Jaggernaut Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Packie Bonner's comments about Fox last night got me thinking. I do think that Fox is the best keeper we've had since Craig Nelson (who often worked miracles), and he had three terrific saves in the first half to keep us in it yesterday. But at corners he almost always refuses to leave his goal line, even when the ball comes over in or around the 6-yard box. He seems to accept the fact than an opponent is obstructing him, instead of trying to dodge around and make space that might let him get up for the ball. I've mentioned before that the fat toothless h un Goram used to do the same but usually got away with it because his defenders cleared up just about everything, but we can't count on the same degree of protection. Having said that, Smellyarse was left totally unmarked for his header yesterday; a really poor piece of defending. At least the ICT player last week was challenged, but he just jumped higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Agree with everything, except Nicky Walker was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yes. Foxy needs a mullet. He could also do with being a little more assertive. I'm not confident with any ball that gets launched into our 6 yard box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hansen Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yes. Foxy needs a mullet. He could also do with being a little more assertive. I'm not confident with any ball that gets launched into our 6 yard box. Definitely needs to command his box better although very good in almost every other department Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 It's not that surprising he doesn't do well at corners, the whole team fails at them, Archie and Shaggy have got most other things spot on yet we still suck at corners (defending but also attacking) and we have done for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Anybody else notice that Forster made Fox look like a midget when they passed each other in the centre circle just before kick-off? And Fox isn't a wee punter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I thought Bonner's criticism was at least constructive unlike the ramblings from some of the eejits the BBC can roll out. It goes without saying the standard of delivery we've got to defend from both corners and crosses are of a higher quality than last season. I'd take it further and say there's a really sizeable difference. In most other areas we were way ahead of our competitors last season that we don't seem troubled at all with the step up. It's difficult to be critical of Fox this season because his saves have kept us in games time after time. I would say tho' that Scott can't be described as a domineering goalie in the way that say Rab Douglas or even Kenny Arthur were. He just happens to be better. The problem could lie in the fact that between Balatoni, Muirhead and Fox there is such relative inexperience. Hopefully those three are learning quickly as in all likelihood I don't see Fox ever being the bossy type of keeper. What Scott perhaps lacks in dominance and presence that the bigger goalies have he may gain in agility. eta just read Jaggernaut's post above and that's what I was meaning about Fox's size. He's no midget but..... Edited October 28, 2013 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 We scored about 10 goals from corners last season but apart from that I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 We scored about 10 goals from corners last season but apart from that I agree. And most of those from the Forbes delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 We scored about 10 goals from corners last season but apart from that I agree. Good point, I'd forgotten we pulled our finger out and scored quite a few from corners last season, easy to lose count given just how many we scored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 We scored about 10 goals from corners last season but apart from that I agree. Any so far this season? (I can't remember.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Doolan's at Ross County, Balatoni v Ayr, . . penalty against Hearts came form a corner methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I thought Bonner's criticism was at least constructive unlike the ramblings from some of the eejits the BBC can roll out. Agree with that . I thought Bonner was very good in His assessment of Fox. Im a big Fan of foxy but he's going to have to improve that aspect of his game. Albeit it's another level of Football , it reminds me of when de Gea arrived ayt Man U and was targeted by opposition teams under the cross ball. I read somewhere deGea has put on half a stone in muscle since he arrived and you can see an improvment in his game. I said in a thread before the Celtic game I thought he was falling down to easily under pressure from forwards and expecting the desicion.Areo and Balatoni as well need to get more physical in the air but so much of this is just about gaining experience. We do seem to lose a high percentage of our goals from the cross ball.Time for the goalie coach to start earning his corn too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Pat Bonner was a proper goalie and a gentleman. He knows his stuff and I'm sure the Thistle coaching staff will have picked up the points he was making, if they haven't already addressing them... There's not much wrong with Scotty Fox, and if he improvea in the areas mentioned, he'll be right up there with the very best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 The Fox is an excellent keeper but teams are now targeting him at corners. As someone has said, time he started getting more physical with these guys, like other keepers do. If he sorts that out he won't be far away from attracting Strachans eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Wragg Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Agree with most of whats been said so far and Foxy definitely kept the score down with a few fantastic saves , but surely the best keeper we ever had was Roughie !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted October 28, 2013 Members Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Any so far this season? (I can't remember.) Sunday's goal came after a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Agree with most of whats been said so far and Foxy definitely kept the score down with a few fantastic saves , but surely the best keeper we ever had was Roughie !!! Without even the remotest possibility of a doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 surely the best keeper we ever had was Roughie !!! I don't think anyone has said otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't think anyone has said otherwise. Folk of a certain generation (like my Dad) always put Ledgerwood as a better keeper........ he even scored for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Folk of a certain generation (like my Dad) always put Ledgerwood as a better keeper........ he even scored for us Yes, but nostalgia was much better back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Rough, John Arrol (briefly but very effectively), Nicky Walker, Craig Nelson are the keepers that have impressed me the most - others have, to some degree, flattered to deceive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mencius Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Rough, Niven, Walker, Fox in that order are the best Thistle keepers I have seen. But yes, Fox doesn't really command his box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/393451/How-battered-David-De-Gea-hit-back-to-become-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-s-No1 Think there is a similarity here to a keeper stepping up to a more physical league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) As a keeper, I have to say that I thought Bonnar was talking p*sh in the following regard: Bottom line is that when the attacking team place a player 'on the keeper' it is (more often than not) to obstruct the keeper coming to do their job - under Law 12, two offences are flagged those being (a) the unspecified 'goalkeeper offences' and (b ) impeding a player/obstruction without being in control of the ball. Both of these aspects are picked up further down the examples of the law where: "It is an offence to restrict the movement of a goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him e.g. at the taking of a corner kick" For Bonnar to suggest that Fox somehow builds himself up so he can in some way wrestle his way round one of these obstructing players is nonsense. It's up to the ref and AR to spot these offences and get them flagged - not for Fox to risk selling a penalty. Edited October 28, 2013 by gianlucatoni 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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