Elginjag Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Sorry if it's been muted before, but why is there even a discussion about Dundee replacing Rangers int the top flight? After all the financial crap Dundee have been involved in, twice is it, in ten years going bankrupt ? and, as stated, they are the 14th best team in Scotland, Dunfermline 12th, talk about falling in the Clyde and coming out with a salmon in your pocket!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beep0608 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Sorry if it's been muted before, but why is there even a discussion about Dundee replacing Rangers int the top flight? After all the financial crap Dundee have been involved in, twice is it, in ten years going bankrupt ? and, as stated, they are the 14th best team in Scotland, Dunfermline 12th, talk about falling in the Clyde and coming out with a salmon in your pocket!! If any of the other teams had thought that 2nd place could lead to the SPL then the end of last season could have been a different matter. Typical. It had to be Dundee...grrr Mind you, the SPL might not be such a promised land just now. Maybe they're welcome to it and I won't miss them a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 If any of the other teams had thought that 2nd place could lead to the SPL then the end of last season could have been a different matter. Typical. It had to be Dundee...grrr Mind you, the SPL might not be such a promised land just now. Maybe they're welcome to it and I won't miss them a bit. Both Falkirk and Dundee were talking about the importance of finishing second months before the season ended saying this might just happen. As for why it is Dundee, Dunfermline played a whole season, were pish and deserved to go down. Plus promoting the second team in our league might set an unlikely precedent so I'm all for them going up. And no matter wehat you think of them they went into adminsitration and came out of it, they certainly didntg cover themselves in glory, particularly the second time, but Rangers have done far far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleveland steamer Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 It's not us, so don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Sorry if it's been muted before, but why is there even a discussion about Dundee replacing Rangers int the top flight? After all the financial crap Dundee have been involved in, twice is it, in ten years going bankrupt ? and, as stated, they are the 14th best team in Scotland, Dunfermline 12th, talk about falling in the Clyde and coming out with a salmon in your pocket!! You're missing the point: having been in Administration twice in under a decade and having to rent Dens Park, they clearly fit the SPL profile: a record of appallingly bad management and utterly compromised. Dunfermline could almost give them a run for their money, also having to rent their stadium and being many millions in debt, but Dundee just pip them I reckon. Football doesn't really matter, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck snort Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Purely on footballing merit it should be Dundee for me. Dunfermline finished bottom, so should be relegated. It's been an anomoly for too long that the Scottish 1st Division is the only league in Europe for which you get nothing for finishing 2nd. Promoting Dundee can rectify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Was there not actually a rule about this? If liquidated during the season, Pars stay up. If liquidated off season Dundee up...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 You know what, that fight ain't over by a long way! More twists to come Monday! Relieved our 'fight' over though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 im in the couldnt care less as its not us group, I would prefer dunfermline to come down as its the closest ground to my house, dundee is one of the furthest,dearest and worst places to go, i cant stand another season of baird scoring against us. theres a gd chance of it being changed again next season and theres a possibility if the TV deal is pulled that you could end up losing more money by the sounds of the SPL chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Was there not actually a rule about this? If liquidated during the season, Pars stay up. If liquidated off season Dundee up...... ?????????????............THERE'S ACTUALLY RULES??????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 ?????????????............THERE'S ACTUALLY RULES??????????? Of course there are! It's just that there's different rules for different clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie Thistle Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Of course there are! It's just that there's different rules for different clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 i quite like an away day to Dunfermline, and not having to put up with The Worst Fans in the World™ coming to Firhill will be a bonus, so i hope Dundee do go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Based purely on how it might affect our chances... Dundee might feel a sense of injustice if denied and use that to galvanise a promotion campaign making them more dangerous opponents. Dunfermline might be totally deflated by effectively being relegated twice. So, much as I despise them for their financial cheating, signing Harkins etc, it might be in our interests to get shot of them to the morally corrupt SPL where they certainly wont feel out of place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Dundee finished second so it should be them. They were punished with a large points deduction the season they were in administration, so that's that. If they had won the league there would be no question about them having been in administration a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Dundee finished second so it should be them. They were punished with a large points deduction the season they were in administration, so that's that. If they had won the league there would be no question about them having been in administration a couple of years ago. Not sure about your last point Twinny. They managed to overspend and get into administration the last time they were in the top division Ravanelli and Cannigia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 A play-off between the Pars and Dundee would be a better solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Leitch Loyal Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Because the SPL have said so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Of course there are! It's just that there's different rules for different clubs. I'm playing all the right notes. Not necessarily in the right order, Sunshine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 A play-off between the Pars and Dundee would be a better solution. No way can you ask players to play that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 The SPL's decision to invite Dundee is wrong. That the promotion to the SPL is only one is the rule. Since Rangers went out, Dunfermline had every right to remain in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 No they don't. Yorkston at Dunfermline keeps pointing to the precedent of Falkirk not going up when their ground was shite and with league reconstruction in 1998. Well in those circumstances the clubs in first place and third place respectively couldn't go up, so you can't promote second/fourth placed teams ahead of them. Back then the decision was clear as the season ended, however this time Dunfermline had already been relegated by the time Rangers died, well after the season's end. I've seen someone somewhere suggest it should be Arbroath and Queen's Park coming up from the second and third as they finished second in those leagues. It seems some people are wanting to make things up as we go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 There was no written rule that covered this eventuality and you could make a case for either Dunfermline or Dundee. The SPL came to a decision that that ends the uncertainty and that is now the prescident. The governing bodies have done enough *****ing around, lets not get on their back when they actually make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm pretty sure this was done so that there will be four Dundee derbies, probably of some value as the SPL try to get a tv deal now that the Old Filth derby is a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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