Police have to have "reasonable suspicion that a crime is likely to be committed" this is the thing that differentiates a Democracy from a Police state add in the lack of scale in response to minor rule infringement and you end up with a whole load of angry football fans. If someone had a bottle you turn up with a plastic cup ask them politely to put the contents into it and remove the bottle ,someone chucks a bit of paper (even in anger) you send one person up ask them to refrian yiou dont send three Stewards Supervisors into a highly charged situation and eject them -there are rules yes ,but minor rules you treat them as such. Do I want to pay £17 to have CCTV watching my every move or the Police recording my every word -No I want to support my team -Im a customer NOT a potential criminal I PAY to sit at Firhill I expect common courtesy even if I infringe the rules and a degree of scale in enforcing them I also expect the Policing to reflect the Democratic right of free assembly without interference -the Anti Secterian Unit were at Firhill in force -how does that equate to "reasonable Suspicion" or have we become a hotbed of Secterianism without me noticing. We keep this up Sky Sports in the pub just became that bit more attractive for a whole load of Jags Fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 We all break rules and in most instances the law -parking fines ,park on a double yellow ,drop litter and even get speeding tickets -the punishment and how the infringement is handled reflects the scale. In a measured and detialed response on how the our Ground is Stewarded and Policed the Stadium Manager from Europa actually gets to the core of the problem without realising it -quoted below "There is a cctv operator who is scanning every seat with powerful zoom lens cameras looking for any sign of trouble" --I'D SUGGEST THAT THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. "At todays match some of the police officers were wearing bodycams attached to thier jackets which also record sound. These cameras look set to be a familar sight on more police officers in particular at football grounds so please remember that the laws of the land still apply within football stadiums." --SO WHAT? IS THIS SUPPOSED TO FRIGHTEN PEOPLE? IT'S DEFINITELY NOT TO REASSURE ANYBODY. Now there is a basic problem with this and its this -its the removal of the basic requirement that the Police have to have "reasonable suspicion that a crime is likely to be committed" this is the thing that differentiates a Democracy from a Police state add in the lack of scale in response to minor rule infringement and you end up with a whole load of angry football fans. If someone had a bottle you turn up with a plastic cup ask them politely to put the contents into it and remove the bottle ,someone chucks a bit of paper (even in anger) you send one person up ask them to refrian yiou dont send three Stewards Supervisors into a highly charged situation and eject them -there are rules yes ,but minor rules you treat them as such. --EXACTLY! Do I want to pay £17 to have CCTV watching my every move or the Police recording my every word -No I want to support my team -Im a customer NOT a potential criminal I PAY to sit at Firhill I expect common courtesy even if I infringe the rules and a degree of scale in enforcing them I also expect the Policing to reflect the Democratic right of free assembly without interference -the Anti Secterian Unit were at Firhill in force -how does that equate to "reasonable Suspicion" or have we become a hotbed of Secterianism without me noticing. -EXACTLY, AGAIN. WHAT THE F*** WERE THESE MONKEYS DOING AT FIRHILL ON A SATURDAY??? We keep this up Sky Sports in the pub just became that bit more attractive for a whole load of Jags Fans -YEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Stronach Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 As with all football grounds we need to comply with the Safety at Sports Ground Act as well as our licence conditions from Glasgow City Council, Strathclyde Police, Strathclyde Fire and Rescue and Scottish Ambulance Service. We must comply with our licence conditions otherwise the licence to operate will be withdrawn and we will be unable to host any events at Firhill. There is strict enforcement of the numbers of stewards required dependant on the layout of a stadium. There is also an ongoing training and development program for every steward employed at Firhill. We are not permitted to provide litter bins within the seating area of the stadium at Firhill as this becomes an obstruction in the event of an emergency, therefore the only option available to us is to litter pick the stand after each match. As part of the ground regulations certain articles cannot be brought into a stadium that may be used as a weapon or cause injury to others such as cans, bottles, alcohol and glass. There is a full list of the ground regulations printed and displayed outside each of the turnstile doors and within the concourse areas. The stewards can eject someone from the ground for smoking, bringing in a bottle or can, using cameras or mobile phones to record the event etc however we take a more relaxed approach and ask someone to stop filming or smoking or remove the bottle or can from them. If the person refuses or is a persistent offender or continues after being asked to stop then they will normally be ejected. You will not be ejected from the ground for dropping litter under your seat or for ripping up a 50/50 ticket and throwing it in the air like confetti, however if you start throwing objects such as pie trays, food or drink at other spectators, stewards or players then expect to be ejected from the stadium. Likewise if you are abusive towards other spectators, staff including stewards then expect to be ejected from the stadium. On a matchday the event is controlled from the police control room by the Police Inspector who is the match commander. Within the control room there is a team managing and monitoring the event for everyones safety and enjoyment of the event. There is a cctv operator who is scanning every seat with powerful zoom lens cameras looking for any sign of trouble and when anything is noticed a steward or a police officer will be sent to investigate and deal with as appropriate. The cctv system is continually recording and can be played back and reviewed to check at any future date. The police match commander is in control during the event and it will be his decision that stands. At todays match some of the police officers were wearing bodycams attached to thier jackets which also record sound. These cameras look set to be a familar sight on more police officers in particular at football grounds so please remember that the laws of the land still apply within football stadiums. If anyone feels that they have been treated unfairly by a steward or any member of staff then please contact the club direct and they will review each and every case. This is exactly the kind of response that you would expect from a Dalek. It's bad enough when the police (usually Tayside) abuse their authority to bully and harrass football fans, but when you give an inadequate, unemployable moron a fluorescent jacket, all reason goes out the window. £17 quid to get in, a mud bath/sandpit for a pitch, meaningless, mid-table football against the same teams year after year, awful catering facilities, a bing behind one goal, an empty viagra stand behind the other and a decaying dis-used and once proud main stand and now people being thrown out and humiliated in front of their friends and family for ripping up half-time draw tickets. Has the match day experience at Firhill ever been as bad? No wonder we're struggling to attract two thousand fans to a game. What a sad state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeatojag Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 the club have responded to us both and we are in the process of arranging a meeting with them,thanks for all your support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 the club have responded to us both and we are in the process of arranging a meeting with them,thanks for all your support That's good to hear. I hope it goes well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 That's good to hear. I hope it goes well Seconded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 If we don't hear from you again we'll keep a look out in the canal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Seconded And thirded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicofan Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 the club have responded to us both and we are in the process of arranging a meeting with them,thanks for all your support Take some confetti as an ice breaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOVAN JAG Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Well just to add a bit of atmosphere at our next game at Firhill a few of us have decided to rip up loads of paper and bring lots of toilet roll. When the players come out for the start of the game the tiny bits of ripped paper is getting launched in the air and the bog rolls thrown on the pitch. Everyone is welcome to join in? I wonder if we will all get thrown out as there is eight of us and counting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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